New Coal Regulations Will Kill Jobs, Boost Energy Bills

[tonystewart1]

Do you even realize how much more dangerous underground mining is compared to strip mining? You dont because you have never done either. So you think its better for men to crawl on their hands and needs for 12 hours because the top in only 40 inches high or lower. It is safer to set in the cab of a truck for 12 hours and haul 60-100 tons of overburden at a time.

All of these people that you are getting your opinions from have never worked as a miner. Come to WV and get your red hat card and try to go to work. Live with us and struggle with us then see if you can still spout out your ignorance.

Yes the coal industry has devasted some places financailly in the past. That does not work for them anymore. They pay high wages and leave behind beautifully reclaimed areas that are more usable than they where before.

Honestly how would you feel if someone tried to keep you from providing for your family in the name of a better world in the future with no plan on how to feed them in the short term? Something tells me you have no idea what real poverty is. You might see it from time to time but you never lived it. I bet you have never had to make a living by the strength of you back and the sweat of your brow.

I dont blame the coal companies. They paid me and many others enough money to live a real good life and provide a living for my family. The EPA took away the pride I had in working hard and giving my wife and sons the things they deserved and replaced it with a check every two weeks. Yea put me on the government dole and take my job from me; thats real progress.

Well here is the reality. Strip mining is not labor intensive, it is equipment intensive. There will never be enough jobs in that industry. Most state unemployment programs offer retraining and placement services.

You can continue to give the coal companies a pass, but they have always been the miner's worst enemy.

They have owned the state and their government puppets...

The March on Blair Mountain

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This week an important protest is taking place in the coalfields of West Virginia. The March on Blair Mountain began on Monday as several hundred people embarked on a five-day journey retracing the steps of over 10,000 miners who 90 years ago staged the largest armed insurrection after the American Civil War. Today's march is a protest against both the attack of the union movement in America and the demolition of the Appalachian mountains.

Blair Mountain's storied history dates back to West Virginia in the 1920s, when the entire state was a company town. Big Coal dominated every aspect of economic life. The industry owned the shops, the homes, of course the mines -- and made sure there was virtually no other source of employment in the state. Working conditions were horrendous: men and their sons worked 12 to 16 grueling hours in dark, dangerous mines dying from a notorious plague of subsurface explosions, cave-ins and black lung.

The companies used local sheriffs to enforce their system of feudal serfdom. When a miner was injured and his family needed to be evicted from their home, the sheriff did the dirty deed. When union organizers appeared, the sheriff arrested, jailed, and routinely beat them, before escorting them to the county line. One sheriff refused to tow the company line: Sid Hatfield, of Hatfield and McCoy lore.

Not only did Hatfield refuse to do the industry's bidding, but he jailed mine operators for mistreating their workers. In the infamous Matewan gun battle, Hatfield helped kill seven mine company private investigators who had evicted union families from their homes.

Hatfield was never convicted for the Matewan shootings, but the mine operators took their revenge and on August 1, 1921 when industry thugs executed Hatfield in broad daylight on the McDowell county court-house steps.

Hatfield's assassination triggered one of the biggest labor demonstrations in American history. Ten thousand miners from the coalfields of Kentucky and West Virginia marched for six days, converging on Blair Mountain to confront their industry bosses. They were met by King Coal's powerful army of thugs and mowed down by Gatling guns.

President Warren Harding, a so-called "friend of coal," like most of the leading politicians of the Gilded Age, authorized the U.S. army to drop bombs and poison gas on the marching miners -- the only time in American History when our military deliberately bombed U.S. citizens. These military measures broke the demonstration but outraged the public, and gave vital traction to the United Mine Workers and the American labor movement.

Over the next 60 years unions became the critical counterweight to corporate power and the principal platform for the growth of the American middle class, which gave our Democracy its wealth, prosperity, and sense of justice as a core value.

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There you go again. All you are able to do is mindlessly repeat the same old tired liberal lines all over again. Again I ask you. What would you do if your means of providing for you family was take from you with no regard to what you are going to do now.

The science that coal is dangerous is faulty. There are many threads pointing that out. You are just like a parrot repeating what you here. You can not know what its like. You will not ever see things as I do because you refuse to read anything contray to your current point of view.

