CDZ Net neutrality....why the decision and whats the goal?

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    Be more detailed please sir.

    What freedoms are you talking about? The freedoms of internet providers to charge as they see fit? That is a statement I agree with as if I understand the regulations were on internet providers.

    This is the CDZ remember.
     
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    Competition is going to reduce prices...did you ever wonder why all those big companies supported Net Neutrality? They did so because they have the money and leverage to control the people who will make the regulations under Net Neutrality......now, they will actually have to compete...which means lower prices, better quality, faster speeds and more access, not less......
     
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    Competition does reduce price. I agree 100%

    You bring up two points.

    What big companies support Net Neutrality? Amazon, Google, Facebook and the like? And what is their position? Every Centurytel and Charter Cable in the world could threaten to charge them whatever for bandwidth?

    How is Net Neutrality going to increase competition? Is there something hiding in the regulation limiting who can bury cable?
     
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    I listened to a bunch of pro's and con's about NN and still didn't understand.

    So I went to my trusted fall back position, "if Obama and the liberal Dem's are all for it.....then it means more big government control, ....and that can't be good for me the taxpayer". .... :cool:
     
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    That is not a well thought out position IMO sir unless you are somehow a party cheerleader. Every D & R in Congress doesn't even vote on team lines every time. Also consider D's feel you were created equal and want to defend that. Now you are saying you are not equal to everyone else.

    I'm simple so I'll try to explain it (to my limited understanding).

    The biggest part of Net Neutrality is that our internet providers have to give all websites, Amazon, USMessageBoard, Google, Bob's Bait & Tackle.com, whoever the same access to maximum speed and bandwidth.

    The THINK the situation is new. I'm searching for a proper analogy to ancient Greece because I don't believe all modern problems are really that modern. As of yet I haven't found it though.

    -One thinking is, it costs your internet provider more server time to play all them Netflix movies than it does to show small business websites or message boards so of course Netflix should pay more. If this was the case in the (unregulated but idealistic) 90's folks say the internet would not have evolved because bandwidth was soo limited your provider would have charged Netflix or some gal's porn livestream site soo much to stream it would not have been profitable.

    -Another is, Amazon and Facebook have the money to pay for priority service. The company I work for, well, we don't make big money. Also what if your area has one good provider, Toronado's Internet company, and one that sucks, say Centurytel (who I do not like). What if Toronado's Internet company decides to charge the Republican and Democratic Parties different amounts for their web traffic? Doesn't sound fair does it?

    This started about a decade ago I gather when some internet companies started giving their programs preferential treatment online vs others.

    Did I explain right? I have not read the 2015 bill and suspect there are some ghosts hiding on page 1010101 which may or may not swing our opinions.
     
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    Government regulations always cost $$$$ and freedom.
     
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    Ok. Explain in more detail how this one did/will. I have mixed feelings on it but don't feel its a bumper sticker opinion issue.
     
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    Net Neutrality = Internet at the speed of Government ..... :cool:
     
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    Feels? Huh? That's no comparison.

    Netflix uses more bandwidth than say Deb's Cat Store website. Under NN, Netflix can't say "hey users, if you want super duper fast streaming with zero buffering you can pay a bit more and access that". With NN everyone gets to have the same speed even though everything doesn't consume the same amount of bandwidth. On its face that doesn't make sense. Shouldn't those consuming more have the ability to charge more? Now by comparison, Deb's Cat Store website speed will be 'slower' but that's relative. 10 seconds to load vs instantaneous. If you don't want the 'super duper fast' lane, don't pay for it. If companies decide to ridiculously jack prices for internet, people will find alternative sources and/or leave. Or someone will come up with something else. They always do. WE are the powers that be, as WE decide what we will or will not tolerate in the market.

    The internet has worked perfectly fine since the early 90's. Rolling back NN will ensure that it stays that way.
     
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