New Coal Regulations Will Kill Jobs, Boost Energy Bills

[Truthmatters]

gee Im sure the corporations will.

Why is it you never believe anything but what the corps say?

 

[Bfgrn]

The EPA, however, tells Whispers that the hit the industry will suffer is worth the health benefits. “EPA has taken a number of sensible steps to protect public health, while also working with industry and other stakeholders to ensure that these important Clean Air Act standards—such as the first ever national Mercury and Air Toxics Standards for coal-fired power plants—are reasonable, common-sense, and achievable,” said spokesman Brendan Gilfillan. [Read Rep. Darrell Issa: Obama's Bad Policy, Harmful Regulations Add to Gas Prices.]

What’s more, officials said that just one of the rules to cut sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide emissions will would yield up to $290 billion in annual health and welfare benefits in 2014. They say that amounts to preventing up to 36,000 premature deaths, 26,000 hospital and emergency room visits, and 240,000 cases of aggravated asthma. “This far outweighs the estimated annual costs,” says an official on background. [Check out political cartoons on the economy.]

Again its easy to make other people pay money. Also I note the nice round numbers for the estimated "health savings" which are based on risk assesment studies, which are dubious at best. Pushing these as actual benefits is not quite, but pretty near, lying.

The costs to generators, however, will be real, and the costs to either upgrade the plants or change to different power generation types will be borne not by the companies owners or stockholders, but by the rate payers.

The health dangers from coal burning power plants is well documented. We know what carcinogens and toxins are being spread and ingested by citizens. It is polluting the air we breath, the water we drink and the fish we can no longer safely eat because they are loaded with heavy metals like mercury. What is going on here is socialism and welfare... corporate socialism and corporate welfare. It is the dismantling of the free market and externalizing the polluters costs on to all of us.

They raise standards of living for themselves by lowering the quality of life for everybody else, and they do that by evading the discipline of the free market. You show me a polluter; I'll show you a subsidy. I'll show you a fat cat using political clout to escape the discipline of the free market and to force the public to pay his production costs. That's what all pollution is. It's always a subsidy. It's always a guy trying to cheat the free market.

Corporations are externalizing machines. They're constantly figuring out ways to get somebody else to pay their costs of production. That's their nature. One of the best ways to do that, and the most common way for a polluter, is through pollution.

Read this if you want to find out what the so called liberal media doesn't tell you.

 

[Bfgrn]

gee Im sure the corporations will.

Why is it you never believe anything but what the corps say?

Here is why

 

[ba1614]

gee Im sure the corporations will.

Why is it you never believe anything but what the corps say?

Because of the governments record of telling the truth not being any better I prefer not to believe either until I've done my own research. These numbers seem unreasonable to me and would like to see how they come up with them. Why is that unreasonable? Do you only blindly accept data when it suits your ideology?

I guess we should believe the obama when he says he wants to bankrupt the industry that supplies about half of Americas power.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ]YouTube - ‪SHOCK Audio Unearthed OBAMA TELLS SAN FRANCISCO HE WILL BANKRUPT THE COAL INDUSTRY‬‏[/ame]

 

[bripat9643]

The EPA pulls these numbers out of their ass. There is no way that 36,000 people die every year as a result of coal fired power plant emissions. The actual number is probably close to zero. The real reason for the regs is that Obama wants to drive up the price of coal so he can make his "green energy" schemes look economically feasible.

One other question: How can the EPA create new laws that Congress never voted on?

I'm glad Obama is all for helping the middle class

Coal Regs Would Kill Jobs, Boost Energy Bills


Two new EPA pollution regulations will slam the coal industry so hard that hundreds of thousands of jobs will be lost, and electric rates will skyrocket 11 percent to over 23 percent, according to a new study based on government data.

Overall, the rules aimed at making the air cleaner could cost the coal-fired power plant industry $180 billion, warns a trade group.

[Check out a roundup of political cartoons on energy policy.]

