Neither party cares about the debt.

[Dovahkiin]

Republicans Don’t Really Care About Reducing America’s Debt

That’s because for most Republicans, deficit reduction is a smokescreen. What they really want is “smaller” government, by which they mean government that taxes less and spends less on domestic programs. (On defense, Republican small government orthodoxy tends to wane.) Republicans want smaller government when deficits are high and when deficits are low. But when deficits are high, they pour old wine into new bottles and pretend that smaller government and deficit reduction are the same thing.

There is much truth in what you say. However, historically the Republicans have increased our national debt more than Democrats.

GOP Presidents Have Been the Worst Contributors to the Federal Debt

It'd probably help if that link used honest numbers. They're using ones that are having Clinton running surplus. Which as we all know never happened.

Oh wait....I forgot, some people don't know what debt is. My bad.

Wait, clinton never ran a surplus? In what universe?

This one. In no year since 1957 has the US run a surplus. The debt has increased every year since.

Oh dear lord.. You literally don't know what you're talking about.

 

[sarahgop]

Rubio wants to explode the national debt with millions of uneducated illegals.

 

[9aces]

Republicans Don’t Really Care About Reducing America’s Debt

There is much truth in what you say. However, historically the Republicans have increased our national debt more than Democrats.

GOP Presidents Have Been the Worst Contributors to the Federal Debt

It'd probably help if that link used honest numbers. They're using ones that are having Clinton running surplus. Which as we all know never happened.

Oh wait....I forgot, some people don't know what debt is. My bad.

Wait, clinton never ran a surplus? In what universe?

This one. In no year since 1957 has the US run a surplus. The debt has increased every year since.

Oh dear lord.. You literally don't know what you're talking about.

Why yes, I do. Your ignorance however prevents you, here's where you find the truth you do not seek.

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual

BTW, in case you didn't notice, that's the US Treasury website, not some "radical" blogger.

 

[sealybobo]

No one seems to understand this. You always have republicans (today) complaining about the national debt, and when republicans are in office, we have democrats complaining about the national debt. The reality? Neither party really cares, and they don't really have a valid reason to. That probably made you shake your head, after all, we're all going to die once china decides to cash in, right? Yeah, no. Funny thing about debt.. no one seems to understand it. Krugman talks about this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/09/opinion/paul-krugman-nobody-understands-debt.html?_r=0

You see, policy makers have been basing their actions on a false view of what debt is all about, and their attempts to reduce the problem have actually made it worse.
You might think our failure to reduce debt ratios shows that we aren’t trying hard enough — that families and governments haven’t been making a serious effort to tighten their belts, and that what the world needs is, yes, more austerity. But we have, in fact, had unprecedented austerity. As the International Monetary Fund has pointed out, real government spending excluding interest has fallen across wealthy nations — there have been deep cuts by the troubled debtors of Southern Europe, but there have also been cuts in countries, like Germany and the United States, that can borrow at some of the lowest interest rates in history.
You can see that misunderstanding at work every time someone rails against deficits with slogans like “Stop stealing from our kids.” It sounds right, if you don’t think about it: Families who run up debts make themselves poorer, so isn’t that true when we look at overall national debt?

No, it isn’t. An indebted family owes money to other people; the world economy as a whole owes money to itself. And while it’s true that countries can borrow from other countries, America has actually been borrowing less from abroad since 2008 than it did before, and Europe is a net lender to the rest of the world.

Because debt is money we owe to ourselves, it does not directly make the economy poorer (and paying it off doesn’t make us richer). True, debt can pose a threat to financial stability — but the situation is not improved if efforts to reduce debt end up pushing the economy into deflation and depression.

This brings me to talk about both parties. Democrats want to raise taxes and spending, while republicans want to cut taxes AND raise spending. (Don't let them fool you, the military, social security, you really think they're going to decimate medicaid and medicare? Not even the republicans will go that far if elected and holding a majority.) So we have democrats wanting to raise taxes and increase spending, which will increase the debt, and we have republicans wanting to cut taxes and increase spending AS WELL. If either party gave a shit about the debt, they would raise taxes AND cut spending. But this will not go over with the population, nor will it go over well with the morons who scream 'HOLD THE LINE!'

