MtnBiker
Senior Member
Umm yeah, that's not socialistic .
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Originally posted by MtnBiker
Umm yeah, that's not socialistic .
Originally posted by Syntax_Divinity
Well, I do (know what socialism is.) Hey Zhukov, socialism is collective ownership of the means of production and redistribution of wealth. Nader has never called for either of these, and has never obliquely implied them either. You don't know what you're talking about.
Originally posted by Zhukov
Higher taxes on the rich, or progressive taxation, is what Nader calls for and it is income redistribution. How can you deny this?
He has also euphemistically called for 'more democracy in our businesses' at the expense of board executives. Well what do you think that means?
Communism is in effect a pure democratic referendum governance.
Oh, but I do know what I'm talking about. I've studied marxism and bolshevism enough to know where Nader's ideas lead. I voted for him in 2000. Don't be fooled by the fact that he doesn't come out and say it explicitly. The word 'socialist' is still taboo in this country, but I know which way the man leans. And I can imagine what he would do with power.
Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
Why did you vote for Nader?
Originally posted by Zhukov
Because I used to be a communist.
I admit with some reluctance that it still holds a certain amount of attraction to me. I've realized over time that communism is based on the way human beings aren't and can therefore never work. For a long time I irrationally believed that people were naturally good and generous, but that's not reality.
I admit I still hope against hope that perhaps sometime in the distant future human nature will have changed sufficiently to permit the creation of a egalitarian utopia.
Such is the bane of a visionary.
Originally posted by Syntax_Divinity
I find it funny that insein calls Nader an idiot. I would love to see you get into a debate with Ralph. He would grind you up and spit you out. Just because the man is a flaming liberal and an egomaniac doen't mean he isn't extremely intelligent. Christ, he graduated summa cum laude from Princeton, dork.