Monogamy, A History

Monogamy.....no, that's not folding paper into swans and flowers.....
...but almost as complicated.
I though this might be appropriate for Mother's Day.





1. Monogamy, being committed to one person.

At one time, monogamy was the culture in America....seems no longer to be the case. It both represents, and has gone the way of, personal responsibility.
As have many other attitudes and values....

a. Envy has become a dominant feature of the culture...
“Since the end of the Second World War, however, a new ‘ethic’ has come into being, according to which the envious man is perfectly acceptable. Progressively fewer individuals and groups are ashamed of their envy, but instead make out that its existence in their temperaments axiomatically proves the existence of ‘social injustice,’ which must be eliminated for their benefit.”
Helmut Schoeck, “Envy: A Theory of Social Behavior,” p. 179

b. Since the 60s, Leftist political dogma has been based on the idea of a 'personal morality," an extension of which is envy, and could be reduced to this bumper-sticker: "if it feels good, do it."

2. The wave of vilification of bourgeois culture received impetus from “The Authoritarian Personality,” by Adorno, et. al. which identified antidemocratic indicia such as obedience, and respect for authority. Conservatism, of course, was another name for fascism, and represented personal pathology.

a. "...the ideal of a "patriarchal" family and middle-class respectability is something almost everyone is rebelling against....couples go ten years without tying the knot because they do not want to surrender to bourgeois values. Rebelling against "the establishment" is something that anyone can do.."
Tucker, "Marriage and Civilization: How Monogamy Made Us Human," p. 215-216





3. And the explanation as to why marriage and the two-parent family has given way to a more atavistic scenario is that monogamy is, after all, a cultural construct, meaning that it is not one modeled in nature.

It is an artificial plan that advanced societies impose on themselves. Where did this idea come from? From the experience of mankind throughout history.

a. This is the great contribution of our Judeo-Christian foundation to Western civilization. The principles are worked out over millennia as the result of human interactions and experience, and laid down in the Torah and the Gospels, and implemented through human actions memorialized in what is taught in families.
David Mamet, "The Secret Knowledge."





4. But, it is a difficult code, not one that satisfies everyone's desires, and stigmatizes all manner of deviation:
a. homosexual inclinations,
b. the temptation for dalliance with another's spouse,
c. pre-marital intercourse
d. having children out of wedlock
e. ...and more.

5. Things have changed in many ways.
"Today, vulgar language knows no class, sex, age or place. As late as 1960, sleeping with one's boyfriend was mostly a lower-class thing. It was deemed sluttish and something to be kept secret; today it's open and assumed to be normal…. In some instances, unwed mothers proudly hold baby showers celebrating their illegitimate offspring. Homosexual marriages were unheard of; today, in some jurisdictions, homosexual marriages have legal sanction. Of course, to be judgmental about the new codes of conduct is to risk being labeled a prude and possibly a racist, sexist or a homophobe.” America's New Role Models

6. "Left to their natural state, almost all species end up practicing polygamy, since the strongest males will dominate the physically weaker males and females. Polygamous societies of Islam and tropical Africa and of pre-history are much more 'natural' in that they give vent to a wider range of the deepest human impulses....Monogamy is the end point of civilized behavior that recognizes, however unconsciously, that enforcing the rules creates advantages at the societal level."
Tucker, Op.Cit.

Interesting. Good topic. What impact do you feel that media censorship or lack of it in today's world has had on monogamy?

Did censorship make our society more monogamous, or did it simply suppress tendencies that were always present?



Thank you.

When you bring up the media, is that with the understanding that the media is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Liberal establishment?

If so....yes, that's the provenance of the problem.

Liberalism is based on exactly the opposite of traditional values: it is based on the idea that every culture, every value is equal, and no one should ever, ever, criticize another.

It certainly accrues votes for the Democrats.

It will result in the death of Western civilization.
 
Monogamy.....no, that's not folding paper into swans and flowers.....
...but almost as complicated.
I though this might be appropriate for Mother's Day.

