Missouri Lawmaker Says Consensual Rape in Debate About New Abortion Laws

[Correll]

1. Your desire to move the goal post is denied. Please consider yourself laughed at.

2. Plenty of woman legislators out there voting on laws that control men's bodies. I don't have a problem with that. It is a woman legislators job to vote on such laws. Only a gender baiting asshole would pretend it was not.

How did I try to move the goal post? I asked you from the very beginning to name a law that only affects men's bodies... just like my initial statement. The majority of these laws are being written and passed by men... men that can never get pregnant. You know, just like this guy who said "consensual rape."

Do you think if he went to prison and a guy said he could either let him rape him or die... and he said he could rape him, if that is consensual rape?

YOu were discussing laws that effect a woman's body. The "only" was added later, in order to move the goal posts.



This is you being dishonest.


Your speculation about what he meant, is self serving at best, and asshole of you at worst.

I'm sorry, can you name a law dealing with pregnancy and abortion that is equivalent for men? Of course you can't, and your petty arguing won't change that.

I addressed that.


You could have tried to offer counter points, to defend you added on "just". But that would involve honestly defending your position, something you are afraid to do.



So, instead you just restate your question, even though I have already pointed out that it was moving the goal post and not reasonable.



That you made no effort to defend it, and instead just repeated it, shows that you are a dishonest and cowardly person.

I have nothing to 'defend' with you. Your argument is wrong on many levels, least of which is moral.

Wait... stop me here, is moral a p.c. term?

I pointed out a serious flaw with your point, and instead of defending your argument, you just repeated it.


That is you losing. YOu just admitted that you cannot defend your point.


Indeed, by not even trying, you are admitting that you knew it was shit when you posted it.


I repeat my question to you. WHat do you think he meant by that term?

 

[MacTheKnife]

Women are vulnurable and that is why in the past they were taught to be much more careful than they now are...now on the one hand they want to be treated or allowed the same behavior patterns of men but cry foul when it is proven to them they are weaker and more vulnurable than men.

It is called learning the hard way.

aka...a hard dick aint got no conscience.

 

[Correll]

Lots of laws control people's bodies.

Does it bother you when a woman gets to vote on laws that control men's bodies, or are you a complete hypocrite just spewing shit?

Name a law that controls only men's bodies.

That was a poor moving of the goal posts. I give it a 4.


Try again lefty.



Lots of laws control people's bodies.

Does it bother you when a woman gets to vote on laws that control men's bodies, or are you a complete hypocrite just spewing shit?

She asked for a law that controls men’s bodies

You failed to provide one

She moved the goal posts to hide from the truth, ie that woman legislators are always voting on laws to control men's bodies.


I will be happy to give an example of a law that controls men's bodies.


The law against Murder.

"Woman [sic] legislators are always voting on laws to control men's bodies".....I am still waiting for an example....any example...just one example.


BTW...in case you were uninformed....women also can be charged and convicted of murder. Did you not know that?

What is the difference between voting on something that controls people's bodies, and voting on something that controls only a subset of people's bodies?

 

[bodecea]

Yep... plus he is a former law enforcement officer.

"A Missouri state lawmaker was met with hisses when he used the phrase "consensual rape" during a highly charged House debate on a bill that would ban abortions at eight weeks, including in cases of rape and incest.

Republican Rep. Barry Hovis, of Cape Girardeau, said in the chamber Friday that most of the sexual assaults he handled before retiring from law enforcement weren't strangers "jumping out of the bushes" but instead "date rapes or consensual rapes.""

Missouri lawmaker tries to walk back 'consensual rape' remark

These are the idiots making laws for people...



Can someone please define consensual rape?

These are the people in the GOP voting in Red states to control women's bodies.

women can do what they want with their bodys,,,its the child that is being killed and thats not her body

Child? This from a poster who thinks that it's ok to have sex with a woman who is saying "No"..........

A lot of women say no ....not really meaning it. Thus some men get confused and if they are under the influence of something it is much more difficult for them to have a clear understanding of what is going on.

Times have changed and men should by now understand the risk they are taking even having consensual sex...especially if they are vulnurable to blackmail....aka....being well known in the community, being famous, being wealthy etc.



Let us face this truthfully and it is not a pleasant topic....a lot of women have rape fantasy's....what is to be made of that?

It is also well known that many if not most raped women have very intense orgasms whilst being raped....it is something they cannot control....their bodies are hard wired like this...and it is this fact that make a lot of them suffer intense guilt over being raped...aka the fact they got such intense pleasure from the act.

