bobcollum
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I fully understand the concept behind the second amendment, but I also know random school massacres weren't much of a problem in the late 1700's.
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I'm saying that you have to look at the overall effect. If it saves one person but costs the lives of three others, what have you really accomplished?I agree, but I was rebutting the point that was made upthread that saving one life would make some law against firearms worthwhile. My point is that making laws with that sort of rationale in mind is silly.There are instances, even if rare, when maybe that is the only solution, but generally speaking I'd guess that's not the case.
I really don't think it's anymore silly than believing that 'killers are just gonna kill, so what's the point?'.
A firearm makes it easier to indulge in this psychotic impulse that some unfortunate people have. If you can make it harder to facilitate that, you do it, or at least attempt to, at least that's how I see it.
Yes, but one of those people can buy at a gun show.Beware because I'm about to sound like a Conservative lunatic...
This country was founded on the right to gun ownership with the belief that the citizenry should be armed not only to protect and use in their everyday lives but also as the last safeguard against a tyrannical government. There is no way that shall ever be infringed upon. What we saw today was the price for that freedom and unfortunately sometimes eggs get broken to make an omelette. Also, I think when everything comes out about this guy, I think it's going to be clear that access to guns for this loon wasn't the biggest factor in the shooting.
And we'll do what we always do when a shooting breaks out. We'll bitch and argue over the shooting and fight with each other about the possibility of new laws until it's no longer interesting or relevant anymore, then we'll move on to the next issue.
I don't think you sound like a conservative lunatic. I think everyone should be given the opportunity to own a gun.
I have 2 myself now, and enjoy the hell out of them.
I just think that we need to have some common sense about the whole issue.
Treat it like car ownership.
Blind people can't drive cars, drunk drivers get their licenses revoked.
Therefore insane people should be allowed to have guns, nor should criminals.
Laws that make it Illegal for felons and mental cases are on the books already and have been for a long time. If you look back these perps where never on the radar so going to his house and taking any guns that might have been there is moot.
We show our children violence on a wholesale level, we have taught generations that personnel responsibility isn't really that important we discard millions every year through abortions,and kids pay attention to that,yet we wonder how something like this can happen and blame everyone but ourselves truly amazing and pathetic.
So I just heard he executed them by having them lay down on the floor...yeah......my emotional outrage right now says fuck your whining about your guns,and hand them over......It also makes the op look like a sack of fucking shit that you needed to come on here and whine about your precious guns.
Hooliganism wasn't much of a problem, let alone celebrated, in pop culture of the 1700s, either....Your point being?I fully understand the concept behind the second amendment, but I also know random school massacres weren't much of a problem in the late 1700's.
Beware because I'm about to sound like a Conservative lunatic...
This country was founded on the right to gun ownership with the belief that the citizenry should be armed not only to protect and use in their everyday lives but also as the last safeguard against a tyrannical government. There is no way that shall ever be infringed upon. What we saw today was the price for that freedom and unfortunately sometimes eggs get broken to make an omelette. Also, I think when everything comes out about this guy, I think it's going to be clear that access to guns for this loon wasn't the biggest factor in the shooting.
And we'll do what we always do when a shooting breaks out. We'll bitch and argue over the shooting and fight with each other about the possibility of new laws until it's no longer interesting or relevant anymore, then we'll move on to the next issue.
I don't think you sound like a conservative lunatic. I think everyone should be given the opportunity to own a gun.
I have 2 myself now, and enjoy the hell out of them.
I just think that we need to have some common sense about the whole issue.
Treat it like car ownership.
Blind people can't drive cars, drunk drivers get their licenses revoked.
Therefore insane people should be allowed to have guns, nor should criminals.
A common thread I see in these shootings is that those around him agree he is fucking nuts. His parents don't know what to do with him, his teachers identify him as troubled, employers and coworkers see him as unstable. And yet, until he is committed, he can go out and buy as many guns and as much ammo as he wants
There has to be a better way
Beware because I'm about to sound like a Conservative lunatic...
This country was founded on the right to gun ownership with the belief that the citizenry should be armed not only to protect and use in their everyday lives but also as the last safeguard against a tyrannical government. There is no way that shall ever be infringed upon. What we saw today was the price for that freedom and unfortunately sometimes eggs get broken to make an omelette. Also, I think when everything comes out about this guy, I think it's going to be clear that access to guns for this loon wasn't the biggest factor in the shooting.
And we'll do what we always do when a shooting breaks out. We'll bitch and argue over the shooting and fight with each other about the possibility of new laws until it's no longer interesting or relevant anymore, then we'll move on to the next issue.
I don't think you sound like a conservative lunatic. I think everyone should be given the opportunity to own a gun.
I have 2 myself now, and enjoy the hell out of them.
I just think that we need to have some common sense about the whole issue.
Treat it like car ownership.
Blind people can't drive cars, drunk drivers get their licenses revoked.
Therefore insane people should be allowed to have guns, nor should criminals.
Laws that make it Illegal for felons and mental cases are on the books already and have been for a long time. If you look back these perps where never on the radar so going to his house and taking any guns that might have been there is moot.
We show our children violence on a wholesale level, we have taught generations that personnel responsibility isn't really that important we discard millions every year through abortions,and kids pay attention to that,yet we wonder how something like this can happen and blame everyone but ourselves truly amazing and pathetic.