1. Monogamy, being committed to one person.

At one time, monogamy was the culture in America....seems no longer to be the case. It both represents, and has gone the way of, personal responsibility.
As have many other attitudes and values....

a. Envy has become a dominant feature of the culture...
“Since the end of the Second World War, however, a new ‘ethic’ has come into being, according to which the envious man is perfectly acceptable. Progressively fewer individuals and groups are ashamed of their envy, but instead make out that its existence in their temperaments axiomatically proves the existence of ‘social injustice,’ which must be eliminated for their benefit.”
Helmut Schoeck, “Envy: A Theory of Social Behavior,” p. 179

b. Since the 60s, Leftist political dogma has been based on the idea of a 'personal morality," an extension of which is envy, and could be reduced to this bumper-sticker: "if it feels good, do it."

2. The wave of vilification of bourgeois culture received impetus from “The Authoritarian Personality,” by Adorno, et. al. which identified antidemocratic indicia such as obedience, and respect for authority. Conservatism, of course, was another name for fascism, and represented personal pathology.

a. "...the ideal of a "patriarchal" family and middle-class respectability is something almost everyone is rebelling against....couples go ten years without tying the knot because they do not want to surrender to bourgeois values. Rebelling against "the establishment" is something that anyone can do.."
Tucker, "Marriage and Civilization: How Monogamy Made Us Human," p. 215-216





3. And the explanation as to why marriage and the two-parent family has given way to a more atavistic scenario is that monogamy is, after all, a cultural construct, meaning that it is not one modeled in nature.

It is an artificial plan that advanced societies impose on themselves. Where did this idea come from? From the experience of mankind throughout history.

a. This is the great contribution of our Judeo-Christian foundation to Western civilization. The principles are worked out over millennia as the result of human interactions and experience, and laid down in the Torah and the Gospels, and implemented through human actions memorialized in what is taught in families.
David Mamet, "The Secret Knowledge."





4. But, it is a difficult code, not one that satisfies everyone's desires, and stigmatizes all manner of deviation:
a. homosexual inclinations,
b. the temptation for dalliance with another's spouse,
c. pre-marital intercourse
d. having children out of wedlock
e. ...and more.

5. Things have changed in many ways.
"Today, vulgar language knows no class, sex, age or place. As late as 1960, sleeping with one's boyfriend was mostly a lower-class thing. It was deemed sluttish and something to be kept secret; today it's open and assumed to be normal…. In some instances, unwed mothers proudly hold baby showers celebrating their illegitimate offspring. Homosexual marriages were unheard of; today, in some jurisdictions, homosexual marriages have legal sanction. Of course, to be judgmental about the new codes of conduct is to risk being labeled a prude and possibly a racist, sexist or a homophobe.” America's New Role Models

6. "Left to their natural state, almost all species end up practicing polygamy, since the strongest males will dominate the physically weaker males and females. Polygamous societies of Islam and tropical Africa and of pre-history are much more 'natural' in that they give vent to a wider range of the deepest human impulses....Monogamy is the end point of civilized behavior that recognizes, however unconsciously, that enforcing the rules creates advantages at the societal level."
Tucker, Op.Cit.


there is NO such thing as Judeo-Christian

Judeo-Christian is a term used by Protestant Christians who either want to deny their anti-Jewish feelings or to enlist Jewish support for a philosophically or religiously questionable enterprise in public policy.

The Jewish Press » » There?s No Such Thing as Judeo-Christian Values

guno, you are good to read when you and your sources are solid.

You and they aren't on this.
 
Polygamy was very very necessary among early peoples. Women simply did not live long enough to raise children.

Many animals are monogamous. The Wolf mates forever. They do not take another mate even when one dies. The bear mates, then the male leaves and never sees the female or cubs again.
 
How ennobling!

You're right there, leading the pack in the race to the bottom.

Why are you bothering taking this public stand against those activites you just described? Why can't you just make a choice to abstain from such exciting behavior in your own personal life and let us experience all the pleasure we desire? Why is our sexual choices even any of your concern?




Why are you so upset at the criticism....

....you recognize a low-life in your behavior?


Good.

What "low-life" about her own behavior has she posted?

Why didn't you answer the question of 'why is the sexual choices other people make your business'?
 
Monogamy.....no, that's not folding paper into swans and flowers.....
...but almost as complicated.
I though this might be appropriate for Mother's Day.





