CDZ Net neutrality....why the decision and whats the goal?

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  1. Toronado3800
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    I'm for a few modifications to the internet but being conservative I like to have a reason.

    So now we've rolled back net neutrality. I believe I'm against this. What's the dream effect rolling it back will have and are you for it?

    Help me find the silver lining or explain it better...maybe Facebook and Amazon getting throttled for the benefit of Comcast will spread the clicks around? Or maybe it will work in favor of Facebook because they are big enough to pay to play? Will Charter be able to charge xxx sites more and limit my/our porn access? I guess they could charge the RNC and DNC different rates?
     
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    Profit and hoping people are hooked enough to pay anything.
     
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    Here is what I am guessing is the end result:

    Absolutely nothing of relevance will change.

    But we will get a lot of leftist tears, since their favorite international mega-corporations support the policy. This is good news.
     
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    When they passed NN a couple of years ago, the right was screaming that the internet would end, people would be getting charged out the butt for faster lanes, that it was all going to be just awful.

    I didn't notice a damn difference.

    Shoe is on the other foot and my prediction is the end result will be the same.
     
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    There really is not much or a 'silver lining.' I don't think much is going to change at all to be perfectly honest. A few companies will pay for priority service like netflix and other major media vendors but, for the most part, no one will notice anything at all.

    The real issue is if we want the government deciding how ISPs manage overall network traffic. They have screwed the market up enough with the variable monopolies that they have established, I have no desire to have the government any more involved in internet usage.

    The question that should be asked is not (and should never be) what we hope to achieve by removing a regulation. The question should be what effect we want to achieve and/or are achieving with that regulation. There is nothing showing that net neutrality had any real positive effects on internet traffic to begin with.
     
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    What did the government do to establish provider monopolies?

    In the big non political sense we have been given regulations ever since Moses went up the Mountain. Those weren't detailed enough and the punishment too abstract so we get more and more.

    Are you saying though the Neutrality regulations came before any providers had non-neutral bandwidth or tried to sell off bandwidth?
     
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    It, of course, starts with a good intention. The government wanted to entice more development of cable lines to more of the country so they divided the nation up into areas where only a single cable provider is legally allowed to provide services. That way, if a cable provider installs cable lines they know they are the only ones that will have access to them and the only company that is able to do so.

    Cable companies like Charter, Comcast, Hughes Net and others are not actual competitors.

    In effect, there is a monopoly on cable service. You have one choice if you want cable service. Technology has been working hard to overcome this limitation - enter Dish, century link and the like but they are still ill equipped to compete. Anyone that actually uses the internet for more than browsing and has used their cable provider and century like attest to the limitations of DSL. Interestingly enough, your cable internet is capable of at least 3-5 times what the max your cable company is offering in speed. The only reason that they do not offer those speeds is the competition does not have anything available that comes close.

    Essentially, yes. There were no major problems with providers giving anyone preferential treatment before net neutrality. There was talk about the large amount of video and download volume and possible throttling of those so that you did not slow down the rest of your block. That was back when traffic loads actually affected the internet speeds for other users. This is really no longer true for a standard customer anymore.
     
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    All internet traffic isn't equal. Why should it be forced to be treated equally?
     
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    I feel the obvious retort is: Bob feels you aren't his equal. Why should he be forced to treat you so.

    First we'd say military and 911 service internet is obviously more important. After that it gets fuzzy and left to the powers that be to decide. Then commercial over recreational? Or him with more dollars over her with fewer bucks?
     
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    They were waiting for hilary to get into office.....the left thinks long term, they put it in place, then slowly take away the freedoms...
     

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