Monogamy, A History

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Monogamy.....no, that's not folding paper into swans and flowers.....
...but almost as complicated.
I though this might be appropriate for Mother's Day.





1. Monogamy, being committed to one person.

At one time, monogamy was the culture in America....seems no longer to be the case. It both represents, and has gone the way of, personal responsibility.
As have many other attitudes and values....

a. Envy has become a dominant feature of the culture...
“Since the end of the Second World War, however, a new ‘ethic’ has come into being, according to which the envious man is perfectly acceptable. Progressively fewer individuals and groups are ashamed of their envy, but instead make out that its existence in their temperaments axiomatically proves the existence of ‘social injustice,’ which must be eliminated for their benefit.”
Helmut Schoeck, “Envy: A Theory of Social Behavior,” p. 179

b. Since the 60s, Leftist political dogma has been based on the idea of a 'personal morality," an extension of which is envy, and could be reduced to this bumper-sticker: "if it feels good, do it."

2. The wave of vilification of bourgeois culture received impetus from “The Authoritarian Personality,” by Adorno, et. al. which identified antidemocratic indicia such as obedience, and respect for authority. Conservatism, of course, was another name for fascism, and represented personal pathology.

a. "...the ideal of a "patriarchal" family and middle-class respectability is something almost everyone is rebelling against....couples go ten years without tying the knot because they do not want to surrender to bourgeois values. Rebelling against "the establishment" is something that anyone can do.."
Tucker, "Marriage and Civilization: How Monogamy Made Us Human," p. 215-216





3. And the explanation as to why marriage and the two-parent family has given way to a more atavistic scenario is that monogamy is, after all, a cultural construct, meaning that it is not one modeled in nature.

It is an artificial plan that advanced societies impose on themselves. Where did this idea come from? From the experience of mankind throughout history.

a. This is the great contribution of our Judeo-Christian foundation to Western civilization. The principles are worked out over millennia as the result of human interactions and experience, and laid down in the Torah and the Gospels, and implemented through human actions memorialized in what is taught in families.
David Mamet, "The Secret Knowledge."





4. But, it is a difficult code, not one that satisfies everyone's desires, and stigmatizes all manner of deviation:
a. homosexual inclinations,
b. the temptation for dalliance with another's spouse,
c. pre-marital intercourse
d. having children out of wedlock
e. ...and more.

5. Things have changed in many ways.
"Today, vulgar language knows no class, sex, age or place. As late as 1960, sleeping with one's boyfriend was mostly a lower-class thing. It was deemed sluttish and something to be kept secret; today it's open and assumed to be normal…. In some instances, unwed mothers proudly hold baby showers celebrating their illegitimate offspring. Homosexual marriages were unheard of; today, in some jurisdictions, homosexual marriages have legal sanction. Of course, to be judgmental about the new codes of conduct is to risk being labeled a prude and possibly a racist, sexist or a homophobe.” America's New Role Models

6. "Left to their natural state, almost all species end up practicing polygamy, since the strongest males will dominate the physically weaker males and females. Polygamous societies of Islam and tropical Africa and of pre-history are much more 'natural' in that they give vent to a wider range of the deepest human impulses....Monogamy is the end point of civilized behavior that recognizes, however unconsciously, that enforcing the rules creates advantages at the societal level."
Tucker, Op.Cit.
 
7. Monogamy is hardly ever found in nature, in the wild. It marks a higher level of civilization...one to which we should aspire.
In juxtaposition to civilized behavior, it should be obvious that Liberalism is a step in the opposite direction, endorsing behaviors and attitudes found lower species....




a. ".... a women’s studies professor and a psychology professor at Western Carolina University co-sponsored a panel on bondage and S&M. The purpose of the panel was to teach college students how to inflict pain on themselves and others for sexual pleasure.... At UNC Chapel Hill, there is a feminist professor who believes that women can lead happy lives without men...she thinks women can form lifelong domestic partnerships with dogs and that those relationships will actually be fulfilling enough to replace marital relationships with men...."
An Embarrassment to Higher Education | Clash Daily




b. On Feb. 21, the 600 Northwestern University students enrolled in the popular Human Sexuality course taught by professor John Michael Bailey were told that if they wished to stay after class -- it was clearly made optional -- they would see a live demonstration of female ejaculation, the subject of that day's class. A naked young woman (not a student) would demonstrate a "f---saw" and come to orgasm in front of the students.