Agree. The federal reserve is run by private bankers. They own the USA. Them and the Chinese.

We should go bankrupt and stop being the world superpower.

We need to better regulate commerce. This is our country. If corporations want to do business they'll play by our rules.

Companies follow Mexico's and China's and Brazil's rules, why not follow our rules? Why here do corporations make the rules?

 

[sealybobo]

Rubio wants to explode the national debt with millions of uneducated illegals.

I think we need the workers paying into social security because we aren't breeding enough and baby boomers are collecting ss for 30 years. Not enough paying into ss. We may need them? That may be a reality no candidate is willing to admit is true. Similar to the debt and inflation scam

 

[9aces]

No one seems to understand this. You always have republicans (today) complaining about the national debt, and when republicans are in office, we have democrats complaining about the national debt. The reality? Neither party really cares, and they don't really have a valid reason to. That probably made you shake your head, after all, we're all going to die once china decides to cash in, right? Yeah, no. Funny thing about debt.. no one seems to understand it. Krugman talks about this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/09/opinion/paul-krugman-nobody-understands-debt.html?_r=0

You see, policy makers have been basing their actions on a false view of what debt is all about, and their attempts to reduce the problem have actually made it worse.
You might think our failure to reduce debt ratios shows that we aren’t trying hard enough — that families and governments haven’t been making a serious effort to tighten their belts, and that what the world needs is, yes, more austerity. But we have, in fact, had unprecedented austerity. As the International Monetary Fund has pointed out, real government spending excluding interest has fallen across wealthy nations — there have been deep cuts by the troubled debtors of Southern Europe, but there have also been cuts in countries, like Germany and the United States, that can borrow at some of the lowest interest rates in history.
You can see that misunderstanding at work every time someone rails against deficits with slogans like “Stop stealing from our kids.” It sounds right, if you don’t think about it: Families who run up debts make themselves poorer, so isn’t that true when we look at overall national debt?

No, it isn’t. An indebted family owes money to other people; the world economy as a whole owes money to itself. And while it’s true that countries can borrow from other countries, America has actually been borrowing less from abroad since 2008 than it did before, and Europe is a net lender to the rest of the world.

Because debt is money we owe to ourselves, it does not directly make the economy poorer (and paying it off doesn’t make us richer). True, debt can pose a threat to financial stability — but the situation is not improved if efforts to reduce debt end up pushing the economy into deflation and depression.

This brings me to talk about both parties. Democrats want to raise taxes and spending, while republicans want to cut taxes AND raise spending. (Don't let them fool you, the military, social security, you really think they're going to decimate medicaid and medicare? Not even the republicans will go that far if elected and holding a majority.) So we have democrats wanting to raise taxes and increase spending, which will increase the debt, and we have republicans wanting to cut taxes and increase spending AS WELL. If either party gave a shit about the debt, they would raise taxes AND cut spending. But this will not go over with the population, nor will it go over well with the morons who scream 'HOLD THE LINE!'

Agree. The federal reserve is run by private bankers. They own the USA. Them and the Chinese.

We should go bankrupt and stop being the world superpower.

We need to better regulate commerce. This is our country. If corporations want to do business they'll play by our rules.

Companies follow Mexico's and China's and Brazil's rules, why not follow our rules? Why here do corporations make the rules?

Maybe their politicians aren't as corrupt as ours? Or maybe they're just not as good at being corrupt.

