Morality of Wealth Redistribution

[DiamondDave]

You are simply putting a deaf ear BECAUSE it suits your agenda..

many 'conservatives' or 'righties' continually complain about any subsidies or entitlements, no matter the recipient

Sure don't see it happening here. All I'm seeing is defense of oil companies' unnecessary (admitted by the executives themselves to being unnecessary) tax breaks and blind defense of the MIC extortion we're paying for. I expected outrage... but you guys scream and moan about helping US Citizens knowing that the largest portion of our citezenry is sliding into poverty since the Great Depression... all because of casino shenanigans played private industry in the first place THAT WE, THE TAX PAYER HAD DUMPED IN OUR LAPS WHILE THEY MADE OUT LIKE BANDITS. I just find it interesting, that's all.

Absolutely FALSE.. open your fucking eyes

And your personal circumstances from your efforts, choices, experiences, abilities, etc is on you... not me....

 

[rightwinger]

Your brain is truly warped righty. For your brain to write the above and actually believe it takes someone truly delusional. YES, the government does take money from and give it to othes. It's called Social Security you dumb ass just as an example.

Guess what Bern?

You belong to a society. As part of that society you are expected to contribute. You contribute to Social Security, you get to draw out of it. If not, you get nothing

If you gave most of us the choice NOT to contribute to SS... I would gladly sign off on any documentation you wish so that I will never draw from it

If SS is such a great system and option, then why the fuck is it mandatory?? People would be flocking to voluntarily contribute to it

And in part of a free society... you should not be 'expected' to contribute for the personal responsibilities of others... rather you should have the right to exercise the freedom to choose to do so or not

Your elected representatives of our society have decided everyone needs retirement coverage. You don't like it, elect other representatives or join a new society

Do you know how many modern countries in the world do not have retirement coverage for their workers? Good luck finding one

 

[DiamondDave]

Guess what Bern?

You belong to a society. As part of that society you are expected to contribute. You contribute to Social Security, you get to draw out of it. If not, you get nothing

If you gave most of us the choice NOT to contribute to SS... I would gladly sign off on any documentation you wish so that I will never draw from it

If SS is such a great system and option, then why the fuck is it mandatory?? People would be flocking to voluntarily contribute to it

And in part of a free society... you should not be 'expected' to contribute for the personal responsibilities of others... rather you should have the right to exercise the freedom to choose to do so or not

Your elected representatives of our society have decided everyone needs retirement coverage. You don't like it, elect other representatives or join a new society

Do you know how many modern countries in the world do not have retirement coverage for their workers? Good luck finding one

A massive overreach of power in a corrupt system in a supposed free society...

Again... if it were so great... why is it mandatory?? People would be FLOCKING to sign up

 

[mudwhistle]

Like how the government subsidizes the oil companies? They receive money they didn't earn. Let's give that money back to the people who earned it: the taxpayers.

Stop having donor states give the taxpayer's money to states that receive it. In my state we give some of our hard earned tax dollars to other states, who haven't earned it.

Anybody who doesn't support these two things, isn't really serious about being against the redistribution of wealth.

We sure do here in Louisiana... the Feds rape us for billions and then give it to fuckwad blue states so they can make their transfer payments.

Below is a map of what states receive more money from the goverment and which ones get less than they pay in. The states in Red are the states who are getting more than they pay in, the states that are Blue get less than they paid in to the government. I see Louisiana is one of the states feeding off the Federal Trough.
I guess Soggy made an error when posting his crying and whining.

The legend says only spending above and below one dollar.

It doesn't say what you claim.

 

[uscitizen]

We sure do here in Louisiana... the Feds rape us for billions and then give it to fuckwad blue states so they can make their transfer payments.

Below is a map of what states receive more money from the goverment and which ones get less than they pay in. The states in Red are the states who are getting more than they pay in, the states that are Blue get less than they paid in to the government. I see Louisiana is one of the states feeding off the Federal Trough.
I guess Soggy made an error when posting his crying and whining.

The legend says only spending above and below one dollar.

It doesn't say what you claim.

That is for each dollar of federal taxes that state paid, how much the fed spends on them.

 

[Truthmatters]

facts mean nothing to many on here.

History is not something they like.

they try to change it every time they need a way to pretend their historically failed ideas work.

 

[M14 Shooter]

facts mean nothing to many on here.

Thus, the irony of your name.

 

[DiamondDave]

facts mean nothing to many on here.

History is not something they like.

they try to change it every time they need a way to pretend their historically failed ideas work.

Facts... something you do not ever deal with... you habitual liar

 

[BlindBoo]

Yes the progressive tax code is moral.

No it is not moral to freeload.

 

[Immanuel]

Redistribution of wealth is immoral.

However, I have to agree with RW on this one. Today, in this country, the redistribution of wealth is not going from rich to poor. It is rather going from the middle class to the rich. That does not make it any less immoral.

We should all be paying for the services this country provide for us. That is why we should be paying taxes. We should not have to pay taxes so that corporations can have larger profit margins. $21 Billion to five oil companies... WTF? One of those companies of which made almost $11 billions in the first quarter alone.

Immie

PS Don't mind me... I'm pissed off at the world lately.

What is wrong with a corporation making 11 billion on 114 billion in revenue? That's slightly under 10% margin. Do you realize that in the same quarter Microsoft made $5.71 billion on $16.43 billion in revenues? That's about 35% margin, Huge corporations make huge amounts of profit.