About 120 students stayed. When word came out about this contribution to young people's understanding of life, the university defended it.

Its official spokesman, Al Cubbage, released this statement: "Northwestern University faculty members engage in teaching and research on a wide variety of topics, some of them controversial and at the leading edge of their respective disciplines. The university supports the efforts of its faculty to further the advancement of knowledge." …In Bailey's class and Mr. Cubbage's statement, we have reached the logical culmination of the '60s and '70s. Instead of studying Dead White European Males, students get to study a young white living female ejaculating with a f---saw…. For four years, the American college student is taught that human beings are animals…. the exhibition is no different than watching a female baboon having sex. http://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2011/03/08/the_$50,000_orgasm/page/2





c. "GILFORD, NH (CBS) – A Gilford, New Hampshire father is in trouble with the law after he complained to school board members about a controversial book.... His 14-year-old daughter was assigned to read the book called “19 Minutes” by Jodi Picoult, for her Gilford High School English class..... There is some controversial material in the book, including a sex scene. “It reads like a transcript for a triple X porno movie,” said Baer. " Father Arrested For Protesting Racy Novel At NH High School « CBS Boston
[This was the first review of the book, on Amazon: "This book is a piece of trash. Nothing more than porn. I am disgusted that some teachers are requiring their students to read this."]
 
I bet the children of Adam and Eve had a good time being monogamous with the inlaws.....

Wasn't all that screwing around at least part of the reason god got ticked off and killed everyone?

For my part, I have often stated I believe that if its between consenting adults, if no one else gets hurt, if children are protected from any possible fall out, it ain't nobody's business and

IF IT FEELS GOOD, DO IT.​


:D
 
I bet the children of Adam and Eve had a good time being monogamous with the inlaws.....

Wasn't all that screwing around at least part of the reason god got ticked off and killed everyone?

For my part, I have often stated I believe that if its between consenting adults, if no one else gets hurt, if children are protected from any possible fall out, it ain't nobody's business and

IF IT FEELS GOOD, DO IT.​


:D




Would that be your deathbed advice to your children....you know, the essential truth that you feel the need to pass on?
 
Monogamy, in the history of man, is a recent phenomenon about 2,500 years old, generally embedded in Western culture. The history of mankind is overwhelmingly polygamous.

PC, don't marry another mate, and no one will make you marry another mate, either.

You will be fine.
 
8. While monogamy is certainly an artificial construct as compared to the animal kingdom, it would be an error to suppose our behaviors cannot alter our biology.



a. "Married men experience lower levels of testosterone and a marked reduction of aggressive behavior....Research has shown that monogamous men even suppress their awareness of attractive females when their wives become pregnant."
Tucker, Op. Cit.


b. "There is plenty of evidence that human beings are indeed happiest when living in stable, long-term marriages and- not incidentally- their children are much better off as well."
Ibid.


c. "..., in humans, it is a mistake to underestimate the environmental pressure of social norms. The human record suggests that social norms, especially the universal one of marriage, can reinforce fathers’ ties to their children, which in turn might even become part of the male neural architecture."
Femina Sapiens in the Nursery by Kay S. Hymowitz, City Journal Autumn 2009
 
Monogamy, in the history of man, is a recent phenomenon about 2,500 years old, generally embedded in Western culture. The history of mankind is overwhelmingly polygamous.

PC, don't marry another mate, and no one will make you marry another mate, either.

You will be fine.