It is also known that there is a higher percentage of raped women getting pregnant from rape than from consensual sex....what is to be made of that? Most likely due to the intense orgasms they experience from this form of sex.

There are different forms of rape....the worst being those women who are horribly beaten not even to mention those who are killed by the rapist.

It is a complex topic but it is very clear that women have complex reactions to being raped and some handle it much better than others.

The guilt over the pleasure they get from the act causes many to suffer psychological problems...they cannot reconcile their pleasure with the horrific act...it makes them feel complicit and that is also another reason why many of them do not report they were raped.

It is also well known that some women out of some kind of distorted hatred and desire for revenge etc. will accuse men of rape who are innocent...and this has been known for a long time...hence the laws requiring women to present some actual evidence of being raped.

Though now this has changed drastically....just the word of the woman now carries much more weight than ever previously....and thus it is much more likely now that a innocent man will if not actually convicted of something he did not do will suffer grievious damage to his reputation.

I think it wrong generally speaking to blame the woman for getting raped...many of them deserve criticism for placing themselves in a situation where they became vulnurable or associated with people that they should have known better than to associate with.

Ultimately the jury has to make a decision...but juries are not well informed enough of the complexities of rape.

"A lot of women"? How many?

 

[bodecea]

Lots of laws control people's bodies.

Does it bother you when a woman gets to vote on laws that control men's bodies, or are you a complete hypocrite just spewing shit?

Name a law that controls only men's bodies.

That was a poor moving of the goal posts. I give it a 4.


Try again lefty.



Lots of laws control people's bodies.

Does it bother you when a woman gets to vote on laws that control men's bodies, or are you a complete hypocrite just spewing shit?

She asked for a law that controls men’s bodies

You failed to provide one

She moved the goal posts to hide from the truth, ie that woman legislators are always voting on laws to control men's bodies.


I will be happy to give an example of a law that controls men's bodies.


The law against Murder.

That's a law that only control's men's bodies?

I'm still waiting for an example that is legit....tho it is odd that a poster would think that murder laws only are designed for men. Really strange, that.

 

[Correll]

Lots of laws control people's bodies.

Does it bother you when a woman gets to vote on laws that control men's bodies, or are you a complete hypocrite just spewing shit?

Name a law that controls only men's bodies.

That was a poor moving of the goal posts. I give it a 4.


Try again lefty.



Lots of laws control people's bodies.

Does it bother you when a woman gets to vote on laws that control men's bodies, or are you a complete hypocrite just spewing shit?

She asked for a law that controls men’s bodies

You failed to provide one

She moved the goal posts to hide from the truth, ie that woman legislators are always voting on laws to control men's bodies.


I will be happy to give an example of a law that controls men's bodies.


The law against Murder.

Which laws are those?
You have yet to identify them

Are you really so stupid, that you missed that I just posted an example, when I said, here is an example?


Or are you just so insanely reflexively dishonest, that you just posted shit, that was so obviously shit, that no one watching can believe how bad you are at lying?


Seriously. What the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[bodecea]

Misspeaks? Consensual rape is him misspeaking? He went into full detail beforehand to try and classify that there are some rapes worse than others... trying to justify why abortion shouldn't be legal even in the case of rape.

He did not misspeak.

Consensual rape is not a contradiction in terms. It's buyer's remorse on the part of the woman and even though it shouldn't be called rape, because at the time it was consensual, any woman can claim after the fact it was rape.
It's just a by product of our society where women are treated like victims and men are always assumed to be beasts.

How easy it is for a male to claim a woman had...as you call it..."buyer's remorse." What a pleasant term for being raped, eh?

 

[bodecea]

These are the people in the GOP voting in Red states to control women's bodies.

This is what happens when a bunch of men get together to create a law that involves a woman's body.

Lots of laws control people's bodies.

Does it bother you when a woman gets to vote on laws that control men's bodies, or are you a complete hypocrite just spewing shit?

oh, do tell of these laws that women get to vote on that only control men's bodies. You know, the ones equivalent to pregnancy. Also that wasn't what I said. This is a bunch of men with few to ZERO women writing and voting on these laws. Just like the last Republican attempt at a health care plan where there was ZERO women allowed to help write it, even ZERO Republican women.

1. Your desire to move the goal post is denied. Please consider yourself laughed at.

2. Plenty of woman legislators out there voting on laws that control men's bodies. I don't have a problem with that. It is a woman legislators job to vote on such laws. Only a gender baiting asshole would pretend it was not.