“Many of these severe impacts would hit families living in states already facing serious economic challenges,” said Steve Miller, president of the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity. “Because of these impacts, EPA should make major changes to the proposed regulations before they are finalized,” he said.

The EPA, however, tells Whispers that the hit the industry will suffer is worth the health benefits. “EPA has taken a number of sensible steps to protect public health, while also working with industry and other stakeholders to ensure that these important Clean Air Act standards—such as the first ever national Mercury and Air Toxics Standards for coal-fired power plants—are reasonable, common-sense, and achievable,” said spokesman Brendan Gilfillan. [Read Rep. Darrell Issa: Obama's Bad Policy, Harmful Regulations Add to Gas Prices.]

What’s more, officials said that just one of the rules to cut sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide emissions will would yield up to $290 billion in annual health and welfare benefits in 2014. They say that amounts to preventing up to 36,000 premature deaths, 26,000 hospital and emergency room visits, and 240,000 cases of aggravated asthma. “This far outweighs the estimated annual costs,” says an official on background


Coal Regs Would Kill Jobs, Boost Energy Bills - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)

 

[bripat9643]

gee Im sure the corporations will.

Why is it you never believe anything but what the corps say?

They are generally about 1000 times more honest than the government. To understand why no one believes the later, just consider the recent example of Anthony Weiner.

 

[Sallow]

gee Im sure the corporations will.

Why is it you never believe anything but what the corps say?

Because of the governments record of telling the truth not being any better I prefer not to believe either until I've done my own research. These numbers seem unreasonable to me and would like to see how they come up with them. Why is that unreasonable? Do you only blindly accept data when it suits your ideology?

I guess we should believe the obama when he says he wants to bankrupt the industry that supplies about half of Americas power.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ]YouTube - ‪SHOCK Audio Unearthed OBAMA TELLS SAN FRANCISCO HE WILL BANKRUPT THE COAL INDUSTRY‬‏[/ame]

Shouldn't be to hard to discern he's talking about building new coal plants with old technology. And he is correct...that shouldn't be the direction we head in.

 

[Truthmatters]

gee Im sure the corporations will.

Why is it you never believe anything but what the corps say?

They are generally about 1000 times more honest than the government. To understand why no one believes the later, just consider the recent example of Anthony Weiner.

If you really believe that corps are more honest than any other group of people involved with anything then you are the worlds biggest fool.

 

[bripat9643]

You pollute every time you commute to work or flip on a light switch, nitwit. Apparently you're the one the government is subsidizing, but that gives too much credit to government. Government can't be subsidizing everyone.

The fact is that you can't live without "polluting" the environment. It's a fact of life, not the result of "corporate greed." Also, pollution in this country is so low that it's virtually unnoticeable. These new regulations are just an EPA scam to make green energy economically viable.

We're all being bent over to pay for Obama's delusions.

The EPA, however, tells Whispers that the hit the industry will suffer is worth the health benefits. “EPA has taken a number of sensible steps to protect public health, while also working with industry and other stakeholders to ensure that these important Clean Air Act standards—such as the first ever national Mercury and Air Toxics Standards for coal-fired power plants—are reasonable, common-sense, and achievable,” said spokesman Brendan Gilfillan. [Read Rep. Darrell Issa: Obama's Bad Policy, Harmful Regulations Add to Gas Prices.]

What’s more, officials said that just one of the rules to cut sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide emissions will would yield up to $290 billion in annual health and welfare benefits in 2014. They say that amounts to preventing up to 36,000 premature deaths, 26,000 hospital and emergency room visits, and 240,000 cases of aggravated asthma. “This far outweighs the estimated annual costs,” says an official on background. [Check out political cartoons on the economy.]

Again its easy to make other people pay money. Also I note the nice round numbers for the estimated "health savings" which are based on risk assesment studies, which are dubious at best. Pushing these as actual benefits is not quite, but pretty near, lying.

The costs to generators, however, will be real, and the costs to either upgrade the plants or change to different power generation types will be borne not by the companies owners or stockholders, but by the rate payers.

