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Separation and/or divorce seems like a much more rational option, at least here in the USA, but that's just me, I guess.
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At least she didn't cut his dick off. That's a real problem in some cultures.
NEW YORK A devout Muslim woman told police she slashed her husband's neck with a kitchen knife as he slept because he forced her to eat pork, wear short skirts and drink alcohol in violation of her religious beliefs.
Rabia Sarwar, 37, pleaded not guilty to attempted murder and was freed on $25,000 bail. She told police in a written statement that she was emotionally abused by her husband, Seikh Naseem.
"He made me do so many things that are against Islam," she wrote in a statement to police.
"I did all that just to make him happy but inside me there was a war," she continued.
Naseem suffered cuts to his neck, cheek and hand early Wednesday before fighting Sarwar off and dialing 911 from his Staten Island home, authorities said.
"I did my best to cut his throat," Rabia Sarwar wrote. "But the next moment he jumped on me and grabbed me."
Read more at: Rabia Sarwar Tried To Slit Husband Sheikh Naseem's Throat For Making Her Eat Pork, Wear Short Skirts
Good for her.
There may be moderate muslims, more than likely they are just posing , Trojan horses for fundamentalism, there is no moderate Islam.
I thought the definition of a moderate Muslim was an Arab who was out of ammunition.
If Islam really wanted to stop terrorism all it would take would be a campaign to clearly state that terrorism is wrong, terrorists are criminals, and suicide bombers that kill don't get 76-virgins, they get hell.
Since Islam doesn't stop terrorism, one must conclude that Islam condones and supports it. So tell me again why we let them in the US??
I thought the definition of a moderate Muslim was an Arab who was out of ammunition.
If Islam really wanted to stop terrorism all it would take would be a campaign to clearly state that terrorism is wrong, terrorists are criminals, and suicide bombers that kill don't get 76-virgins, they get hell.
Since Islam doesn't stop terrorism, one must conclude that Islam condones and supports it. So tell me again why we let them in the US??
There are many Muslim groups who try to teach peaceful Islam, and try to reverse the damage done by the fundamentalists. But it isn't easy when the militant groups who brainwash the uneducated and dirt poor, mainly teenagers, promise their lives will be richer if they fight the "infidels," their recruiting is more successful.
If Islam really wanted to stop terrorism all it would take would be a campaign to clearly state that terrorism is wrong, terrorists are criminals, and suicide bombers that kill don't get 76-virgins, they get hell.
Since Islam doesn't stop terrorism, one must conclude that Islam condones and supports it. So tell me again why we let them in the US??
There are many Muslim groups who try to teach peaceful Islam, and try to reverse the damage done by the fundamentalists. But it isn't easy when the militant groups who brainwash the uneducated and dirt poor, mainly teenagers, promise their lives will be richer if they fight the "infidels," their recruiting is more successful.
plus they have people like you who support their violence
PoliticalChic's thread title is very misleading.
This isn't about political differences in Islam.
It's about domestic and spouse abuse which takes place in every culture reguardless of religion.
Nothing here to see......so I'll just move on
There are many Muslim groups who try to teach peaceful Islam, and try to reverse the damage done by the fundamentalists. But it isn't easy when the militant groups who brainwash the uneducated and dirt poor, mainly teenagers, promise their lives will be richer if they fight the "infidels," their recruiting is more successful.
plus they have people like you who support their violence
And where did you get that, moron?
PoliticalChic's thread title is very misleading.
This isn't about political differences in Islam.
It's about domestic and spouse abuse which takes place in every culture reguardless of religion.
Nothing here to see......so I'll just move on
except in the woman's own words she did it because he made her do things outside her religious beliefs, so don't try to bullshit the troops, it's all about religion.
plus they have people like you who support their violence
And where did you get that, moron?
from right here, moron!
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1667153-post19.html
There may be moderate muslims, more than likely they are just posing , Trojan horses for fundamentalism, there is no moderate Islam.
Was the OP planning on putting forth an argument?
even under 'Pain of DEATH' advocated by the Koran for changing Religion.
Was the OP planning on putting forth an argument?
I posted the item because, noir tho' it may be, it struck me as funny.
Also, I augmented my thoughts a few items after the OP.
On the other hand, if you flesh out your critique, I'd be happy to engage.
There may be moderate muslims, more than likely they are just posing , Trojan horses for fundamentalism, there is no moderate Islam.
Yep. People like to equate the word 'Moderate' into everything. In this case you either subscribe to the Koran, or you don't.
Thinking there are 'Moderate'Muslims' is wishful thinking. And to those that think they are 'Moderate' in their faith should get out of it...even under 'Pain of DEATH' advocated by the Koran for changing Religion.
even under 'Pain of DEATH' advocated by the Koran for changing Religion.
