Mueller draft report says trump 'helped Putin destabilize the United States'

[AntonToo]

...several times over the course of 2018, Mr. Trump privately said he wanted to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Current and former officials who support the alliance said they feared Mr. Trump could return to his threat as allied military spending continued to lag behind the goals the president had set.

In the days around a tumultuous NATO summit meeting last summer, they said, Mr. Trump told his top national security officials that he did not see the point of the military alliance, which he presented as a drain on the United States.

Trump Discussed Pulling U.S. From NATO, Aides Say Amid New Concerns Over Russia

 

[JBvM]

...several times over the course of 2018, Mr. Trump privately said he wanted to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Current and former officials who support the alliance said they feared Mr. Trump could return to his threat as allied military spending continued to lag behind the goals the president had set.

In the days around a tumultuous NATO summit meeting last summer, they said, Mr. Trump told his top national security officials that he did not see the point of the military alliance, which he presented as a drain on the United States.

Trump Discussed Pulling U.S. From NATO, Aides Say Amid New Concerns Over Russia

Interesting

and then there is this...
Democrats Fall Short in Effort to Rebuke Administration on Russia Sanctions

Democrats Fall Short in Effort to Rebuke Administration on Russia Sanctions

 

[jamesmadison526]

It took a couple of months before I realized that, when trying to figure out what was going through the mind of our moron-in-chief, I only had to ask "How does that help Putin?" Now that doesn't change the pain and damage he has caused but at least I know the why?

Anybody know if the death penalty still applies to treason?

 

[imawhosure]

It doesn't look like Mueller's report is going to be good for trump. Apparently the report will include how trump has helped putin destabilize the United States. Whether it's on purpose or unwittingly, trump is very dangerous for our nation.

Mueller draft report says Trump "helped Putin destabilize the United States," Watergate journalist says




Please do not put thread title in all caps. Dana7360

Oh, you mean the same journalists that reported Covington? Same for Deuctha bank? Or the ones who reported Trump ordered Cohen to lie?

Your thread has zero cred, cause your sources lie to much. Find a new source, because there is no reason to debate anything a bunch of liars put forth as truth. The MSM is done, and so are the Leftists-)


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[The Original Tree]

FAKE NEWS

Come talk to me when Trump spent $14 Million dollars on a Clinton Dossier written by Putin like Clinton and Obama spent on The Dirty Trump Dossier they used to set up illegal surveillance on The Trump Campaign, and Knowingly filed false affidavits in a FISA Court to attack our Democracy and try to find something, anything to overturn our 2016 Election.

 

[DOTR]

It doesn't look like Mueller's report is going to be good for trump. Apparently the report will include how trump has helped putin destabilize the United States. Whether it's on purpose or unwittingly, trump is very dangerous for our nation.

Mueller draft report says Trump "helped Putin destabilize the United States," Watergate journalist says

Sounds great. HOWEVER, you better get rid of the CAPS in your thread title before mods delete/lock your thread. That's a rules violation - one that they usually enforce.

"Sounds great?" LOL.

 

[Dana7360]

It took a couple of months before I realized that, when trying to figure out what was going through the mind of our moron-in-chief, I only had to ask "How does that help Putin?" Now that doesn't change the pain and damage he has caused but at least I know the why?

Anybody know if the death penalty still applies to treason?

It's the right question to ask.

I've looked back on the last 2 years. There are so many actions that trump has taken that have benefitted putin a lot.

The latest is to remove sanctions on russia. Sanctions put in place because they conspired with trump to throw the 2016 election.

Democrats tried to stop it but republicans in the senate took putin's side and those sanctions will be removed.

 

[Crixus]

It doesn't look like Mueller's report is going to be good for trump. Apparently the report will include how trump has helped putin destabilize the United States. Whether it's on purpose or unwittingly, trump is very dangerous for our nation.

Mueller draft report says Trump "helped Putin destabilize the United States," Watergate journalist says




Please do not put thread title in all caps. Dana7360

Yeah, and he has been so right all along. It’s sad seeing y’all hang all your hopes on a has been.

 

[bripat9643]

It doesn't look like Mueller's report is going to be good for trump. Apparently the report will include how trump has helped putin destabilize the United States. Whether it's on purpose or unwittingly, trump is very dangerous for our nation.

