Mississippi HS Marching Band pulled from Halftime performance because of "How great thou art"

[guno]

Praying in public does not establish any particular religion, however banning all prayer establishes atheism as the national religion

As soon as a goyim preacher says in jebus name we bray at the end of a prayer it sure does promote christianity

 

[guno]

Losing our freedoms one Democrat appointed judge at a time

and some will cheer this. Transformation means destroying our history and life long traditions.

It is a public school paid for all people including non christers, that christer crap has no place in public schools, that why churches are tax free so they can debase themselves and grovel to the man god on two stick or the baby jebus, Public schools are for all people

we all have the right to free speech, that includes religion

The Constitution is being followed until you leftist ***** force people to not speak about religion

your hate is what's killing America

Oh one of low IQ the SC has ruled many times on religion and the exercise of religion and where it cannot be , schools are places where students are captive

 

[ogibillm]

There's more to this story than was mentioned in the OP. A federal court order was issued back in July prohibiting the school district from participating in any religious activity or soliciting such activity while at school or during any school event. The district continued promoting Christianity during school hours and was fined $7500 for doing so. The decision to disallow the band to perform its halftime show with the hymn intact was reportedly made in order to avoid being fined again, but it's pretty clear that this was done in part for the sake of publicity. The real issue here involves the rightness or wrongness of preventing a publicly funded school district from actively promoting Christianity.

no one is forcing anyone to worship.

that's the difference

leftist pretend it's force, when it's not, then go fucking overboard. they won't be happy until you can't say god or jesus outside of church, assuming they allow churches to stand, since you have to travel on tax payer roads to get to them.

at that school they were. they held a school assembly that promoted christianity and forced attendance.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Praying in public does not establish any particular religion, however banning all prayer establishes atheism as the national religion

Praying in a school assembly by an administrator is indeed forcing religion on others. Santa Fe learned that the hard way twice.

Playing music at half time is another matter all together.

 

[JakeStarkey]

This is indeed political correctness gone way too far, and after the link and quotes, I will give my opinion as to why.

Brandon High School Band pulled from football game performance

BRANDON, MS (Mississippi News Now) -

The Brandon High School Band did not perform at halftime during the season-opening game Friday night. A statement from the Rankin County School District says a July federal court order is the reason the band was banned from Friday night's halftime show.

The band had been slated to perform the hymn "How Great Thou Art."

The district made the decision to ban the halftime show after learning the hymn was included in the performance.

"It bothers me because you look at the schools and all of the school shootings and all the bad things that are happening, and wonder why. It's because we're allowing evil to step in," parent Kimberly Moore said.

Moore and dozens of parents and students sang the hymn during halftime Friday night in response to those who banned its performance.

U.S. District Judge Carlton Reeves issued a court order on July 10, which said "defendants are permanently enjoined from including prayer, religious sermons or activities in any school sponsored event including but not limited to assemblies, graduations, award ceremonies, athletic events and any other school event. That means administrators, teachers and staff of the Rankin County School District may not participate in any religious activity, or solicit or encourage religious activities at school or while performing duties as a RCSD employee.”

At a number of extreme RW sites, they are howling about this. Some, however, are noting that this would also mean that muslim prayers and music are also forbidden. I must say, their howling is justified, but often not for the reasons they are stating. And no, Obama didn't cause this to happen, thank you.