1. Monogamy, being committed to one person.

At one time, monogamy was the culture in America....seems no longer to be the case. It both represents, and has gone the way of, personal responsibility.
As have many other attitudes and values....

a. Envy has become a dominant feature of the culture...
“Since the end of the Second World War, however, a new ‘ethic’ has come into being, according to which the envious man is perfectly acceptable. Progressively fewer individuals and groups are ashamed of their envy, but instead make out that its existence in their temperaments axiomatically proves the existence of ‘social injustice,’ which must be eliminated for their benefit.”
Helmut Schoeck, “Envy: A Theory of Social Behavior,” p. 179

b. Since the 60s, Leftist political dogma has been based on the idea of a 'personal morality," an extension of which is envy, and could be reduced to this bumper-sticker: "if it feels good, do it."

2. The wave of vilification of bourgeois culture received impetus from “The Authoritarian Personality,” by Adorno, et. al. which identified antidemocratic indicia such as obedience, and respect for authority. Conservatism, of course, was another name for fascism, and represented personal pathology.

a. "...the ideal of a "patriarchal" family and middle-class respectability is something almost everyone is rebelling against....couples go ten years without tying the knot because they do not want to surrender to bourgeois values. Rebelling against "the establishment" is something that anyone can do.."
Tucker, "Marriage and Civilization: How Monogamy Made Us Human," p. 215-216





3. And the explanation as to why marriage and the two-parent family has given way to a more atavistic scenario is that monogamy is, after all, a cultural construct, meaning that it is not one modeled in nature.

It is an artificial plan that advanced societies impose on themselves. Where did this idea come from? From the experience of mankind throughout history.

a. This is the great contribution of our Judeo-Christian foundation to Western civilization. The principles are worked out over millennia as the result of human interactions and experience, and laid down in the Torah and the Gospels, and implemented through human actions memorialized in what is taught in families.
David Mamet, "The Secret Knowledge."





4. But, it is a difficult code, not one that satisfies everyone's desires, and stigmatizes all manner of deviation:
a. homosexual inclinations,
b. the temptation for dalliance with another's spouse,
c. pre-marital intercourse
d. having children out of wedlock
e. ...and more.

5. Things have changed in many ways.
"Today, vulgar language knows no class, sex, age or place. As late as 1960, sleeping with one's boyfriend was mostly a lower-class thing. It was deemed sluttish and something to be kept secret; today it's open and assumed to be normal…. In some instances, unwed mothers proudly hold baby showers celebrating their illegitimate offspring. Homosexual marriages were unheard of; today, in some jurisdictions, homosexual marriages have legal sanction. Of course, to be judgmental about the new codes of conduct is to risk being labeled a prude and possibly a racist, sexist or a homophobe.” America's New Role Models

6. "Left to their natural state, almost all species end up practicing polygamy, since the strongest males will dominate the physically weaker males and females. Polygamous societies of Islam and tropical Africa and of pre-history are much more 'natural' in that they give vent to a wider range of the deepest human impulses....Monogamy is the end point of civilized behavior that recognizes, however unconsciously, that enforcing the rules creates advantages at the societal level."
Tucker, Op.Cit.

Interesting. Good topic. What impact do you feel that media censorship or lack of it in today's world has had on monogamy?

Did censorship make our society more monogamous, or did it simply suppress tendencies that were always present?



Thank you.

When you bring up the media, is that with the understanding that the media is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Liberal establishment?

If so....yes, that's the provenance of the problem.

Liberalism is based on exactly the opposite of traditional values: it is based on the idea that every culture, every value is equal, and no one should ever, ever, criticize another.

It certainly accrues votes for the Democrats.

It will result in the death of Western civilization.

Why the continued ignorance about who owns media in the US?
 
Monogamy.....no, that's not folding paper into swans and flowers.....
...but almost as complicated.
I though this might be appropriate for Mother's Day.

1. Monogamy, being committed to one person.

At one time, monogamy was the culture in America....seems no longer to be the case. It both represents, and has gone the way of, personal responsibility.
As have many other attitudes and values....

a. Envy has become a dominant feature of the culture...
“Since the end of the Second World War, however, a new ‘ethic’ has come into being, according to which the envious man is perfectly acceptable. Progressively fewer individuals and groups are ashamed of their envy, but instead make out that its existence in their temperaments axiomatically proves the existence of ‘social injustice,’ which must be eliminated for their benefit.”
Helmut Schoeck, “Envy: A Theory of Social Behavior,” p. 179

b. Since the 60s, Leftist political dogma has been based on the idea of a 'personal morality," an extension of which is envy, and could be reduced to this bumper-sticker: "if it feels good, do it."