So all I can say is good luck in life and I hope you grow up and never have to lose your job but if you do I hope someone treats you with more respect than you have treated me.

 

[Bfgrn]

Do you even realize how much more dangerous underground mining is compared to strip mining? You dont because you have never done either. So you think its better for men to crawl on their hands and needs for 12 hours because the top in only 40 inches high or lower. It is safer to set in the cab of a truck for 12 hours and haul 60-100 tons of overburden at a time.

All of these people that you are getting your opinions from have never worked as a miner. Come to WV and get your red hat card and try to go to work. Live with us and struggle with us then see if you can still spout out your ignorance.

Yes the coal industry has devasted some places financailly in the past. That does not work for them anymore. They pay high wages and leave behind beautifully reclaimed areas that are more usable than they where before.

Honestly how would you feel if someone tried to keep you from providing for your family in the name of a better world in the future with no plan on how to feed them in the short term? Something tells me you have no idea what real poverty is. You might see it from time to time but you never lived it. I bet you have never had to make a living by the strength of you back and the sweat of your brow.

I dont blame the coal companies. They paid me and many others enough money to live a real good life and provide a living for my family. The EPA took away the pride I had in working hard and giving my wife and sons the things they deserved and replaced it with a check every two weeks. Yea put me on the government dole and take my job from me; thats real progress.

Well here is the reality. Strip mining is not labor intensive, it is equipment intensive. There will never be enough jobs in that industry. Most state unemployment programs offer retraining and placement services.

You can continue to give the coal companies a pass, but they have always been the miner's worst enemy.

They have owned the state and their government puppets...

The March on Blair Mountain

Excerpts:

This week an important protest is taking place in the coalfields of West Virginia. The March on Blair Mountain began on Monday as several hundred people embarked on a five-day journey retracing the steps of over 10,000 miners who 90 years ago staged the largest armed insurrection after the American Civil War. Today's march is a protest against both the attack of the union movement in America and the demolition of the Appalachian mountains.

Blair Mountain's storied history dates back to West Virginia in the 1920s, when the entire state was a company town. Big Coal dominated every aspect of economic life. The industry owned the shops, the homes, of course the mines -- and made sure there was virtually no other source of employment in the state. Working conditions were horrendous: men and their sons worked 12 to 16 grueling hours in dark, dangerous mines dying from a notorious plague of subsurface explosions, cave-ins and black lung.

The companies used local sheriffs to enforce their system of feudal serfdom. When a miner was injured and his family needed to be evicted from their home, the sheriff did the dirty deed. When union organizers appeared, the sheriff arrested, jailed, and routinely beat them, before escorting them to the county line. One sheriff refused to tow the company line: Sid Hatfield, of Hatfield and McCoy lore.

Not only did Hatfield refuse to do the industry's bidding, but he jailed mine operators for mistreating their workers. In the infamous Matewan gun battle, Hatfield helped kill seven mine company private investigators who had evicted union families from their homes.

Hatfield was never convicted for the Matewan shootings, but the mine operators took their revenge and on August 1, 1921 when industry thugs executed Hatfield in broad daylight on the McDowell county court-house steps.

Hatfield's assassination triggered one of the biggest labor demonstrations in American history. Ten thousand miners from the coalfields of Kentucky and West Virginia marched for six days, converging on Blair Mountain to confront their industry bosses. They were met by King Coal's powerful army of thugs and mowed down by Gatling guns.

President Warren Harding, a so-called "friend of coal," like most of the leading politicians of the Gilded Age, authorized the U.S. army to drop bombs and poison gas on the marching miners -- the only time in American History when our military deliberately bombed U.S. citizens. These military measures broke the demonstration but outraged the public, and gave vital traction to the United Mine Workers and the American labor movement.

Over the next 60 years unions became the critical counterweight to corporate power and the principal platform for the growth of the American middle class, which gave our Democracy its wealth, prosperity, and sense of justice as a core value.

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So what! I have a feeling that the families of the coal miners killed around the world just last year would rather have them back and be engaged in strip mining....what a fool you are.