 

[sealybobo]

No one seems to understand this. You always have republicans (today) complaining about the national debt, and when republicans are in office, we have democrats complaining about the national debt. The reality? Neither party really cares, and they don't really have a valid reason to. That probably made you shake your head, after all, we're all going to die once china decides to cash in, right? Yeah, no. Funny thing about debt.. no one seems to understand it. Krugman talks about this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/09/opinion/paul-krugman-nobody-understands-debt.html?_r=0

You see, policy makers have been basing their actions on a false view of what debt is all about, and their attempts to reduce the problem have actually made it worse.
You might think our failure to reduce debt ratios shows that we aren’t trying hard enough — that families and governments haven’t been making a serious effort to tighten their belts, and that what the world needs is, yes, more austerity. But we have, in fact, had unprecedented austerity. As the International Monetary Fund has pointed out, real government spending excluding interest has fallen across wealthy nations — there have been deep cuts by the troubled debtors of Southern Europe, but there have also been cuts in countries, like Germany and the United States, that can borrow at some of the lowest interest rates in history.
You can see that misunderstanding at work every time someone rails against deficits with slogans like “Stop stealing from our kids.” It sounds right, if you don’t think about it: Families who run up debts make themselves poorer, so isn’t that true when we look at overall national debt?

No, it isn’t. An indebted family owes money to other people; the world economy as a whole owes money to itself. And while it’s true that countries can borrow from other countries, America has actually been borrowing less from abroad since 2008 than it did before, and Europe is a net lender to the rest of the world.

Because debt is money we owe to ourselves, it does not directly make the economy poorer (and paying it off doesn’t make us richer). True, debt can pose a threat to financial stability — but the situation is not improved if efforts to reduce debt end up pushing the economy into deflation and depression.

This brings me to talk about both parties. Democrats want to raise taxes and spending, while republicans want to cut taxes AND raise spending. (Don't let them fool you, the military, social security, you really think they're going to decimate medicaid and medicare? Not even the republicans will go that far if elected and holding a majority.) So we have democrats wanting to raise taxes and increase spending, which will increase the debt, and we have republicans wanting to cut taxes and increase spending AS WELL. If either party gave a shit about the debt, they would raise taxes AND cut spending. But this will not go over with the population, nor will it go over well with the morons who scream 'HOLD THE LINE!'

Agree. The federal reserve is run by private bankers. They own the USA. Them and the Chinese.

We should go bankrupt and stop being the world superpower.

We need to better regulate commerce. This is our country. If corporations want to do business they'll play by our rules.

Companies follow Mexico's and China's and Brazil's rules, why not follow our rules? Why here do corporations make the rules?

Maybe their politicians aren't as corrupt as ours? Or maybe they're just not as good at being corrupt.

Oh there's always some corruption. In mexico things are horrible for the workers. In America things are getting worse.

But keep in mind Republicans and corporations got rid of all the good paying manufacturing jobs. Very few left. Those companies went bankrupt and renigged in pensions. Went overseas, some moved back under different names and now they pay $8-$15 hr.

And that's the way they like it. That's the reason for the widening gap between rich and poor.

You can not tell me you want to go back to paying those workers more. I would not believe you

 

[Si modo]

NAFTA’s Impact on U.S. Workers



"By establishing the principle that U.S. corporations could relocate production elsewhere and sell back into the United States, NAFTA undercut the bargaining power of American workers, which had driven the expansion of the middle class since the end of World War II. The result has been 20 years of stagnant wages and the upward redistribution of income, wealth and political power."

 

[gipper]

NAFTA’s Impact on U.S. Workers



"By establishing the principle that U.S. corporations could relocate production elsewhere and sell back into the United States, NAFTA undercut the bargaining power of American workers, which had driven the expansion of the middle class since the end of World War II. The result has been 20 years of stagnant wages and the upward redistribution of income, wealth and political power."

While is should be clear to all that neither party cares about the debt, it should also be clear that both parties worked to together to pass NAFTA and other big trade deals, which have undercut the middle class. Again...further proof both parties are alike on most issues, yet they continue to talk about disagreements and the MSM amplifies these so called differences, in a successful effort to divide Americans. If only more Americans could see this for what it is.

 

[JoeB131]

While is should be clear to all that neither party cares about the debt, it should also be clear that both parties worked to together to pass NAFTA and other big trade deals, which have undercut the middle class. Again...further proof both parties are alike on most issues, yet they continue to talk about disagreements and the MSM amplifies these so called differences, in a successful effort to divide Americans. If only more Americans could see this for what it is.

So you think the LIbertarians would not have "Free Trade", or that when you get rid of all the safety and environmental laws, businesses will want to come back here and poison the water?