2. The wave of vilification of bourgeois culture received impetus from “The Authoritarian Personality,” by Adorno, et. al. which identified antidemocratic indicia such as obedience, and respect for authority. Conservatism, of course, was another name for fascism, and represented personal pathology.

a. "...the ideal of a "patriarchal" family and middle-class respectability is something almost everyone is rebelling against....couples go ten years without tying the knot because they do not want to surrender to bourgeois values. Rebelling against "the establishment" is something that anyone can do.."
Tucker, "Marriage and Civilization: How Monogamy Made Us Human," p. 215-216





3. And the explanation as to why marriage and the two-parent family has given way to a more atavistic scenario is that monogamy is, after all, a cultural construct, meaning that it is not one modeled in nature.

It is an artificial plan that advanced societies impose on themselves. Where did this idea come from? From the experience of mankind throughout history.

a. This is the great contribution of our Judeo-Christian foundation to Western civilization. The principles are worked out over millennia as the result of human interactions and experience, and laid down in the Torah and the Gospels, and implemented through human actions memorialized in what is taught in families.
David Mamet, "The Secret Knowledge."





4. But, it is a difficult code, not one that satisfies everyone's desires, and stigmatizes all manner of deviation:
a. homosexual inclinations,
b. the temptation for dalliance with another's spouse,
c. pre-marital intercourse
d. having children out of wedlock
e. ...and more.

5. Things have changed in many ways.
"Today, vulgar language knows no class, sex, age or place. As late as 1960, sleeping with one's boyfriend was mostly a lower-class thing. It was deemed sluttish and something to be kept secret; today it's open and assumed to be normal…. In some instances, unwed mothers proudly hold baby showers celebrating their illegitimate offspring. Homosexual marriages were unheard of; today, in some jurisdictions, homosexual marriages have legal sanction. Of course, to be judgmental about the new codes of conduct is to risk being labeled a prude and possibly a racist, sexist or a homophobe.” America's New Role Models

6. "Left to their natural state, almost all species end up practicing polygamy, since the strongest males will dominate the physically weaker males and females. Polygamous societies of Islam and tropical Africa and of pre-history are much more 'natural' in that they give vent to a wider range of the deepest human impulses....Monogamy is the end point of civilized behavior that recognizes, however unconsciously, that enforcing the rules creates advantages at the societal level."
Tucker, Op.Cit.


there is NO such thing as Judeo-Christian

Judeo-Christian is a term used by Protestant Christians who either want to deny their anti-Jewish feelings or to enlist Jewish support for a philosophically or religiously questionable enterprise in public policy.

The Jewish Press » » There?s No Such Thing as Judeo-Christian Values

guno, you are good to read when you and your sources are solid.

You and they aren't on this.

As a jew I can speak for other Jews who say the same thing, we never tell christian Judo Christian as we have nothing in common religiously
 
Wasn't all that screwing around at least part of the reason god got ticked off and killed everyone?

For my part, I have often stated I believe that if its between consenting adults, if no one else gets hurt, if children are protected from any possible fall out, it ain't nobody's business and

IF IT FEELS GOOD, DO IT.​


:D




Would that be your deathbed advice to your children....you know, the essential truth that you feel the need to pass on?

Depends. Are you including my entire statement?

...I believe that if its between consenting adults, if no one else gets hurt, if children are protected from any possible fall out, it ain't nobody's business and

IF IT FEELS GOOD, DO IT.​

If you're gonna cherry pick, my answer to your question would be to tell them where the key to the bank safety deposit box is.

JK cuz they already know that.

They also already know that they should live their lives without harming others and keep children from harm.




yeah...you're right.....

...children are much too stupid to notice that their parents are miscreants.

(get the dictionary.)
 
Interesting. Good topic. What impact do you feel that media censorship or lack of it in today's world has had on monogamy?

Did censorship make our society more monogamous, or did it simply suppress tendencies that were always present?



Thank you.