Hold on a second Jake...2,500 years old is recent? And what is this 'Western' stuff? Last I saw, China is pretty much a monogamous culture...over a billion people.

.
 
I bet the children of Adam and Eve had a good time being monogamous with the inlaws.....

Wasn't all that screwing around at least part of the reason god got ticked off and killed everyone?

For my part, I have often stated I believe that if its between consenting adults, if no one else gets hurt, if children are protected from any possible fall out, it ain't nobody's business and

IF IT FEELS GOOD, DO IT.​


:D




Would that be your deathbed advice to your children....you know, the essential truth that you feel the need to pass on?

Depends. Are you including my entire statement?

...I believe that if its between consenting adults, if no one else gets hurt, if children are protected from any possible fall out, it ain't nobody's business and

IF IT FEELS GOOD, DO IT.​

If you're gonna cherry pick, my answer to your question would be to tell them where the key to the bank safety deposit box is.

JK cuz they already know that.

They also already know that they should live their lives without harming others and keep children from harm.
 
Monogamy.....no, that's not folding paper into swans and flowers.....
...but almost as complicated.
I though this might be appropriate for Mother's Day.





1. Monogamy, being committed to one person.

At one time, monogamy was the culture in America....seems no longer to be the case. It both represents, and has gone the way of, personal responsibility.
As have many other attitudes and values....

a. Envy has become a dominant feature of the culture...
“Since the end of the Second World War, however, a new ‘ethic’ has come into being, according to which the envious man is perfectly acceptable. Progressively fewer individuals and groups are ashamed of their envy, but instead make out that its existence in their temperaments axiomatically proves the existence of ‘social injustice,’ which must be eliminated for their benefit.”
Helmut Schoeck, “Envy: A Theory of Social Behavior,” p. 179

b. Since the 60s, Leftist political dogma has been based on the idea of a 'personal morality," an extension of which is envy, and could be reduced to this bumper-sticker: "if it feels good, do it."

2. The wave of vilification of bourgeois culture received impetus from “The Authoritarian Personality,” by Adorno, et. al. which identified antidemocratic indicia such as obedience, and respect for authority. Conservatism, of course, was another name for fascism, and represented personal pathology.

a. "...the ideal of a "patriarchal" family and middle-class respectability is something almost everyone is rebelling against....couples go ten years without tying the knot because they do not want to surrender to bourgeois values. Rebelling against "the establishment" is something that anyone can do.."
Tucker, "Marriage and Civilization: How Monogamy Made Us Human," p. 215-216





3. And the explanation as to why marriage and the two-parent family has given way to a more atavistic scenario is that monogamy is, after all, a cultural construct, meaning that it is not one modeled in nature.

It is an artificial plan that advanced societies impose on themselves. Where did this idea come from? From the experience of mankind throughout history.

a. This is the great contribution of our Judeo-Christian foundation to Western civilization. The principles are worked out over millennia as the result of human interactions and experience, and laid down in the Torah and the Gospels, and implemented through human actions memorialized in what is taught in families.
David Mamet, "The Secret Knowledge."





4. But, it is a difficult code, not one that satisfies everyone's desires, and stigmatizes all manner of deviation:
a. homosexual inclinations,
b. the temptation for dalliance with another's spouse,
c. pre-marital intercourse
d. having children out of wedlock
e. ...and more.

5. Things have changed in many ways.
"Today, vulgar language knows no class, sex, age or place. As late as 1960, sleeping with one's boyfriend was mostly a lower-class thing. It was deemed sluttish and something to be kept secret; today it's open and assumed to be normal…. In some instances, unwed mothers proudly hold baby showers celebrating their illegitimate offspring. Homosexual marriages were unheard of; today, in some jurisdictions, homosexual marriages have legal sanction. Of course, to be judgmental about the new codes of conduct is to risk being labeled a prude and possibly a racist, sexist or a homophobe.” America's New Role Models

6. "Left to their natural state, almost all species end up practicing polygamy, since the strongest males will dominate the physically weaker males and females. Polygamous societies of Islam and tropical Africa and of pre-history are much more 'natural' in that they give vent to a wider range of the deepest human impulses....Monogamy is the end point of civilized behavior that recognizes, however unconsciously, that enforcing the rules creates advantages at the societal level."
Tucker, Op.Cit.