The health dangers from coal burning power plants is well documented. We know what carcinogens and toxins are being spread and ingested by citizens. It is polluting the air we breath, the water we drink and the fish we can no longer safely eat because they are loaded with heavy metals like mercury. What is going on here is socialism and welfare... corporate socialism and corporate welfare. It is the dismantling of the free market and externalizing the polluters costs on to all of us.

They raise standards of living for themselves by lowering the quality of life for everybody else, and they do that by evading the discipline of the free market. You show me a polluter; I'll show you a subsidy. I'll show you a fat cat using political clout to escape the discipline of the free market and to force the public to pay his production costs. That's what all pollution is. It's always a subsidy. It's always a guy trying to cheat the free market.

Corporations are externalizing machines. They're constantly figuring out ways to get somebody else to pay their costs of production. That's their nature. One of the best ways to do that, and the most common way for a polluter, is through pollution.

Read this if you want to find out what the so called liberal media doesn't tell you.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

I'm glad Obama is all for helping the middle class

Coal Regs Would Kill Jobs, Boost Energy Bills


Two new EPA pollution regulations will slam the coal industry so hard that hundreds of thousands of jobs will be lost, and electric rates will skyrocket 11 percent to over 23 percent, according to a new study based on government data.

Overall, the rules aimed at making the air cleaner could cost the coal-fired power plant industry $180 billion, warns a trade group.

[Check out a roundup of political cartoons on energy policy.]

“Many of these severe impacts would hit families living in states already facing serious economic challenges,” said Steve Miller, president of the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity. “Because of these impacts, EPA should make major changes to the proposed regulations before they are finalized,” he said.

The EPA, however, tells Whispers that the hit the industry will suffer is worth the health benefits. “EPA has taken a number of sensible steps to protect public health, while also working with industry and other stakeholders to ensure that these important Clean Air Act standards—such as the first ever national Mercury and Air Toxics Standards for coal-fired power plants—are reasonable, common-sense, and achievable,” said spokesman Brendan Gilfillan. [Read Rep. Darrell Issa: Obama's Bad Policy, Harmful Regulations Add to Gas Prices.]

What’s more, officials said that just one of the rules to cut sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide emissions will would yield up to $290 billion in annual health and welfare benefits in 2014. They say that amounts to preventing up to 36,000 premature deaths, 26,000 hospital and emergency room visits, and 240,000 cases of aggravated asthma. “This far outweighs the estimated annual costs,” says an official on background


Coal Regs Would Kill Jobs, Boost Energy Bills - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)

But this is necessary. Just ask the guy who doesn't even pay an electric bill, he will tell you.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqHL404zhcU]YouTube - ‪Barack Obama Admits: Energy Prices Will Skyrocket Under Cap And Trade‬‏[/ame]

 

[bripat9643]

gee Im sure the corporations will.

Why is it you never believe anything but what the corps say?

They are generally about 1000 times more honest than the government. To understand why no one believes the later, just consider the recent example of Anthony Weiner.

If you really believe that corps are more honest than any other group of people involved with anything then you are the worlds biggest fool.

I said they are 1000 times more honest than the government, not than anyone else. The government lies all the time. Anyone who denies that is simply a fool. And the most dishonest administration ever elected is the Obama administration.

 

[Sallow]

gee Im sure the corporations will.

Why is it you never believe anything but what the corps say?

They are generally about 1000 times more honest than the government. To understand why no one believes the later, just consider the recent example of Anthony Weiner.

Ken Lay.
Bernie Maddoff.
Michael Milken.
Scott Sullivan.
Ivan Boesky.
David Myers.
Jeff Skilling.
Dennis Kozlowski.
Mark Swartz.
Frank Walsh.
Richard Fuld.
Neil Bush.

Honest to a fault those guys. Only cost billions..no big whoop.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

gee Im sure the corporations will.

Why is it you never believe anything but what the corps say?

They are generally about 1000 times more honest than the government. To understand why no one believes the later, just consider the recent example of Anthony Weiner.