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Morons, more laws won't stop people bent on killing. Unless they plan to seal our borders and our coastline outlawing guns won't stop them from being available to crooks and killers.
By the way? In China a man murdered a bunch of elementary school children with a knife. One does not need a gun. And the ability to construct a huge bomb is pretty available as well.
Just so you know, I will never surrender my weapons.
Well....if you ever shot one of my children your ass would be well advised to do exactly what that murdering asshole did with your automatic weapon...blow your own ass away.
I have two daughters and a son....the daughters are 22 months apart in age. They were in the same elementary school for about four years. If some crazy asshole had murdered them while they were in their classrooms my wife and I would have been ruined for life.This is real....it's not some video game.
Great Britain doesn't allow military assault weapons and 100 shot clips and they lose about 35-40 citizens each year to gun events. For several years the U S loses 11,000 12,000. Wise up...quit chewing your tobacco and driving your pickup truck with the confederate flag and shotgun mounted on the rear window. Just because your penis is only 3" long doesn't give you the right to carry a gun that more often than not you will never use in any way except on a firing range...or illegally in the woods.
We are a Nation with a Constitution. You don't like a right? You have an option. Create and get past Congress an Amendment. Then get 37 States to agree to it. Failing that you have no right to disarm me or anyone else that is not committing a crime.
I notice you whine about YOUR rights. How about we pass some law that violates one of YOUR rights and the Constitution. Or is that different?
So I just heard he executed them by having them lay down on the floor...yeah......my emotional outrage right now says fuck your whining about your guns,and hand them over......It also makes the op look like a sack of fucking shit that you needed to come on here and whine about your precious guns.
The same laws that apply to gun dealers in their store fronts apply to them at gun shows, you bigoted ignoramus.Yes, but one of those people can but at a gun show.I don't think you sound like a conservative lunatic. I think everyone should be given the opportunity to own a gun.
I have 2 myself now, and enjoy the hell out of them.
I just think that we need to have some common sense about the whole issue.
Treat it like car ownership.
Blind people can't drive cars, drunk drivers get their licenses revoked.
Therefore insane people should be allowed to have guns, nor should criminals.
Laws that make it Illegal for felons and mental cases are on the books already and have been for a long time. If you look back these perps where never on the radar so going to his house and taking any guns that might have been there is moot.
We show our children violence on a wholesale level, we have taught generations that personnel responsibility isn't really that important we discard millions every year through abortions,and kids pay attention to that,yet we wonder how something like this can happen and blame everyone but ourselves truly amazing and pathetic.
I'm saying that you have to look at the overall effect. If it saves one person but costs the lives of three others, what have you really accomplished?I agree, but I was rebutting the point that was made upthread that saving one life would make some law against firearms worthwhile. My point is that making laws with that sort of rationale in mind is silly.
I really don't think it's anymore silly than believing that 'killers are just gonna kill, so what's the point?'.
A firearm makes it easier to indulge in this psychotic impulse that some unfortunate people have. If you can make it harder to facilitate that, you do it, or at least attempt to, at least that's how I see it.
In any event, a waiting period isn't going to stop a crazy person. They will probably still be crazy at the end of it, assuming they don't just steal someone else's firearm.
Hooliganism wasn't much of a problem, let alone celebrated, in pop culture of the 1700s, either....Your point being?I fully understand the concept behind the second amendment, but I also know random school massacres weren't much of a problem in the late 1700's.
Hooliganism wasn't much of a problem, let alone celebrated, in pop culture of the 1700s, either....Your point being?I fully understand the concept behind the second amendment, but I also know random school massacres weren't much of a problem in the late 1700's.
The same laws that apply to gun dealers in their store fronts apply to them at gun shows, you bigoted ignoramus.Yes, but one of those people can but at a gun show.Laws that make it Illegal for felons and mental cases are on the books already and have been for a long time. If you look back these perps where never on the radar so going to his house and taking any guns that might have been there is moot.
We show our children violence on a wholesale level, we have taught generations that personnel responsibility isn't really that important we discard millions every year through abortions,and kids pay attention to that,yet we wonder how something like this can happen and blame everyone but ourselves truly amazing and pathetic.
No new laws will come from this but your paranoia is noted.
Not true, this will be a turning point!
I expect:
(1) A National Database of gun-ownership!
(2) National ID to own a gun!
(3) Illegalization of many guns and ammo!
(4) More red tape in the gun buying process!
Using hidden cameras, it was shown that a person easily bought weapons, even when he joked that he probably couldn't pass the requirements. The seller just laughed and sold him the gun. It was one of the shows like 60 Minutes.The same laws that apply to gun dealers in their store fronts apply to them at gun shows, you bigoted ignoramus.Yes, but one of those people can but at a gun show.
You KNOW that all sales at gun shows are not legal; saying laws apply means nothing to criminals and anyone selling a gun illegally is a criminal. You may now free to call me a name too.
The same laws that apply to gun dealers in their store fronts apply to them at gun shows, you bigoted ignoramus.Yes, but one of those people can but at a gun show.
You KNOW that all sales at gun shows are not legal; saying laws apply means nothing to criminals and anyone selling a gun illegally is a criminal. You may now free to call me a name too.