When you bring up the media, is that with the understanding that the media is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Liberal establishment?

If so....yes, that's the provenance of the problem.

Liberalism is based on exactly the opposite of traditional values: it is based on the idea that every culture, every value is equal, and no one should ever, ever, criticize another.

It certainly accrues votes for the Democrats.

It will result in the death of Western civilization.

Why the continued ignorance about who owns media in the US?





So....you deny that the slant of the media is Liberal?


Did you feel it necessary to prove you are a moron?

'Low-life' wasn't enough for one thread?
 
Monogamy.....no, that's not folding paper into swans and flowers.....
...but almost as complicated.
I though this might be appropriate for Mother's Day.

1. Monogamy, being committed to one person.

At one time, monogamy was the culture in America....seems no longer to be the case. It both represents, and has gone the way of, personal responsibility.
As have many other attitudes and values....

a. Envy has become a dominant feature of the culture...
“Since the end of the Second World War, however, a new ‘ethic’ has come into being, according to which the envious man is perfectly acceptable. Progressively fewer individuals and groups are ashamed of their envy, but instead make out that its existence in their temperaments axiomatically proves the existence of ‘social injustice,’ which must be eliminated for their benefit.”
Helmut Schoeck, “Envy: A Theory of Social Behavior,” p. 179

b. Since the 60s, Leftist political dogma has been based on the idea of a 'personal morality," an extension of which is envy, and could be reduced to this bumper-sticker: "if it feels good, do it."

2. The wave of vilification of bourgeois culture received impetus from “The Authoritarian Personality,” by Adorno, et. al. which identified antidemocratic indicia such as obedience, and respect for authority. Conservatism, of course, was another name for fascism, and represented personal pathology.

a. "...the ideal of a "patriarchal" family and middle-class respectability is something almost everyone is rebelling against....couples go ten years without tying the knot because they do not want to surrender to bourgeois values. Rebelling against "the establishment" is something that anyone can do.."
Tucker, "Marriage and Civilization: How Monogamy Made Us Human," p. 215-216





3. And the explanation as to why marriage and the two-parent family has given way to a more atavistic scenario is that monogamy is, after all, a cultural construct, meaning that it is not one modeled in nature.

It is an artificial plan that advanced societies impose on themselves. Where did this idea come from? From the experience of mankind throughout history.

a. This is the great contribution of our Judeo-Christian foundation to Western civilization. The principles are worked out over millennia as the result of human interactions and experience, and laid down in the Torah and the Gospels, and implemented through human actions memorialized in what is taught in families.
David Mamet, "The Secret Knowledge."





4. But, it is a difficult code, not one that satisfies everyone's desires, and stigmatizes all manner of deviation:
a. homosexual inclinations,
b. the temptation for dalliance with another's spouse,
c. pre-marital intercourse
d. having children out of wedlock
e. ...and more.

5. Things have changed in many ways.
"Today, vulgar language knows no class, sex, age or place. As late as 1960, sleeping with one's boyfriend was mostly a lower-class thing. It was deemed sluttish and something to be kept secret; today it's open and assumed to be normal…. In some instances, unwed mothers proudly hold baby showers celebrating their illegitimate offspring. Homosexual marriages were unheard of; today, in some jurisdictions, homosexual marriages have legal sanction. Of course, to be judgmental about the new codes of conduct is to risk being labeled a prude and possibly a racist, sexist or a homophobe.” America's New Role Models

6. "Left to their natural state, almost all species end up practicing polygamy, since the strongest males will dominate the physically weaker males and females. Polygamous societies of Islam and tropical Africa and of pre-history are much more 'natural' in that they give vent to a wider range of the deepest human impulses....Monogamy is the end point of civilized behavior that recognizes, however unconsciously, that enforcing the rules creates advantages at the societal level."
Tucker, Op.Cit.


there is NO such thing as Judeo-Christian

Judeo-Christian is a term used by Protestant Christians who either want to deny their anti-Jewish feelings or to enlist Jewish support for a philosophically or religiously questionable enterprise in public policy.

The Jewish Press » » There?s No Such Thing as Judeo-Christian Values

guno, you are good to read when you and your sources are solid.

You and they aren't on this.