Interesting. Good topic. What impact do you feel that media censorship or lack of it in today's world has had on monogamy?

Did censorship make our society more monogamous, or did it simply suppress tendencies that were always present?
 
Personally I find most things BDSM-related to be incredibly exciting.




How ennobling!

You're right there, leading the pack in the race to the bottom.

Why are you bothering taking this public stand against those activites you just described? Why can't you just make a choice to abstain from such exciting behavior in your own personal life and let us experience all the pleasure we desire? Why is our sexual choices even any of your concern?
 
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Monogamy, in the history of man, is a recent phenomenon about 2,500 years old, generally embedded in Western culture. The history of mankind is overwhelmingly polygamous.

PC, don't marry another mate, and no one will make you marry another mate, either.

You will be fine.

Hold on a second Jake...2,500 years old is recent? And what is this 'Western' stuff? Last I saw, China is pretty much a monogamous culture...over a billion people..

The world was polygamous almost universally until some of the Persians and the Greeks before the common era. Before Roman Christianity, Europe western and eastern were polygamous, Scandinavia, Vikings, so forth. The First Peoples were polygamous. The Asians had wives and concubines galore.

Only since the rise of Western (white male European culture) has monogamy made inroads on marriage and family patterns.

My concern is not religious, because many of the early Jewish converts had more than one wife. And I really don't care what Catholicism or evangelicalism or whatever has to say about it.

However, I am very concerned that men don't use the system to abuse women and children. We have seen how terrible David Koresh, James Jones, Warren Jeffs, etc., and their perversions have rocked the US in the last 35 years.
 
Monogamy, in the history of man, is a recent phenomenon about 2,500 years old, generally embedded in Western culture. The history of mankind is overwhelmingly polygamous.

PC, don't marry another mate, and no one will make you marry another mate, either.

You will be fine.

Hold on a second Jake...2,500 years old is recent? And what is this 'Western' stuff? Last I saw, China is pretty much a monogamous culture...over a billion people..

The world was polygamous almost universally until some of the Persians and the Greeks before the common era. Before Roman Christianity, Europe western and eastern were polygamous, Scandinavia, Vikings, so forth. The First Peoples were polygamous. The Asians had wives and concubines galore.

Only since the rise of Western (white male European culture) has monogamy made inroads on marriage and family patterns.

My concern is not religious, because many of the early Jewish converts had more than one wife. And I really don't care what Catholicism or evangelicalism or whatever has to say about it.

However, I am very concerned that men don't use the system to abuse women and children. We have seen how terrible David Koresh, James Jones, Warren Jeffs, etc., and their perversions have rocked the US in the last 35 years.

IMO, that is where our concern should be.

While its true that its religious people who have pushed for polygamy and practiced it in the past, I don't believe its a religious issue. The abuse of women and children does not take place ONLY in an ultra-religious atmosphere.

Get it out in the open, deal with it legally and do whatever we can to protect those who cannot protect themselves.
 
Who said:

"Hogamous, Higamous men are polygamous.
Higamous, Hogamous women monogamous."

Hint:

It is said (correctly???) that on his gravestone it says:

"Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker"
 
Monogamy.....no, that's not folding paper into swans and flowers.....
...but almost as complicated.
I though this might be appropriate for Mother's Day.





