Moral Issues and Political Solutions

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    A large part of politics these days is that many politicians seem to think they can fix moral problems with political solutions. Additionally, many people seem to think that those politicians can do exactly that.
    I disagree. You cannot solve a moral problem with political solutions.

    Now that I’ve said that, I must point out that people differ on what the moral problems/issues are. Since they differ on agreement to the problems, they obviously would then differ on the solution. I’ll mention a few in this post, but would welcome others to include their own thoughts on other issues.

    Moral Dilemma 1: Abortion/Unwanted Pregnancy
    Some people don’t think abortion is immoral and some do. If unwanted pregnancies could be 100% avoided then this issue would disappear. The root of wanting or needing an abortion lies in a pregnancy that was unintended (maybe not always, but in general, that is the situation). I posit that part of the moral issue is actually getting pregnant when one doesn’t want a child at that moment in time. That could be caused by failure to take appropriate preventive measures (potentially moral or immoral), failure of birth control (generally not immoral), or on occasion something as horrid as rape (definitely a moral issue on the part of the rapist).
    I don’t think any politician can come up with a political solution to fix all of the above regardless of the morals of him/herself or his/her potential constituents.

    Moral Dilemma 2: Welfare
    Some people think it is moral to support those in need and others do not. Part of that is a disagreement on what constitutes need. Most of us would probably agree that somebody that is mentally incapable of caring for themself is in need. The question arises when one is both mentally and physically capable. As of yet, nobody has figured out a way to keep people out of poverty, but poverty is the root issue. If you look at the last 40 years, the percentage of people in poverty has been fairly constant. There are people that have struggled and used welfare as a safety net for a short period of time, then bounced back. There are people that have struggled and never bounced back and spend much of their life using welfare. How does a moral person determine when welfare should end for a mentally and physically competent person?
    A politician can’t determine that moral decision for me or you with a political solution.

    Moral Dilemma 3: War
    This one is a bit different than the previous 2 dilemmas. I truly believe that the vast preponderance of people would choose to avoid war if they possibly could. When do your morals find a justifiable cause for war? I think just about everybody has their breaking point where they would agree to the nation declaring war. But with that also comes morals about what one finds as acceptable action in the war. How brutal will our side be? What do we consider to be an acceptable level of collateral damage? Are our losses of people and property more or less important than winning/ending the war?
    Politicians can’t determine that for you nor I, but that is one decision where most of us have acquiesced to them.

    There are many more issues that one side or the other claim morals on that I haven’t addressed in this post. I welcome others to add their thoughts.
     
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    No thoughts from others?
    Did I not flame enough to get a response?
     
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    I completely agree. We have certain problems in our society because we lack morality, not because we lack government or laws. We can't fix the people with outside mechanisms, we need to heal the people from the inside.
     
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    Conservatives think they own the moral high ground, I would like to know why fiscal conservatives have no problem switching to being social conservatives after gaining office, that's the answer I am interested in.
     
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    Sorry Mountain. Didn't see your thread until now.

    To me, abortion is not a political issue at all. I'm pro-life, but I don't have the right to force that opinion on others. Much as it pains me, and it really does, it's not a federal issue.

    On welfare, I doubt that many conservatives would deny the need for some support for our most vulnerable.... I certainly have no issue with that. The real issue, to me, is that an overly generous or overly supportive welfare program actually does more harm than good. It damages those it is designed to help... there is decade upon decade of research on it. The EU countries - those who have had traditionally far more generous welfare programs than ours - that research clears shows significant damage done to society by those programs.

    War: Meh, that's a huge one. I hear a lot of people very proudly say 'I am anti-war' and I laugh at the total lunacy of the claim. No one is 'pro-war'. But sometimes it is a necessary evil. Think how very different our world would be if our great grandparents, grandparents or even our forefathers had made such moronic, meaningless statements.
     
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    Actually, people need to fix themselves... if they have the courage to see that. 'We' have no right to fix them.
     
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    Thanks for making a blanket accusation.
     
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    No thanks for not making an attempt to answer my question as to why all these fiscal tea party candidates threw their support behind a record number of abortion restriction bills last year.

    As to my "blanket statement", I challenge you to find a single conservative who does not think that their politics are morally superior.
     
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    There is no question mark at the end of anything you've written in this thread, thus no question from you for me to respond to.
    You made a blanket accusation after I asked for thoughts in the OP, now I know your thoughts.
     
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    Hehe, I thought maybe you'd toss another moral issue out there that politics can't answer.
     

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