Mueller draft report says Trump "helped Putin destabilize the United States," Watergate journalist says




Please do not put thread title in all caps. Dana7360

<YAWN!>

 

[easyt65]

It doesn't look like Mueller's report is going to be good for trump. Apparently the report will include how trump has helped putin destabilize the United States. Whether it's on purpose or unwittingly, trump is very dangerous for our nation.

Mueller draft report says Trump "helped Putin destabilize the United States," Watergate journalist says




Please do not put thread title in all caps. Dana7360

The Democrats have done more to undermine the President and divide this nation in the last 2+ years than Vlad ever dreamed of doing!

 

[Zorro!]

FOR LEFTISTS, POLITICAL OPPOSITION IS ALWAYS A SPECIES OF THOUGHTCRIME: Liberal Media Scream: Bernstein wants probe of why people support Trump.

 

[basquebromance]

what's the point of Mueller testifying. he cant go beyond the scope of his report. i'm looking forward to Mueller getting eviscerated by Marvelous Mark Meadows and Jerky Jim Jordan

 

[basquebromance]

"When then FBI Director Robert Mueller welcomed President Obama during his first official visit to the FBI, Mueller handed Obama two teddy bears as gifts for his daughters. This is about as warm and unscripted as Mueller ever gets in public."

can someone produce a video of this?

 

[Kilroy2]

Mueller appears to not want to do this but his work is being misrepresented by the repubs.

This will be the Nunes memo Part 2 and it will not change anyones mind but hey it will annoy Trump so it can't be all bad. The one line zingers from him should be a hoot.

Seriously I cannot wait for the presidential debates

 

[Zorro!]

Mueller appears to not want to do this but his work is being misrepresented by the repubs.

This will be the Nunes memo Part 2 and it will not change anyones mind but hey it will annoy Trump so it can't be all bad. The one line zingers from him should be a hoot.

Seriously I cannot wait for the presidential debates

Dirty Bob found that the Trump campaign did not conspire with Russia to steal the 2016 election and that there was no clear path to indicting the president for obstruction.

But, Dirty Bob didn't stop there: with its grudging tone, its sly assertions resembling proof, and its insistence that not being found guilty should not be confused with innocence: “A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.”

Dirty Bob used a number of rhetorical devices to couch evidence and craft a narrative so that a document that ultimately clears the president can also be read as an indictment.

Dirty Bob' report is deeply contentious. It isn’t a set of findings so much as an assertion of what the findings might have been if only there had been more evidence. It is like a closing argument in a criminal case already dismissed for lack of evidence but in which the prosecutor is determined to redeem what he can of his case. Mueller turns to a variety of strategies: hectoring repetition; the use of extraneous detail to add heft to flimsy assertion; and a resort to insinuation and innuendo to prejudice the reader against those who have not been indicted.

For example, this colossal pile of crap sentence pops up repeatedly in the report:

“Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of a foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.”​

“Papadopoulos suggested.” What exactly did he say? “Suggested” implies he expressed himself indirectly. Did he imply, or did Dirty Bob infer? The report’s use of that squishy verb six full times it refers to the conversation is a direct admission by Dirty Bob that Papadopoulos did not directly make the explosive claim that the whole Witch Hunt and all the illegal spying is based on.

The next part of the sentence is not only vague, but misleading – “Papadopoulos suggested … that the Trump campaign had received indications.”

This implies that information allegedly given to Papadopoulos – an adviser to the campaign – was shared with the entire campaign, YET, the report later says it found no evidence that Papadopoulos told anyone else on the campaign about the emails!

The descriptor “received indications,” is even more amorphous than “suggested.” An “indication” could be anything from a light flashing Morse code to one of the grifters in “The Sting” putting a finger to the side of his nose. If Papadopoulos was told something, why not simply write he “was told”?

Where did those indications come from? The “Russian government,” according to Dirty Bob, a false claim. The source of his information was Joseph Mifsud, whom the special counsel describes as a “London-based professor who had connections to Russia and traveled to Moscow in April 2016.” There is a difference between someone with unspecified “connections to Russia” and the “Russian government.”

Dirty Bob lies again when he states the Russian government offered to “assist the Trump Campaign through the anonymous release of information that would be damaging to Hillary Clinton.”