1. Monogamy, being committed to one person.

At one time, monogamy was the culture in America....seems no longer to be the case. It both represents, and has gone the way of, personal responsibility.
As have many other attitudes and values....

a. Envy has become a dominant feature of the culture...
“Since the end of the Second World War, however, a new ‘ethic’ has come into being, according to which the envious man is perfectly acceptable. Progressively fewer individuals and groups are ashamed of their envy, but instead make out that its existence in their temperaments axiomatically proves the existence of ‘social injustice,’ which must be eliminated for their benefit.”
Helmut Schoeck, “Envy: A Theory of Social Behavior,” p. 179

b. Since the 60s, Leftist political dogma has been based on the idea of a 'personal morality," an extension of which is envy, and could be reduced to this bumper-sticker: "if it feels good, do it."

2. The wave of vilification of bourgeois culture received impetus from “The Authoritarian Personality,” by Adorno, et. al. which identified antidemocratic indicia such as obedience, and respect for authority. Conservatism, of course, was another name for fascism, and represented personal pathology.

a. "...the ideal of a "patriarchal" family and middle-class respectability is something almost everyone is rebelling against....couples go ten years without tying the knot because they do not want to surrender to bourgeois values. Rebelling against "the establishment" is something that anyone can do.."
Tucker, "Marriage and Civilization: How Monogamy Made Us Human," p. 215-216





3. And the explanation as to why marriage and the two-parent family has given way to a more atavistic scenario is that monogamy is, after all, a cultural construct, meaning that it is not one modeled in nature.

It is an artificial plan that advanced societies impose on themselves. Where did this idea come from? From the experience of mankind throughout history.

a. This is the great contribution of our Judeo-Christian foundation to Western civilization. The principles are worked out over millennia as the result of human interactions and experience, and laid down in the Torah and the Gospels, and implemented through human actions memorialized in what is taught in families.
David Mamet, "The Secret Knowledge."





4. But, it is a difficult code, not one that satisfies everyone's desires, and stigmatizes all manner of deviation:
a. homosexual inclinations,
b. the temptation for dalliance with another's spouse,
c. pre-marital intercourse
d. having children out of wedlock
e. ...and more.

5. Things have changed in many ways.
"Today, vulgar language knows no class, sex, age or place. As late as 1960, sleeping with one's boyfriend was mostly a lower-class thing. It was deemed sluttish and something to be kept secret; today it's open and assumed to be normal…. In some instances, unwed mothers proudly hold baby showers celebrating their illegitimate offspring. Homosexual marriages were unheard of; today, in some jurisdictions, homosexual marriages have legal sanction. Of course, to be judgmental about the new codes of conduct is to risk being labeled a prude and possibly a racist, sexist or a homophobe.” America's New Role Models

6. "Left to their natural state, almost all species end up practicing polygamy, since the strongest males will dominate the physically weaker males and females. Polygamous societies of Islam and tropical Africa and of pre-history are much more 'natural' in that they give vent to a wider range of the deepest human impulses....Monogamy is the end point of civilized behavior that recognizes, however unconsciously, that enforcing the rules creates advantages at the societal level."
Tucker, Op.Cit.


there is NO such thing as Judeo-Christian

Judeo-Christian is a term used by Protestant Christians who either want to deny their anti-Jewish feelings or to enlist Jewish support for a philosophically or religiously questionable enterprise in public policy.

The Jewish Press » » There?s No Such Thing as Judeo-Christian Values
 
Monogamy.....no, that's not folding paper into swans and flowers.....
...but almost as complicated.
I though this might be appropriate for Mother's Day.





1. Monogamy, being committed to one person.

At one time, monogamy was the culture in America....seems no longer to be the case. It both represents, and has gone the way of, personal responsibility.
As have many other attitudes and values....

a. Envy has become a dominant feature of the culture...
“Since the end of the Second World War, however, a new ‘ethic’ has come into being, according to which the envious man is perfectly acceptable. Progressively fewer individuals and groups are ashamed of their envy, but instead make out that its existence in their temperaments axiomatically proves the existence of ‘social injustice,’ which must be eliminated for their benefit.”
Helmut Schoeck, “Envy: A Theory of Social Behavior,” p. 179

b. Since the 60s, Leftist political dogma has been based on the idea of a 'personal morality," an extension of which is envy, and could be reduced to this bumper-sticker: "if it feels good, do it."