How did I try to move the goal post? I asked you from the very beginning to name a law that only affects men's bodies... just like my initial statement. The majority of these laws are being written and passed by men... men that can never get pregnant. You know, just like this guy who said "consensual rape."

Do you think if he went to prison and a guy said he could either let him rape him or die... and he said he could rape him, if that is consensual rape?

Maybe the guy in prison said "no" but really meant "yes". Maybe he had "buyer's remorse".

 

[Correll]

These are the people in the GOP voting in Red states to control women's bodies.

This is what happens when a bunch of men get together to create a law that involves a woman's body.

Lots of laws control people's bodies.

Does it bother you when a woman gets to vote on laws that control men's bodies, or are you a complete hypocrite just spewing shit?

Name a law that just controls men's bodies.....name one.

I already laughed at you for moving the goal post you coward.


What more do you want from me?

Still waiting to see you provide us with an example of just one law that controls only men's bodies. No goalpost was moved....however, I am seeing a lot of deflection and avoidance on your part.

The idea that a male legislator is not qualified to vote on a law that effects woman's bodies, because he is not a woman, is utterly senseless.


You show that you know this, because you have made no attempt to defend or explain it at all.


All you do, is keep repeating it. Like a fucking asshole.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Just imagine, if you would, if males kept their pants zipped until they knew for sure that this was "the one".....

Imagine if women did likewise (an absurd concept, I know).

 

[Correll]

Yep... plus he is a former law enforcement officer.

"A Missouri state lawmaker was met with hisses when he used the phrase "consensual rape" during a highly charged House debate on a bill that would ban abortions at eight weeks, including in cases of rape and incest.

Republican Rep. Barry Hovis, of Cape Girardeau, said in the chamber Friday that most of the sexual assaults he handled before retiring from law enforcement weren't strangers "jumping out of the bushes" but instead "date rapes or consensual rapes.""

Missouri lawmaker tries to walk back 'consensual rape' remark

These are the idiots making laws for people...



Can someone please define consensual rape?

These are the people in the GOP voting in Red states to control women's bodies.

women can do what they want with their bodys,,,its the child that is being killed and thats not her body

Child? This from a poster who thinks that it's ok to have sex with a woman who is saying "No"..........

A lot of women say no ....not really meaning it. Thus some men get confused and if they are under the influence of something it is much more difficult for them to have a clear understanding of what is going on.

Times have changed and men should by now understand the risk they are taking even having consensual sex...especially if they are vulnurable to blackmail....aka....being well known in the community, being famous, being wealthy etc.



Let us face this truthfully and it is not a pleasant topic....a lot of women have rape fantasy's....what is to be made of that?

It is also well known that many if not most raped women have very intense orgasms whilst being raped....it is something they cannot control....their bodies are hard wired like this...and it is this fact that make a lot of them suffer intense guilt over being raped...aka the fact they got such intense pleasure from the act.

It is also known that there is a higher percentage of raped women getting pregnant from rape than from consensual sex....what is to be made of that? Most likely due to the intense orgasms they experience from this form of sex.

There are different forms of rape....the worst being those women who are horribly beaten not even to mention those who are killed by the rapist.

It is a complex topic but it is very clear that women have complex reactions to being raped and some handle it much better than others.

The guilt over the pleasure they get from the act causes many to suffer psychological problems...they cannot reconcile their pleasure with the horrific act...it makes them feel complicit and that is also another reason why many of them do not report they were raped.

It is also well known that some women out of some kind of distorted hatred and desire for revenge etc. will accuse men of rape who are innocent...and this has been known for a long time...hence the laws requiring women to present some actual evidence of being raped.

Though now this has changed drastically....just the word of the woman now carries much more weight than ever previously....and thus it is much more likely now that a innocent man will if not actually convicted of something he did not do will suffer grievious damage to his reputation.

I think it wrong generally speaking to blame the woman for getting raped...many of them deserve criticism for placing themselves in a situation where they became vulnurable or associated with people that they should have known better than to associate with.

Ultimately the jury has to make a decision...but juries are not well informed enough of the complexities of rape.

It is also well known that many if not most raped women have very intense orgasms whilst being raped....it is something they cannot control....their bodies are hard wired like this...and it is this fact that make a lot of them suffer intense guilt over being raped...aka the fact they got such intense pleasure from the act.



Damn, you live in a rape fantasy world

Link.

 

[bodecea]

Can someone please define consensual rape?

Consensual rape is when a woman decides after the fact that the sex she had with some poor guy was rape.
If the term consensual rape seems idiotic that's because it is but many men, mostly college students, have discovered after a night of consensual sex that they have been charged with rape so there you are.