There is no evidence that Papadopoulos said anything about a plan to “assist” Trump through “anonymous” action to the man in the London bar – whom the report oddly refers to as a “representative of a foreign government” when everyone knows he is Alexander Downer. As Downer told The Australian newspaper in April 2018, Papadopoulos “mentioned the Russians might use material that they have on Hillary Clinton in the lead-up to the election, which may be damaging.”

So, Dirty Bob's oft-repeated statement:

“Papadopoulos suggested to a representative of a foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information that would be damaging to Hillary Clinton”​

Is actually nothing more than:

“Papadopoulos said to Australian diplomat Alexander Downer that a professor who had traveled to Russia had told him Russia had damaging information about Hillary Clinton and might release it before the election.”
​

But, that's far less suggestive of any wrongdoing and doesn't justify Crooked Comey taking the extreme step of investigating a presidential campaign.

Insinuendo

I'm sure Dirty Bob does NOT want to answer questions about his report.

https://www.realclearinvestigations...y_the_muller_report_doth_repeat_so_much_.html

 

[blackhawk]

 

[basquebromance]

this whole impeachment thing is more about media control than anything else. it's about yanking that megaphone from Trump's mouth!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

It doesn't look like Mueller's report is going to be good for trump. Apparently the report will include how trump has helped putin destabilize the United States. Whether it's on purpose or unwittingly, trump is very dangerous for our nation.

Mueller draft report says Trump "helped Putin destabilize the United States," Watergate journalist says




Please do not put thread title in all caps. Dana7360

Bernstein totally contradicts what Mueller said lol

 

[Kilroy2]

the sentence is not only vague, but misleading – “Papadopoulos suggested … that the Trump campaign had received indications.”

This implies that information allegedly given to Papadopoulos – an adviser to the campaign – was shared with the entire campaign, YET, the report later says it found no evidence that Papadopoulos told anyone else on the campaign about the emails!

The descriptor “received indications,” is even more amorphous than “suggested.” An “indication” could be anything from a light flashing Morse code to one of the grifters in “The Sting” putting a finger to the side of his nose. If Papadopoulos was told something, why not simply write he “was told”?

Because this is an official investigation not a television show

They repeated what was told to them. IF GP said suggested then that what was written in the report. Don't get hooked on one word as the end results is what matters

He does not deny that he was told this by Mufsud
We know that the Russians had started infiltration of computer in 2015
We know that the 3rd party he told this to though it was important enough to inform the FBI
We know that the Russian attacked DNC and Hillary associates computer between March to June 2016.
This was later released for general public consumption
We know in June Trump also announced to the public that he hopes the Russians find those missing emails and hours later they use the previous methods to look for Hillary associates emails
It not the tiny bits that count but the whole result that is the issue

Where did those indications come from? The “Russian government,” according to Dirty Bob, a false claim. The source of his information was Joseph Mifsud, whom the special counsel describes as a “London-based professor who had connections to Russia and traveled to Moscow in April 2016.” There is a difference between someone with unspecified “connections to Russia” and the “Russian government.”

Obviously he did know that computers were compromised

Dirty Bob lies again when he states the Russian government offered to “assist the Trump Campaign through the anonymous release of information that would be damaging to Hillary Clinton.”
The answer is not in what GP says cause he was vague with I don't recollect but I might have

still the email release did happen on Trumps Cue

There is no evidence that Papadopoulos said anything about a plan to “assist” Trump through “anonymous” action to the man in the London bar – whom the report oddly refers to as a “representative of a foreign government” when everyone knows he is Alexander Downer. As Downer told The Australian newspaper in April 2018, Papadopoulos “mentioned the Russians might use material that they have on Hillary Clinton in the lead-up to the election, which may be damaging.”

So, Dirty Bob's oft-repeated statement:

“Papadopoulos suggested to a representative of a foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information that would be damaging to Hillary Clinton”​

Is actually nothing more than:

“Papadopoulos said to Australian diplomat Alexander Downer that a professor who had traveled to Russia had told him Russia had damaging information about Hillary Clinton and might release it before the election.”
​

But, that's far less suggestive of any wrongdoing and doesn't justify Crooked Comey taking the extreme step of investigating a presidential campaign.

Still Russian hacked the DNC and hillary computers in March 2016 to June which was a crime that needed to be investigated

Trump comments about seeking Russian help does not help him in this investigation but place the spotlight on him

GP meeting with Russian in mid 2016 looks suspicious and then he lies about it.