From a christian web site then, a little cockeyed but the essence is true
"It is remarkable that so many people are willing believe that Christianity has something in common with Judaism, even knowing that the Jews do not accept Christ as their personal savior. That fact alone should tell everyone that Christianity has nothing in common with Judaism."

Judaism, Jewish, Christian, Christianity, Judeo Christianity
 
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9. While monogamy is the basis of stable family structure, and a stable social structure as well, there is actually a branch of Liberalism that inveighs against the concept of women choosing to stay at home and raise children...even it is what the woman wishes!
It is called 'Feminism'
but frequently works against the best interests of women, and of society.


a." ...vanguard feminists look down on traditional motherhood and the sphere in which it's found, the family, and they have tried their utmost to undermine the two..... Robin Morgan, founder of the radical feminist group W.I.T.C.H., opined, "We can't destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage."
Feminist Linda Gordon once disgorged, "The nuclear family must be destroyed . ... Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process."
And Rebecca Walker, daughter of Alice Walker of The Color Purple fame, wrote about how her mother disowned her when she became "the sort of woman 64-year-old Alice despises -- a mother."
Articles: The Envious Feminists



b. "Steinem: “[Housewives] are dependent creatures who are still children…parasites.”

Simone de Beauvoir: “No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.”

Betty Friedan: “[Housewives] are mindless and thing-hungry…not people. [Housework] is peculiarly suited to the capacities of feeble-minded girls... [Housewives] are in as much danger as the millions who walked to their own death in the concentration camps. [The] conditions which destroyed the human identity of so many prisoners were not the torture and brutality, but conditions similar to those which destroy the identity of the American housewife.”

Steinem has never been a fan of women who didn’t think like her or buy in to her radical feminist political agenda. “Having someone who looks like us but thinks like them (meaning men) is worse than having no one at all.”
Gloria Steinem Birthday | Comments That Will Shock Today's Young Women





".... until we destroy marriage."

Pretty much a Liberal bumper-sticker.
 
Would that be your deathbed advice to your children....you know, the essential truth that you feel the need to pass on?

Depends. Are you including my entire statement?

...I believe that if its between consenting adults, if no one else gets hurt, if children are protected from any possible fall out, it ain't nobody's business and

IF IT FEELS GOOD, DO IT.​

If you're gonna cherry pick, my answer to your question would be to tell them where the key to the bank safety deposit box is.

JK cuz they already know that.

They also already know that they should live their lives without harming others and keep children from harm.




yeah...you're right.....

...children are much too stupid to notice that their parents are miscreants.

(get the dictionary.)

So taking responsibility for my own actions and for wanting to protect children, I'm a miscreant.

All of this twisting and shouting about monogamy ignores the fact that with the divorce rate at more or less 50%, we're actually serially monogamous.
 
From a christian web site then, a little cockeyed but the essence is true
"It is remarkable that so many people are willing believe that Christianity has something in common with Judaism, even knowing that the Jews do not accept Christ as their personal savior. That fact alone should tell everyone that Christianity has nothing in common with Judaism."

Not mainstream Christian belief. Sorry. It isn't. Judaism and Christianity are step daughters of the Hebrew people and their beliefs. Yes. This is so.
 
From a christian web site then, a little cockeyed but the essence is true
"It is remarkable that so many people are willing believe that Christianity has something in common with Judaism, even knowing that the Jews do not accept Christ as their personal savior. That fact alone should tell everyone that Christianity has nothing in common with Judaism."

Not mainstream Christian belief. Sorry. It isn't. Judaism and Christianity are step daughters of the Hebrew people and their beliefs. Yes. This is so.

Nope Christians may think and hope that. But Jews don't
 
Monogamy.....no, that's not folding paper into swans and flowers.....
...but almost as complicated.
I though this might be appropriate for Mother's Day.





1. Monogamy, being committed to one person.

At one time, monogamy was the culture in America....seems no longer to be the case. It both represents, and has gone the way of, personal responsibility.
As have many other attitudes and values....

a. Envy has become a dominant feature of the culture...
“Since the end of the Second World War, however, a new ‘ethic’ has come into being, according to which the envious man is perfectly acceptable. Progressively fewer individuals and groups are ashamed of their envy, but instead make out that its existence in their temperaments axiomatically proves the existence of ‘social injustice,’ which must be eliminated for their benefit.”
Helmut Schoeck, “Envy: A Theory of Social Behavior,” p. 179

b. Since the 60s, Leftist political dogma has been based on the idea of a 'personal morality," an extension of which is envy, and could be reduced to this bumper-sticker: "if it feels good, do it."