2. The wave of vilification of bourgeois culture received impetus from “The Authoritarian Personality,” by Adorno, et. al. which identified antidemocratic indicia such as obedience, and respect for authority. Conservatism, of course, was another name for fascism, and represented personal pathology.

a. "...the ideal of a "patriarchal" family and middle-class respectability is something almost everyone is rebelling against....couples go ten years without tying the knot because they do not want to surrender to bourgeois values. Rebelling against "the establishment" is something that anyone can do.."
Tucker, "Marriage and Civilization: How Monogamy Made Us Human," p. 215-216





3. And the explanation as to why marriage and the two-parent family has given way to a more atavistic scenario is that monogamy is, after all, a cultural construct, meaning that it is not one modeled in nature.

It is an artificial plan that advanced societies impose on themselves. Where did this idea come from? From the experience of mankind throughout history.

a. This is the great contribution of our Judeo-Christian foundation to Western civilization. The principles are worked out over millennia as the result of human interactions and experience, and laid down in the Torah and the Gospels, and implemented through human actions memorialized in what is taught in families.
David Mamet, "The Secret Knowledge."





4. But, it is a difficult code, not one that satisfies everyone's desires, and stigmatizes all manner of deviation:
a. homosexual inclinations,
b. the temptation for dalliance with another's spouse,
c. pre-marital intercourse
d. having children out of wedlock
e. ...and more.

5. Things have changed in many ways.
"Today, vulgar language knows no class, sex, age or place. As late as 1960, sleeping with one's boyfriend was mostly a lower-class thing. It was deemed sluttish and something to be kept secret; today it's open and assumed to be normal…. In some instances, unwed mothers proudly hold baby showers celebrating their illegitimate offspring. Homosexual marriages were unheard of; today, in some jurisdictions, homosexual marriages have legal sanction. Of course, to be judgmental about the new codes of conduct is to risk being labeled a prude and possibly a racist, sexist or a homophobe.” America's New Role Models

6. "Left to their natural state, almost all species end up practicing polygamy, since the strongest males will dominate the physically weaker males and females. Polygamous societies of Islam and tropical Africa and of pre-history are much more 'natural' in that they give vent to a wider range of the deepest human impulses....Monogamy is the end point of civilized behavior that recognizes, however unconsciously, that enforcing the rules creates advantages at the societal level."
Tucker, Op.Cit.


there is NO such thing as Judeo-Christian

Judeo-Christian is a term used by Protestant Christians who either want to deny their anti-Jewish feelings or to enlist Jewish support for a philosophically or religiously questionable enterprise in public policy.

The Jewish Press » » There?s No Such Thing as Judeo-Christian Values

The Myth of a Judeo-Christian Tradition

"The comments of Jewish author Mr. S. Levin may well explain the Christian's need for the Judeo-Christian myth. Writing in the Israeli journal Biblical Polemics, Levin concludes: "'After all, we worship the same God', the Christian always says to the Jew and the Jew never to the Christian. The Jew knows that he does not worship the Christ-God but the Christian orphan needs to worship the God of Israel and so, his standard gambit rolls easily and thoughtlessly from his lips. It is a strictly unilateral affirmation, limited to making a claim on the God of Israel but never invoked with reference to other gods. A Christian never confronts a Moslem or a Hindu with 'After all, we worship the same God'."

The Myth of a Judeo-Christian Tradition
 
Personally I find most things BDSM-related to be incredibly exciting.




How ennobling!

You're right there, leading the pack in the race to the bottom.

Why are you bothering taking this public stand against those activites you just described? Why can't you just make a choice to abstain from such exciting behavior in your own personal life and let us experience all the pleasure we desire? Why is our sexual choices even any of your concern?




Why are you so upset at the criticism....

....you recognize a low-life in your behavior?


Good.
 

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