Russian involvement in the election is known by intelligent organizations and that this involvement favored Trump

Why would they not investigate

As Trump has said if a foreign government had dirt on an opponent he would take it

He also has said that there is nothing wrong with getting dirt on an opponent




But, Dirty Bob didn't stop there: with its grudging tone, its sly assertions resembling proof, and its insistence that not being found guilty should not be confused with innocence: “A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.”

Dirty Bob used a number of rhetorical devices to couch evidence and craft a narrative so that a document that ultimately clears the president can also be read as an indictment.

Dirty Bob' report is deeply contentious. It isn’t a set of findings so much as an assertion of what the findings might have been if only there had been more evidence. It is like a closing argument in a criminal case already dismissed for lack of evidence but in which the prosecutor is determined to redeem what he can of his case. Mueller turns to a variety of strategies: hectoring repetition; the use of extraneous detail to add heft to flimsy assertion; and a resort to insinuation and innuendo to prejudice the reader against those who have not been indicted.

For example, this colossal pile of crap sentence pops up repeatedly in the report:

“Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of a foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.”​

“Papadopoulos suggested.” What exactly did he say? “Suggested” implies he expressed himself indirectly. Did he imply, or did Dirty Bob infer? The report’s use of that squishy verb six full times it refers to the conversation is a direct admission by Dirty Bob that Papadopoulos did not directly make the explosive claim that the whole Witch Hunt and all the illegal spying is based on.

The next part of the sentence is not only vague, but misleading – “Papadopoulos suggested … that the Trump campaign had received indications.”

This implies that information allegedly given to Papadopoulos – an adviser to the campaign – was shared with the entire campaign, YET, the report later says it found no evidence that Papadopoulos told anyone else on the campaign about the emails!

The descriptor “received indications,” is even more amorphous than “suggested.” An “indication” could be anything from a light flashing Morse code to one of the grifters in “The Sting” putting a finger to the side of his nose. If Papadopoulos was told something, why not simply write he “was told”?

Where did those indications come from? The “Russian government,” according to Dirty Bob, a false claim. The source of his information was Joseph Mifsud, whom the special counsel describes as a “London-based professor who had connections to Russia and traveled to Moscow in April 2016.” There is a difference between someone with unspecified “connections to Russia” and the “Russian government.”

Dirty Bob lies again when he states the Russian government offered to “assist the Trump Campaign through the anonymous release of information that would be damaging to Hillary Clinton.”

There is no evidence that Papadopoulos said anything about a plan to “assist” Trump through “anonymous” action to the man in the London bar – whom the report oddly refers to as a “representative of a foreign government” when everyone knows he is Alexander Downer. As Downer told The Australian newspaper in April 2018, Papadopoulos “mentioned the Russians might use material that they have on Hillary Clinton in the lead-up to the election, which may be damaging.”

So, Dirty Bob's oft-repeated statement:

“Papadopoulos suggested to a representative of a foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information that would be damaging to Hillary Clinton”​

Is actually nothing more than:

“Papadopoulos said to Australian diplomat Alexander Downer that a professor who had traveled to Russia had told him Russia had damaging information about Hillary Clinton and might release it before the election.”
​

Insinuendo

I'm sure Dirty Bob does NOT want to answer questions about his report.

He has already said that he is not intrested and this his report says it all but unfortunately people seem to misunderstand it and now he has to testify.

granted testifying won't clear up anything as peoples mind are already made up but it will be entertaining and everyone will put out their opinion.

Crooked Trump will have more light shined on him

 

[Frankeneinstein]

It doesn't look like Mueller's report is going to be good for trump. Apparently the report will include how trump has helped putin destabilize the United States. Whether it's on purpose or unwittingly, trump is very dangerous for our nation.

Mueller draft report says Trump "helped Putin destabilize the United States," Watergate journalist says




Please do not put thread title in all caps. Dana7360

If true this would be the second time in my lifetime it has happened...the soviet union did this in the 60's using communist agents known to us as liberals to instigate and destabilize the U.S. with nam, and civil rights unrest that created an atmosphere ripe for the 68 democratic party riots that allowed the communists to seize control of the party and then culminating with Watergate [of which Carl Bernstein was a leading agent] in an attempt to eliminate the political opposition.