If you really believe that corps are more honest than any other group of people involved with anything then you are the worlds biggest fool.

A politician is more honest then a working stiff ? If you believe that YOU are the worlds biggest fool.

 

[bripat9643]

The air is clean, nitwit. Can you name a single person who has died as a result of pollution from coal fired power plants? The answer is "no," you can't. The EPA figures are science fiction.

I guess you are for children starving and freezing because their parents can afford to buy food are heat their homes.

Whenever the price of oil increases, turds like you are the first ones to blame it on "corporate greed." However, it seems libs don't really give a damn about imposing higher costs on consumers so long as the blood suckers in the government are the ones who are doing it.

For you I quess its easy to poisin children today to make a quick buck.

I guess for you distroying mountains and streams that belong to our children and their children too is easy for a quick buck.

Money isnt everything, sometimes people need clean air and water.

OUr grandchildren may have NO need of coal but you can bet your ass they will need healthy bodies clean streams and clean air.

You want to have them stand and look at the distroyed landscape and say " gee I quess grandpa couldnt do anything else for a living but cut down mountians and distroy the very land his grandfather left him".


Its not just YOUR mountains you greedy POS.

 

[martybegan]

For you I quess its easy to poisin children today to make a quick buck.

I guess for you distroying mountains and streams that belong to our children and their children too is easy for a quick buck.

Money isnt everything, sometimes people need clean air and water.

OUr grandchildren may have NO need of coal but you can bet your ass they will need healthy bodies clean streams and clean air.

You want to have them stand and look at the distroyed landscape and say " gee I quess grandpa couldnt do anything else for a living but cut down mountians and distroy the very land his grandfather left him".

Its not just YOUR mountains you greedy POS.

Ah the standard "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" screed from our in house lefty nitwit.

Plants like this already have controls on them. These regulations are basically a back door method of making coal electrical generation so costly that the companies are forced to either add additional controls, or change power generation sources.

I have no issue with people having to add controls, Hell I work in evironmental engineering, this makes more work for people like me. My issue is using a risk assement style study to claim that these laws will "save" X amount of lives/illnesses. Such claims are based in statisitical analysis, extrapolation, and guesswork, not hard science or numbers.

And your response has enough strawmen in it to start a barnfire, and enough begging the question retorts to make a person choke.

and you are still a pussy for not having your rep turned on.

 

[bripat9643]

gee Im sure the corporations will.

Why is it you never believe anything but what the corps say?

They are generally about 1000 times more honest than the government. To understand why no one believes the later, just consider the recent example of Anthony Weiner.

Ken Lay.
Bernie Maddoff.
Michael Milken.
Scott Sullivan.
Ivan Boesky.
David Myers.
Jeff Skilling.
Dennis Kozlowski.
Mark Swartz.
Frank Walsh.
Richard Fuld.
Neil Bush.

Honest to a fault those guys. Only cost billions..no big whoop.

That's a pretty small list. Now consider anyone who was ever elected to Congress. Everyone one of them is less honest than everyone on your list.

Yeah, they spent way more of my money than those thugs in Congress, right? $4 trillion a year is pocket change!

You have to be positively stupid to trust the government.

 

[8537]

The EPA pulls these numbers out of their ass. There is no way that 36,000 people die every year as a result of coal fired power plant emissions. The actual number is probably close to zero.

When your mouth moves, does the coal industry do a good job of hiding or can people see the strings?

 

[Truthmatters]

coal mining distruction - Bing Videos

 

[bripat9643]

Shouldn't be to hard to discern he's talking about building new coal plants with old technology. And he is correct...that shouldn't be the direction we head in.

The "new technology" that Obama favors is not economically feasible. We'll all be shivering in the dark if Obama is allowed to proceed with his schemes to bring on the new Utopia.

 

[bripat9643]

coal mining distruction - Bing Videos

I thought the purpose of these regulations was to save lives by cutting air pollution. Now you are suggesting some other purpose is behind them.