A ridiculous name for a ridiculous "crime".

Just imagine, if you would, if males kept their pants zipped until they knew for sure that this was "the one".....

Birth rate drops even more, as normal courtship breaksdown.


The next generation is even more dominated by those men who dont' play by the rules, as they get far more play, and the rules following men stand on the sidelines.



Women end up more and more with men who treat them like shit, because all the good guys were told to wait for clear communication that never came.


SOund about right?

Why is it that men feel that it's acceptable to not "play by the rules"? Do they have fathers that teach them that? Do males have this over-blown sense of entitlement when it comes to women's bodies?

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

How easy it is for a male to claim a woman had...as you call it..."buyer's remorse." What a pleasant term for being raped, eh?

It's not "rape" if sex was truly consensual at the time. You aren't very good at conceptual thinking, are you.

 

[OldLady]

Yep... plus he is a former law enforcement officer.

"A Missouri state lawmaker was met with hisses when he used the phrase "consensual rape" during a highly charged House debate on a bill that would ban abortions at eight weeks, including in cases of rape and incest.

Republican Rep. Barry Hovis, of Cape Girardeau, said in the chamber Friday that most of the sexual assaults he handled before retiring from law enforcement weren't strangers "jumping out of the bushes" but instead "date rapes or consensual rapes.""

Missouri lawmaker tries to walk back 'consensual rape' remark

These are the idiots making laws for people...



Can someone please define consensual rape?

These are the people in the GOP voting in Red states to control women's bodies.

women can do what they want with their bodys,,,its the child that is being killed and thats not her body

Child? This from a poster who thinks that it's ok to have sex with a woman who is saying "No"..........

A lot of women say no ....not really meaning it. Thus some men get confused and if they are under the influence of something it is much more difficult for them to have a clear understanding of what is going on.

Times have changed and men should by now understand the risk they are taking even having consensual sex...especially if they are vulnurable to blackmail....aka....being well known in the community, being famous, being wealthy etc.



Let us face this truthfully and it is not a pleasant topic....a lot of women have rape fantasy's....what is to be made of that?

It is also well known that many if not most raped women have very intense orgasms whilst being raped....it is something they cannot control....their bodies are hard wired like this...and it is this fact that make a lot of them suffer intense guilt over being raped...aka the fact they got such intense pleasure from the act.

It is also known that there is a higher percentage of raped women getting pregnant from rape than from consensual sex....what is to be made of that? Most likely due to the intense orgasms they experience from this form of sex.

There are different forms of rape....the worst being those women who are horribly beaten not even to mention those who are killed by the rapist.

It is a complex topic but it is very clear that women have complex reactions to being raped and some handle it much better than others.

The guilt over the pleasure they get from the act causes many to suffer psychological problems...they cannot reconcile their pleasure with the horrific act...it makes them feel complicit and that is also another reason why many of them do not report they were raped.

It is also well known that some women out of some kind of distorted hatred and desire for revenge etc. will accuse men of rape who are innocent...and this has been known for a long time...hence the laws requiring women to present some actual evidence of being raped.

Though now this has changed drastically....just the word of the woman now carries much more weight than ever previously....and thus it is much more likely now that a innocent man will if not actually convicted of something he did not do will suffer grievious damage to his reputation.

I think it wrong generally speaking to blame the woman for getting raped...many of them deserve criticism for placing themselves in a situation where they became vulnurable or associated with people that they should have known better than to associate with.

Ultimately the jury has to make a decision...but juries are not well informed enough of the complexities of rape.

I'm pretty curious how you know about the strength of women's orgasms during rape. Something you have personally observed, or something you read in Playboy?

 

[bodecea]

oh, do tell of these laws that women get to vote on that only control men's bodies. You know, the ones equivalent to pregnancy. Also that wasn't what I said. This is a bunch of men with few to ZERO women writing and voting on these laws. Just like the last Republican attempt at a health care plan where there was ZERO women allowed to help write it, even ZERO Republican women.

1. Your desire to move the goal post is denied. Please consider yourself laughed at.

2. Plenty of woman legislators out there voting on laws that control men's bodies. I don't have a problem with that. It is a woman legislators job to vote on such laws. Only a gender baiting asshole would pretend it was not.

How did I try to move the goal post? I asked you from the very beginning to name a law that only affects men's bodies... just like my initial statement. The majority of these laws are being written and passed by men... men that can never get pregnant. You know, just like this guy who said "consensual rape."

Do you think if he went to prison and a guy said he could either let him rape him or die... and he said he could rape him, if that is consensual rape?

