CDZ My gun control plan that will stop 95-99% of gun crime and murder in the U.S.

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    You guys live under the protection of the 2nd Amendment, the work of the NRA, Gun Owners of America and the 2nd Amendment Foundation....it's like saying that we don't have to worry about war anymore because no one has attacked us since 9/11.

    This is a war of attrition....you have all of the major democrat presidential candidates declaring they support mandatory gun buyback, assault weapon bans and confiscation along the lines of the Australian model.....if you think they are joking, you are delusional...if you think they will stop at AR-15 rifles, you don't understand their openness about banning all semi-automatic weapons....that would mean all rifles, pistols and shotguns as well as revolvers that fire one shot per pull of the trigger....and if you think they don't mean that, that they only want "assault rifles," you are delusional.
     
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    Many people are overly confident that their guns are all they need to prevent a buyback or incremental revocation of the 2nd Amendment. It's already happening.

    Truth is, most who brazenly say what they "would do" have never actually had to face the situation.

    Unfortunately, they are fooling themselves and I agree, whether people want to believe it or not IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.....sooner or later because there is no real resistance.
    It'll happen in some states before others granted. But when enough states basically go along with a disarmed America, the pressure will mount for all states to comply.

    Once the guns are gone, then the true face of the fascists will emerge. we've only seen a hint so far.
     
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    Just for the sake of the argument........
    Let's say Beto got elected President......(JUST for the sake of the argument)
    And let's go further and say he gets a cooperative senate and House. So now he, along with Congress get a mandatory buy back done.
    Who will be turning in their AR15's and AK47's ? Criminals damned sure wont.

    They will go down any and every list they can swipe on exactly who has bought and registered one....and they will begin going to those homes and businesses.

    So when the Left screams for "Common sense" Background checks, what they're really saying is "Let's get EVERYONE who owns a gun ON A LIST so that when we get "our man" in place, taking the guns will be that much easier.

    Roughly 95% of Americans will most likely, when confronted with prison time or taking some cash for their guns will take the cash. No matter what Internet Tough Guys who've never been confronted with an armed team of trigger happy leftist agents might say.

    5% of the population will not cooperate and will become instant criminals and the target of systematic witch hunts and prosecutions.

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    Hey, you just listed California in your list of where registration led to confiscation and that is just not true. Now you are pivoting to the fear tactics. I’m fine with a healthy dose of skepticism and fighting for the rights you believe in. I don’t have anything against your position. Just be honest about it
     
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    Here...

    The Costs and Consequences of Gun Control



    Americans are well aware that gun registration can be a tool for gun confiscation, and not just in other countries. In New York City during the mid-1960s, street crime was rising rapidly. So as a gesture to “do something,” the New York City Council and Mayor John Lindsay (R) enacted long-gun registration. The per gun fee was low, just a few dollars.103 Registration never did solve crimes, and crime continued to worsen. So in 1991, with the city becoming increasingly unlivable, Mayor David Dinkins (D) made a grand gesture of his own, convincing the City Council to enact a ban on so-called assault weapons.104 Then, the New York police used the registration lists to conduct home inspections of individuals whose registered guns had been outlawed. The police said they were ensuring that the registered guns had been moved out of the city, or had already been surrendered to the government.105

    In California, in 2013, only strenuous opposition finally led to the defeat of a proposed law, AB 174, which, before it was amended to cover a different subject, would have confiscated grandfathered assault weapons that had previously been registered in compliance with California state law.

    They tried to Confiscate registered guns in California......if you don't think they will try again, you are foolish...
     
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    They don't have to go door to door and the anti-gunners know this....all they want is gun registration....then when they ban guns, if you don't turn them in, they just wait. Every interaction you have with the police will lead to an arrest of anyone who didn't turn in their gun...

    You make a noise complaint for a noisy party and the police come to your home to make the report...they punch you in their database...you have registered a gun you did not turn in.....now they arrest you as an illegal gun owning felon....

    You get pulled over for 40 in a 30mph.....they run your name through the data base.....you have a registered gun you did not turn in.....instead of a ticket, you are arrested as a gun felon...

    This is how it will be done..
     
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    What studies are those?
     
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    These.


    Recent evidence,
    however, suggests that the death penalty, when carried out, has an
    enormous deterrent effect on the number of murders. More precisely,
    our recent research shows that each execution carried out is
    correlated with about 74 fewer murders the following year.

    For any society concerned about human life, that type of evidence is
    something that should be taken very seriously.

    The study examined the relationship between the number of executions
    and the number of murders in the U.S. for the 26-year period from 1979
    to 2004, using data from publicly available FBI sources. The chart
    nearby shows the number of executions and murders by year. There seems
    to be an obvious negative correlation in that when executions
    increase, murders decrease, and when executions decrease, murders
    increase.

    http://groups.google.com/group/alt....read/thread/e1d266fa584228fd/4dc4b778d46df46d



    "Recent high-profile events have reopened the debate about the value of capital punishment in a just society. This is an important discussion, because the taking of a human life is always a serious matter.

    Most commentators who oppose capital punishment assert that an execution has no deterrent effect on future crimes. Recent evidence, however, suggests that the death penalty, when carried out, has an enormous deterrent effect on the number of murders. More precisely, our recent research shows that each execution carried out is correlated with about 74 fewer murders the following year.

    It is possible that this correlated relationship could be mere coincidence, so we did a regression analysis on the 26-year relationship. The association was significant at the .00005 level, which meant the odds against the pattern being simply a random happening are about 18,000 to one. Further analysis revealed that each execution seems to be associated with 71 fewer murders in the year the execution took place.

    Occam's razor suggests the simplest solution is probably the actual solution. We know that, for whatever reason, there is a simple but dramatic relationship between the number of executions carried out and a corresponding reduction in the number of murders.
    It now seems that the proper question to ask goes far beyond the obvious one of "do we save the life of this convicted criminal?" The more proper question seems to be "do we save this particular life, at a cost of the lives of dozens of future murder victims?" That is a much more difficult moral dilemma, which deserves wide discussion in a free society."
    Capital Punishment Works - WSJ.com

    Capital Punishment Works

    As many as 60 people may be alive today in Texas because two dozen convicted killers were executed last year in the nation's most active capital punishment state, according to a study of death penalty deterrence by researchers from Sam Houston State University and Duke University.

    A review of executions and homicides in Texas by criminologist Raymond Teske at Sam Houston in Huntsville and Duke sociologists Kenneth Land and Hui Zheng concludes a monthly decline of between 0.5 to 2.5 homicides in Texas follows each execution.

    This study, however, is the first to focus on monthly data in Texas, where researchers said the number of executions — 447 since capital punishment resumed in 1982 — is statistically significant enough “to make possible relatively stable estimates of the homicide response to executions.” …Kent Scheidegger, legal director of the California-based Criminal Justice Legal Foundation, which supports capital punishment, said the study “would be sufficient by itself to justify the death penalty.” The StandDown Texas Project
     
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    So a "study" that concludes correlation equals causation.
     
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    Nah...your hot air must prove that there is no value to removing the threats to society.
     

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