Per which verse?
Was the OP planning on putting forth an argument?
I posted the item because, noir tho' it may be, it struck me as funny.
Also, I augmented my thoughts a few items after the OP.
On the other hand, if you flesh out your critique, I'd be happy to engage.
My critique of what? If you're attempting to draw conclusions about a fifth of the world's population based on that incident, no criticism from me is necessary.
Let's look into this.
Punishment by death for apostasy from Islam is firmly rooted in the most holy Muslim texts -- both the Koran (verses such as 2:217 and 4:89)
They ask thee about fighting in the sacred month. Say: fighting it is a grave (offense). And hindering from Allah's way and denying Him and the Sacred Mosque and turning its people out of it, are still graver with Allah; and persecution is graver with Allah; and persecution (fitna - persecution, trial, etc.) is graver than slaughter. And they will not cease fighting you until they turn you back from your religion, if they can. And whoever of you turns back from his religion, then he dies while an unbeliever -- these it is whose works go for nothing in this world and the Hereafter. And they are the companions of the Fire: therein they will abide. - 2:217
This ayah condemns those who attempt to proselytize Muslims and who prevent them from worshiping freely in the Masjid al-Haram. Moreover, it's made clear that the disbelievers being referenced are "fighting" Muslims with the intent of making them convert to another religion. Of those who abandon Islam, it is said that anything that they may accomplish is nullified in the sight of Allah (SWT) and that they'll receive their due punishment in the hereafter. No earthly punishment is prescribed, so the claim that this ayah provides justification for executing apostates is dishonest and inaccurate. The next ayah you cite proves my point rather than yours. Let's read it along with the ayah that immediately follows it:
They long that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved so that you might be on the same level; so take not from among them friends until they flee in Allah’s way. Then if they turn back, seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take no friend nor helper from among them, except those who join a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you and fight you not and offer you peace, then Allah allows you no way against them. - 4:89-90
The passage hardly requires an explanation. If the person in question "withdraws" from the Muslims (ie: becomes an apostate), attacking him is not permissible unless he takes up arms against Muslims.
and the hadith (i.e., collections of the putative words and deeds of the Muslim prophet Muhammad, as compiled by pious Muslim transmitters),
Narrated Jabir: A bedouin came to the Prophet and said, "Please take my Pledge of allegiance for Islam." So the Prophet took from him the Pledge of allegiance for Islam. He came the next day with a fever and said to the Prophet "Cancel my pledge." But the Prophet refused and when the bedouin went away (from Madinah,) the Prophet said, "Madinah is like a pair of bellows: It expels its impurities and brightens and clears its good."
- Sahih Bukhari, Ahkaam ("Judgements"), no. 323.
The same hadith is reported in nos. 316 and 318 of that book as well as no. 107 of Virtues of Madinah and no. 424 of Holding Fast to the Quran and Sunnah.
More:
Is Apostasy a Capital Crime in Islam? - IslamOnline.net - Living Sharia'h
Sharia is derived from the Qur'an and Ahadith. Law with no firm basis in scripture is not Sharia.
See the link above.
This is untrue. The Shafi'i Grand Mufti, Ali Gomaa, does not believe that apostasy is a capital offense under Islam.
Ali Gomaa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nope. Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri disagrees.
Hosein-Ali Montazeri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Middle Ages were a period of particularly high intolerance in Islam. A legal opinion issued during that period was not necessarily reflective of the actual teachings of the religion.Averroes (d. 1198), the renowned philosopher and scholar of the natural sciences, who was also an important Maliki jurist, provided this typical Muslim legal opinion on the punishment for apostasy
Reliance of the Traveler is not contemporary; it was written by Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri (d. 1367 CE.) You're referring to the 1990 translation of that work by Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller. The Shafi'i position on apostasy was articulated by Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa; see above.The contemporary (i.e., 1991) Al-Azhar (Cairo) Islamic Research Academy-endorsed Shafi'i manual of Islamic Law, 'Umdat al-Salik (pp. 595-96) states:
You'll forgive me for not addressing the rest of the post, as it deals with individuals whose opinions hold no real weight in Islam.
Wa 'alaykum as-salam.
Were you referring to your support for attempted murder? Or, perhaps, one of your funny, funny jokes?No, not an argument.
Perchance if you read the entire thread, you will see the basis for the posting.
I thought the definition of a moderate Muslim was an Arab who was out of ammunition.
You must have missed the bulletin.
Terrorism is over since they re-interpreted the phrase as either 72-raisins, or a 7 foot Persian.