There is NEVER going to be a hundred thousand jobs in strip mining. It is not a labor intensive operation. If you are an equipment operator, then I suggest you look into the construction field.

I am not unsympathetic to your situation. But open your eyes. If coal is so prosperous, WHY haven't the communities shared in the wealth? That area of the country has always been owned by coal, yet there is no upward mobility or opportunities other that coal. THAT should tell you something. The coal barons are not investing in communities, they are investing in their own wealth. They throw our enough bones to keep the dogs off.

 

[westwall]

Well here is the reality. Strip mining is not labor intensive, it is equipment intensive. There will never be enough jobs in that industry. Most state unemployment programs offer retraining and placement services.

You can continue to give the coal companies a pass, but they have always been the miner's worst enemy.

They have owned the state and their government puppets...

The March on Blair Mountain

Excerpts:

This week an important protest is taking place in the coalfields of West Virginia. The March on Blair Mountain began on Monday as several hundred people embarked on a five-day journey retracing the steps of over 10,000 miners who 90 years ago staged the largest armed insurrection after the American Civil War. Today's march is a protest against both the attack of the union movement in America and the demolition of the Appalachian mountains.

Blair Mountain's storied history dates back to West Virginia in the 1920s, when the entire state was a company town. Big Coal dominated every aspect of economic life. The industry owned the shops, the homes, of course the mines -- and made sure there was virtually no other source of employment in the state. Working conditions were horrendous: men and their sons worked 12 to 16 grueling hours in dark, dangerous mines dying from a notorious plague of subsurface explosions, cave-ins and black lung.

The companies used local sheriffs to enforce their system of feudal serfdom. When a miner was injured and his family needed to be evicted from their home, the sheriff did the dirty deed. When union organizers appeared, the sheriff arrested, jailed, and routinely beat them, before escorting them to the county line. One sheriff refused to tow the company line: Sid Hatfield, of Hatfield and McCoy lore.

Not only did Hatfield refuse to do the industry's bidding, but he jailed mine operators for mistreating their workers. In the infamous Matewan gun battle, Hatfield helped kill seven mine company private investigators who had evicted union families from their homes.

Hatfield was never convicted for the Matewan shootings, but the mine operators took their revenge and on August 1, 1921 when industry thugs executed Hatfield in broad daylight on the McDowell county court-house steps.

Hatfield's assassination triggered one of the biggest labor demonstrations in American history. Ten thousand miners from the coalfields of Kentucky and West Virginia marched for six days, converging on Blair Mountain to confront their industry bosses. They were met by King Coal's powerful army of thugs and mowed down by Gatling guns.

President Warren Harding, a so-called "friend of coal," like most of the leading politicians of the Gilded Age, authorized the U.S. army to drop bombs and poison gas on the marching miners -- the only time in American History when our military deliberately bombed U.S. citizens. These military measures broke the demonstration but outraged the public, and gave vital traction to the United Mine Workers and the American labor movement.

Over the next 60 years unions became the critical counterweight to corporate power and the principal platform for the growth of the American middle class, which gave our Democracy its wealth, prosperity, and sense of justice as a core value.

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So what! I have a feeling that the families of the coal miners killed around the world just last year would rather have them back and be engaged in strip mining....what a fool you are.

There is NEVER going to be a hundred thousand jobs in strip mining. It is not a labor intensive operation. If you are an equipment operator, then I suggest you look into the construction field.

I am not unsympathetic to your situation. But open your eyes. If coal is so prosperous, WHY haven't the communities shared in the wealth? That area of the country has always been owned by coal, yet there is no upward mobility or opportunities other that coal. THAT should tell you something. The coal barons are not investing in communities, they are investing in their own wealth. They throw our enough bones to keep the dogs off.

I don't care! i actually go around and clean up those abandoned holes that were left all those years ago, that's why i know what can be done to bring an area back to normal.
Coal mining is best when done through open pit removal. It's safer, cheaper, and leads to fewer (in the long run) environmental problems.


You and your kind who want to limit mining to hard rock are the killers here buckwheat, your too damned blind to admit it. You don't care how many miners die so long as they can't do open pit mining. Fine, starting tomorrow stop using electricity....I dare you.

You want to stop coal power stop using energy and it will happen.