2. The wave of vilification of bourgeois culture received impetus from “The Authoritarian Personality,” by Adorno, et. al. which identified antidemocratic indicia such as obedience, and respect for authority. Conservatism, of course, was another name for fascism, and represented personal pathology.

a. "...the ideal of a "patriarchal" family and middle-class respectability is something almost everyone is rebelling against....couples go ten years without tying the knot because they do not want to surrender to bourgeois values. Rebelling against "the establishment" is something that anyone can do.."
Tucker, "Marriage and Civilization: How Monogamy Made Us Human," p. 215-216





3. And the explanation as to why marriage and the two-parent family has given way to a more atavistic scenario is that monogamy is, after all, a cultural construct, meaning that it is not one modeled in nature.

It is an artificial plan that advanced societies impose on themselves. Where did this idea come from? From the experience of mankind throughout history.

a. This is the great contribution of our Judeo-Christian foundation to Western civilization. The principles are worked out over millennia as the result of human interactions and experience, and laid down in the Torah and the Gospels, and implemented through human actions memorialized in what is taught in families.
David Mamet, "The Secret Knowledge."





4. But, it is a difficult code, not one that satisfies everyone's desires, and stigmatizes all manner of deviation:
a. homosexual inclinations,
b. the temptation for dalliance with another's spouse,
c. pre-marital intercourse
d. having children out of wedlock
e. ...and more.

5. Things have changed in many ways.
"Today, vulgar language knows no class, sex, age or place. As late as 1960, sleeping with one's boyfriend was mostly a lower-class thing. It was deemed sluttish and something to be kept secret; today it's open and assumed to be normal…. In some instances, unwed mothers proudly hold baby showers celebrating their illegitimate offspring. Homosexual marriages were unheard of; today, in some jurisdictions, homosexual marriages have legal sanction. Of course, to be judgmental about the new codes of conduct is to risk being labeled a prude and possibly a racist, sexist or a homophobe.” America's New Role Models

6. "Left to their natural state, almost all species end up practicing polygamy, since the strongest males will dominate the physically weaker males and females. Polygamous societies of Islam and tropical Africa and of pre-history are much more 'natural' in that they give vent to a wider range of the deepest human impulses....Monogamy is the end point of civilized behavior that recognizes, however unconsciously, that enforcing the rules creates advantages at the societal level."
Tucker, Op.Cit.

Thats odd you singled out Islam and Tropical Africa when its known that Europeans practiced having multiple partners as well even while espousing monogamy. That to me makes them (in addition to being hypocrites) just like all other humans.
 
How ennobling!

You're right there, leading the pack in the race to the bottom.

Why are you bothering taking this public stand against those activites you just described? Why can't you just make a choice to abstain from such exciting behavior in your own personal life and let us experience all the pleasure we desire? Why is our sexual choices even any of your concern?

Why are you so upset at the criticism....
....you recognize a low-life in your behavior?
Good.

So... you would attempt to attack my character to avoid answering my honest questions, and to distract everyone from noticing your inability or unwillingness to respond?

Nobody is upset, I'm just wondering why you feel the need to protest against people's sexual behavior when you don't agree with it. No need to get hostile, we can discuss this all civilized like :)
 
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Monogamy, in the history of man, is a recent phenomenon about 2,500 years old, generally embedded in Western culture. The history of mankind is overwhelmingly polygamous.

PC, don't marry another mate, and no one will make you marry another mate, either.

You will be fine.







Why do you always appear a fool?

Ah...yes....because you are a fool.

You rambled on in this fashion: "PC, don't marry another mate, and no one will make you marry another mate, either.

You will be fine."