YOu were discussing laws that effect a woman's body. The "only" was added later, in order to move the goal posts.



This is you being dishonest.


Your speculation about what he meant, is self serving at best, and asshole of you at worst.

This is rich.

This politician said, "consensual rape," and you are trying to call me an asshole. Along with your post of defending him by saying that "consensual rape" is just not p.c., nothing wrong with it.

You're a hoot!

The way that you ridiculed me, while making no attempt to actually answer the question, ie what do you think he meant,


proves me accusation to be true, ie,



You are an asshole.

Just calling names at someone does NOT answer the question as to what laws are written that control only men's bodies....it just shows that you've got no answer. The more you insult, the more obvious it is.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Why is it that men feel that it's acceptable to not "play by the rules"? Do they have fathers that teach them that? Do males have this over-blown sense of entitlement when it comes to women's bodies?

You can start to correct yourself by not treating every single man as an amoral beast. Not every man is a rapist.
I don't know if someone has told you this, and you stupidly assumed it was true or if that's your view of every single man you've ever come across because there is something wrong with your thought processes.

You are a flaming mess in any event.

 

[Correll]

Name a law that controls only men's bodies.

That was a poor moving of the goal posts. I give it a 4.


Try again lefty.



Lots of laws control people's bodies.

Does it bother you when a woman gets to vote on laws that control men's bodies, or are you a complete hypocrite just spewing shit?

She asked for a law that controls men’s bodies

You failed to provide one

She moved the goal posts to hide from the truth, ie that woman legislators are always voting on laws to control men's bodies.


I will be happy to give an example of a law that controls men's bodies.


The law against Murder.

That's a law that only control's men's bodies?

I'm still waiting for an example that is legit....tho it is odd that a poster would think that murder laws only are designed for men. Really strange, that.

Women lawmakers vote on murder laws. Those laws end up controlling the bodies of men.


I have already laughed at you for the "just" moving of the goal posts. Your refusal to even try to defend that line of reasoning, shows that you know it is shit.




At this point, I have answered your question, and you are just playing stupid games to try to hide from the fact that you can't make an argument at all.

 

[caddo kid]

Women are vulnurable and that is why in the past they were taught to be much more careful than they now are...now on the one hand they want to be treated or allowed the same behavior patterns of men but cry foul when it is proven to them they are weaker and more vulnurable than men.

It is called learning the hard way.

aka...a hard dick aint got no conscience.

spoken like a true Trumpian ..........

 

[MacTheKnife]

Nature has developed a very intense desire for males and females to have sex. To insure the propagation of the species.


Society has set up rules governing the sexual behavior of men because of their frequent display they cannot or are unwilling to control their aggressive sexual nature in many cases.

Otherwise there would be much more rape than occurs now...that cannot be denied.

Look at scenarios where there is no law and order ...i.e. when Russian troops overran Germany...there was hardly a woman that was not raped in areas controlled by Russia...no matter the age of the female.

So men must accept a lot if not most of the blame for rape of women. Not to forget that in prison...that stronger men rape weaker men. You hear little about that...no one seems too concerned about that....not even liberals. The reasoning on that usually goes well they are criminals so no need to get concerned about that.

Also overlooked is the rape of men by other men in the Armed Forces.....something that did not occur very often in the past....but since the integration of the services it has gradually increased to a crisis point and has generated some concern in recent years....thous the main cause of it is overlooked...the desire of negroes to have sex with white women or white men....and that combined with rhip...rank has its privelege where black men often are in positions of power over white men and white women aka outrank them...gives them the opportunity to exploit that advantage whilst also making it difficult for someone to report anyone who outranks them.

 

[bodecea]

Name a law that controls only men's bodies.

That was a poor moving of the goal posts. I give it a 4.


Try again lefty.



Lots of laws control people's bodies.

Does it bother you when a woman gets to vote on laws that control men's bodies, or are you a complete hypocrite just spewing shit?

She asked for a law that controls men’s bodies

You failed to provide one

She moved the goal posts to hide from the truth, ie that woman legislators are always voting on laws to control men's bodies.


I will be happy to give an example of a law that controls men's bodies.


The law against Murder.

Which laws are those?
You have yet to identify them

Are you really so stupid, that you missed that I just posted an example, when I said, here is an example?


Or are you just so insanely reflexively dishonest, that you just posted shit, that was so obviously shit, that no one watching can believe how bad you are at lying?


Seriously. What the fuck is wrong with you?

I remember a few months back, you saying on a thread that you don't like when people are rude and insulting to others on threads.........