Never to be forgotten

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    Of course, 'never to be forgotten' can mean different things...
     
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    A sad story, but maybe you and other Americans would be better served remembering THIS...



    Ex-U.S. soldier found guilty in Iraqi rape, deaths

    Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi (عبير قاسم حمزه الجنابي) (February 28, 1992 - March 12, 2006) was an Iraqi girl who, at the age of 14 years, was gang-raped and murdered together with her 5-year-old sister, mother and father, in their home, by U.S. soldiers who then set fire to the building before decamping.

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    Abeer Qassim Hamza at the age of seven.

    Abeer means "fragrance of flowers." She was 14 years old.

    When four American soldiers, two dressed in Iraqi mufti and not uniforms, appeared at the Al-Janabi farmhouse on the afternoon of March 12, 2006, they were not entirely unexpected. Abeer had told her mother that some of the Americans at the checkpoint were being sexually aggressive toward her and her mother, fearing for her safety, had been making her stay home.

    Among the soldiers entering the house was Private First Class Steven Green, a 21-year-old boy-man and petulant loner with a history of drug and alcohol problems and a petty criminal record back in Midland, the titular home of the Bush family in Texas oil patch country.

    Green had been in Iraq for only a few weeks when he was found to have "homicidal ideations" when he was sent to an Army Combat Stress team on December 21, 2005. Nevertheless, he was sent back into combat.

    In February 2006, Green matter-of-factly told a reporter for Stars & Stripes that he had come to Iraq "because I wanted to kill people" and bragged that he had "shot a guy who wouldn't stop when we were out at a traffic checkpoint and it was like nothing. Over here, killing people is like squashing an ant. I mean, you kill somebody and it's like 'All right, let's go get some pizza'."

    Green was being medicated with small doses of Seroquel, a mood-altering drug, to control his demons, and still was sent back into combat. Bravo Company's commander, Captain James Goodwin, later said that conditions were so bad and his men so numbed from months of combat that he "almost had a nervous breakdown" and had to spend a few days chilling in the Green Zone in Baghdad before resuming command of the beleaguered unit.


    By March 2006, the men of Bravo Company seemed to be near the breaking point. There was bitter complaining that they were being forced to spend up to 30 days straight working and sleeping at undermanned checkpoints instead of three- to five-day rotations back to Camp Striker, their barracks in an abandoned potato processing plant that had burned the previous month, adding to the unit's reputation as a "hard-luck" outfit.

    With two of Bravo Company's respected and experienced senior NCOs away on leave, Green set about planning mischief.

    According to an affidavit prepared by FBI Special Agent Frank Charles and other accounts, on the evening of March 11, Green talked up the idea of going to Abeer's house and raping her. Then, on the following morning, he and several buddies played cards and got drunk on black market Iraqi whiskey, a violation of war-zone policy.

    After hitting some golf balls behind the checkpoint, an intoxicated Green again brought up the idea of raping Abeer, changed into Iraqi civilian clothing and made arrangements for a buddy to monitor the radio at the checkpoint so he and his confederates could go "kill and hurt a lot of Iraqis."

    Once at Abeer's house Green herded her father, mother and Hadil, her 7-year-old sister, into a bedroom. Abeer’s brothers, Ahmad and Muhammad, were at school.

    Green shot the father several times in the head, the mother several times in the abdomen and the sister several times in the head and shoulder with an AK-47 that the family was legally allowed to keep in the house, proudly announcing to his buddies, "I just killed them, all are dead."
    Green then turned on Abeer, whom U.S. officials initially claimed was 20 or 25. As if that justified what happened next.

    Abeer's dressing gown and bra were torn from her body and her legs tied. Green and two other soldiers then took turns raping her. By the time they had finished, blood was flowing from her vagina. Green then shot Abeer in the head two or three times, threw a blanket over her torso and set her body afire in a crude effort to cover up the atrocity.

    Back at the checkpoint, Green burned his blood-drenched clothing and swore everyone to secrecy.

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    So you are comparing a psychotic out of control person who committed an admittedly horrible crime for which he was duly punished to the systematic raping and killing of more than 300,000 people condoned by the Japanese government?
     
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    Why do you say that (besides your obvious desire to indulge in some anti-American schadenfreude)? It has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, is in no way an apt comparison, and suggests that more than one terrible event cannot be remembered.

    You just wanted to be a dick, and you accomplished your goal. How thoughtful and humanitarian of you to callously use the poor girl's death to play a smirky little game. Real classy.
     
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    This is bfgrn we're talking about.
     
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    Spare me the propaganda. So, you are condemning the evil Japanese soldiers, and making excuses for murdering and raping American soldiers?

    What about the fucking VICTIMS?
     
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    I feel for the victims. The difference you refuse to see is that the man guilty of the rape and murder of the girl in Iraq has been punished. No one was punished for what the Japanese soldiers did to the 300,000 victims in China. What about the victims?
     
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    This is exactly WHY I said but maybe you and other Americans would be better served remembering the atrocities committed by our own soldiers. I am not anti-American, I am anti WAR.

    If you want to believe in fairy tales, good guy bad/guy bullshit and wave the flag go right ahead. But educate yourself first pea brain. Read about the firebombing of Dresden, the Biscari massacre and Abu Ghraib
     
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    What lesson do you want me to come away with? To hate Japan?

    THE lesson should be to hate WAR. It is the scourge of mankind. We as citizens need to understand that war causes these atrocities. And we as citizens don't need to cheer despot presidents when they say 'Bring 'em on'

    The real lesson is that war must always be the last resort.
     

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