What is wrong with it? Nothing is wrong with a corporation making 10% profits. The problem I have is in the thought that the government must also subsidize said corporations with billions of dollars on top of that. That $21 Billion could do a hell of a lot of good spent elsewhere.

Immie

 

[M14 Shooter]

Yes the progressive tax code is moral.

Please present a sound argument to that effect.

 

[Claudette]

If you gave most of us the choice NOT to contribute to SS... I would gladly sign off on any documentation you wish so that I will never draw from it

If SS is such a great system and option, then why the fuck is it mandatory?? People would be flocking to voluntarily contribute to it

And in part of a free society... you should not be 'expected' to contribute for the personal responsibilities of others... rather you should have the right to exercise the freedom to choose to do so or not

Your elected representatives of our society have decided everyone needs retirement coverage. You don't like it, elect other representatives or join a new society

Do you know how many modern countries in the world do not have retirement coverage for their workers? Good luck finding one

A massive overreach of power in a corrupt system in a supposed free society...

Again... if it were so great... why is it mandatory?? People would be FLOCKING to sign up

A massive overreach of power?? What an understatment.

Nowhere in the Constitution, you know, that document which we are supposed to be governer by, will you find the word Charity.

Nowhere in the Constitution will you see it written that the Govt has the right to take money from one group of people and give it to another.

Nowhere in the Constitution will you see it written that the Govt, i.e. the taxpayers, are obligated to take care of anyones individual needs.

Charity is a good thing when its given freely and that ain't the case with entitlements.

 

[Bern80]

This country does not redistribute wealth by confiscating it from some and giving it to others. We have a legal tax structure detailing what you contribute to society.
The way we do redistribute wealth is by passing laws that make it easier for some groups to accumulate wealth than others

The biggest redistribution of wealth has happened since 1980 as the middle class has lost wealth to the rich

Your brain is truly warped righty. For your brain to write the above and actually believe it takes someone truly delusional. YES, the government does take money from and give it to othes. It's called Social Security you dumb ass just as an example.

Guess what Bern?

You belong to a society. As part of that society you are expected to contribute. You contribute to Social Security, you get to draw out of it. If not, you get nothing

Just grow a pair and admit you lied. Our government does indeed take money from some and give it to others. As Manifold so eloquently noted, once you tax a society you are engaging in wealth redistribution, period.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

Absolutely FALSE.. open your fucking eyes

And your personal circumstances from your efforts, choices, experiences, abilities, etc is on you... not me....

1. What is false? Everything I posted is irrefutable truth.
2. When have I ever asked you (or the government) for anything? Well, I did take out a student loan so that I could afford to go to college, but I paid that back W/ 7% interest.

 

[Bern80]

Absolutely FALSE.. open your fucking eyes

And your personal circumstances from your efforts, choices, experiences, abilities, etc is on you... not me....

1. What is false? Everything I posted is irrefutable truth.
2. When have I ever asked you (or the government) for anything? Well, I did take out a student loan so that I could afford to go to college, but I paid that back W/ 7% interest.

That's always the interesting thing about these debates. When you actually accuse a lefty of receiving redistributed wealth you deny it vehemently. So if you find it so shameful to receive money that was taken by force from someone else why do push so hard for other people to keep receiving what has been taken from others?

 

[Mr. Peepers]

That's always the interesting thing about these debates. When you actually accuse a lefty of receiving redistributed wealth you deny it vehemently. So if you find it so shameful to receive money that was taken by force from someone else why do push so hard for other people to keep receiving what has been taken from others?

No idea what this grammar-poor paragraph means. You didn't go to college, did you? No English 101, I suspect?

 

[BlindBoo]

Yes the progressive tax code is moral.

Please present a sound argument to that effect.

Describing morality in this way is not making a claim about what is objectively right or wrong, but only referring to what is considered right or wrong by an individual or some group of people.

All Western societies implement a form of a progressive tax scale. The US lags behind most developed nations in this regard.

Tax Progressivity and Income Inequality | Angry Bear - Financial and Economic Commentary

Tax Tables / Tax Bracket Rates

 

[DiamondDave]

Absolutely FALSE.. open your fucking eyes

And your personal circumstances from your efforts, choices, experiences, abilities, etc is on you... not me....

1. What is false? Everything I posted is irrefutable truth.
2. When have I ever asked you (or the government) for anything? Well, I did take out a student loan so that I could afford to go to college, but I paid that back W/ 7% interest.

Your stating it does not make it "truth"....

Fucking idiot

You have stated that 'Reps' or 'Conservatives' act a certain way here and out in the world... this, is NOT the case... and if you would open your fucking hyper-partisan eyes, you would see this

 

[DiamondDave]

"Recipients of Total USDA Subsidies from farms in United States totaled $246,718,000,000 in from 1995-2009."

United States Top Recipients 1995-2009 || EWG Farm Subsidy Database

You know, I can't believe you righties haven't blown a gasket over this number I posted. Thats BILLIONS of OUR TAX DOLLARS going directly to private corporations who make BILLIONS in profits and pay their top executives hundreds of MILLIONS. The farmers sure as hell aren't benefitting from the subsidies...

Case in point where you are flat out WRONG.... conservatives here and other places do speak out against ALL subsidies

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

That's always the interesting thing about these debates. When you actually accuse a lefty of receiving redistributed wealth you deny it vehemently. So if you find it so shameful to receive money that was taken by force from someone else why do push so hard for other people to keep receiving what has been taken from others?

No idea what this grammar-poor paragraph means. You didn't go to college, did you? No English 101, I suspect?

You could try answering the question. Everybody else understood it.. perhaps it is you that is the cement-head?