This is not about me...but about societal values....have someone explain the following to you, and they may be able to show you what is not "fine."



a." ...vanguard feminists look down on traditional motherhood and the sphere in which it's found, the family, and they have tried their utmost to undermine the two..... Robin Morgan, founder of the radical feminist group W.I.T.C.H., opined, "We can't destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage."
Feminist Linda Gordon once disgorged, "The nuclear family must be destroyed . ... Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process."
And Rebecca Walker, daughter of Alice Walker of The Color Purple fame, wrote about how her mother disowned her when she became "the sort of woman 64-year-old Alice despises -- a mother."
Articles: The Envious Feminists



b. "Steinem: “[Housewives] are dependent creatures who are still children…parasites.”

Simone de Beauvoir: “No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.”



You'd have to be an imbecile not to notice the ever-increasing statistic of out of wedlock children.....

...but you are an imbecile, aren't you.
 
Why are you bothering taking this public stand against those activites you just described? Why can't you just make a choice to abstain from such exciting behavior in your own personal life and let us experience all the pleasure we desire? Why is our sexual choices even any of your concern?

Why are you so upset at the criticism....
....you recognize a low-life in your behavior?
Good.

So... you would attempt to attack my character to avoid answering my honest questions, and to distract everyone from noticing your inability or unwillingness to respond?

Nobody is upset, I'm just wondering why you feel the need to protest against people's sexual behavior when you don't agree with it. No need to get hostile, we can discuss this all civilized like :)




Because I tell the truth.
You were 'honest' about your behaviors, and I was honest about my view of same.

Why are you so sensitive about your inclinations?

Hostile?

It seems you realize what the problem with your revelation is, and can't stand the criticism.



You should meditate on the reason for your hypersensitivity to criticism.....not used to honesty?
 
Depends. Are you including my entire statement?



If you're gonna cherry pick, my answer to your question would be to tell them where the key to the bank safety deposit box is.

JK cuz they already know that.

They also already know that they should live their lives without harming others and keep children from harm.




yeah...you're right.....

...children are much too stupid to notice that their parents are miscreants.

(get the dictionary.)

So taking responsibility for my own actions and for wanting to protect children, I'm a miscreant.

All of this twisting and shouting about monogamy ignores the fact that with the divorce rate at more or less 50%, we're actually serially monogamous.




"...divorce rate at more or less 50%, ..."


You can't seem to get anything right.

Government schooling, huh?


1. "Contradicting the endless New York Times articles celebrating "the new American family," "blended families" and "quasi marriages," a recent census report says that only 12 percent of Americans will be married as many as two times in their entire lives. Only 3 percent will be married three or more times.

(The "one of every two marriages will end in divorce" canard comes from comparing the number of marriages in a given year to the number of divorces that same year -- but the divorces could be from any of the millions of marriages consummated in the prior several decades. Serial divorcers also bring the "average" divorce rate way up.)"
Why Larry King Will Never Be President | Human Events




2. "Fifty percent of American marriages are not ending in divorce. It's fiction. A myth. A tragically discouraging urban legend.
If there's no credible evidence that half of American marriages will end up in divorce court, where did that belief originate?

In his book Inside America in 1984, pollster Louis Harris said that only about 11 or 12 percent of people who had ever been married had ever been divorced. Researcher George Barna's most recent survey of Americans in 2001 estimates that 34 percent of those who have ever been married have ever been divorced. \

One of the latest reports about divorce was released this year by the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS). It is based on a 1995 federal study of nearly 11,000 women ages 15-44. It predicted that one-third of new marriages among younger people will end in divorce within 10 years and 43 percent within 15 years."
Fifty Percent of American Marriages End in Divorce-Fiction!



There is a term for idiots who believe every Liberal myth.....they're called 'low information voters."
Raise your paw.
 
This is the great contribution of our Judeo-Christian foundation to Western civilization. The principles are worked out over millennia as the result of human interactions and experience, and laid down in the Torah and the Gospels, and implemented through human actions memorialized in what is taught in families.
David Mamet, "The Secret Knowledge."

Clearly David Mamet doesn't know jackshit about history.

Trying to pass off MONOGOMY as a Judeo-Christian invention is as ignorant as it is ethnocentric.

Unless of course you and he really ARE just that ignorant, PC. (in which case you are both merely ethnocentic)

The ancient Hebrews, as but one example, were NOT monogamous.

The early Christian Church did not believe in marriage as they though the end of the world was neigh.

Marriage is not remotely a Christian or Hebrew invention///neither is monogamy.
 

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