I personally have a HUGE problem with this, for music is a universal language. If you ban music repertoire that has any relation to religion, then you automatically kill about 3/4 of really good singable repertoire for choirs, select ensembles, up and coming young singers and so forth. This would mean that 99% of anything that J.S. Bach wrote would be prohibited, because in virtually every piece he wrote, mostly for the Thomanerchor at the Church of Thomas in Leipzig, is written "In deo soli gloria" (solely to the glory of G-d). Or the wonderful American folksongs arranged by Aaron Copland, for instance "At the River". I guess this also cuts out a large majority of good transcriptions for Trombone Choir, because a great deal of it is based on church music, for instance, reams and reams of notes for Mennonite Trombone ensemble. How about the really incredible Masses, Requiems, Verspers and such for Solists, Choir and Orchestra by composers such as Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Haydn and Verdi, not to mention the same from many modern composers? Jon Rutter's "Gloria"? Wow. Randall Thompson's "Allelujah"? Wow. This is all staple-repertoire for every up and coming vocal ensemble in the USA. How about any song that even has the word "spirit" in it for any purpose? There are tons of Symphonic Band works with religious themes as their material, for instance, a Grade V arrangement of "Amazing Grace", a Grade VI "Danses Sacred and Profane", Reed's "Russian Christmas Music", Press' "Wedding Dance" (from the Jewish Suite "Hassaneh"), McBeth's "Kaddish", Dello Joio's "Variations on a medieval tune" - the tune being "I dulci jubilo". How about the famous evening Prayer from Humperdinck's "Hänsel und Gretel", arranged for all sorts of musical ensembles?

Let's face it: a majority of original band, choir and orchestra compositions and a much larger majority of transcriptions for such are based on religious themes.

I mean, what the fuck? Obviously, this judge did not think far enough about the wide-reaching consequences of his judgement.

This kind of music may have started as music for "the Church", but it has become a major device for teaching young singers and instrumentalists the basics of good, solid, playable music. Remove this music and a huge chunk of really good learning material disappears, What's next, patriotic songs?

No, no, no, no, no!

This is wrong. This is very, very very wrong.

If a HS Band in a community that likes this kind of repertoire wants to play it, they should be able to play it. It's neither an endorsement of any form or Christianity nor is it a condemnation of such. It's just good music.

That is exactly what happened when God was forbidden in our public schools, in the 1960's
It took out so much teaching of our American History, just like now with the music.

No, it did not. Religious history is all through the public school history courses.

 

[ogibillm]

Praying in public does not establish any particular religion, however banning all prayer establishes atheism as the national religion

Praying in a school assembly by an administrator is indeed forcing religion on others. Santa Fe learned that the hard way twice.

Playing music at half time is another matter all together.

playing music is different, although this example stinks.
has anyone ever been to a football game where a slow hymn is played at halftime? seems like it was someone's attempt to skirt the rules or to gin up outrage. seems they got the outrage.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Praying in public does not establish any particular religion, however banning all prayer establishes atheism as the national religion

As soon as a goyim preacher says in jebus name we bray at the end of a prayer it sure does promote christianity

But it does not establish

 

[JakeStarkey]

The kids have the right to play the music. The school administrator is wrong to pray at a schol assembly. The anti-god militants are wrong to insist that we teach our classes devoid of the religious history and influences in those disciplines.

The militant atheists are not going to tell the rest of us what is going to happen anymore than the militant religionists in our public schools and public activities.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Praying in public does not establish any particular religion, however banning all prayer establishes atheism as the national religion

Praying in a school assembly by an administrator is indeed forcing religion on others. Santa Fe learned that the hard way twice.

Playing music at half time is another matter all together.

The Constitution uses the word ESTABLISH how does a prayer establish Christianity as the national religion, komrade Jake

 

[ogibillm]

Praying in public does not establish any particular religion, however banning all prayer establishes atheism as the national religion

Praying in a school assembly by an administrator is indeed forcing religion on others. Santa Fe learned that the hard way twice.

Playing music at half time is another matter all together.

The Constitution uses the word ESTABLISH how does a prayer establish Christianity as the national religion, komrade Jake

your argument isn't with jake, it's with the supreme court.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Praying in public does not establish any particular religion, however banning all prayer establishes atheism as the national religion

Praying in a school assembly by an administrator is indeed forcing religion on others. Santa Fe learned that the hard way twice.

Playing music at half time is another matter all together.

The Constitution uses the word ESTABLISH how does a prayer establish Christianity as the national religion, komrade Jake

SCOTUS says differently, old friend. Read either of the Santa Fe cases.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

I don't get this. If there was no singing of the song and just a band playing it, how could anyone take issue with it when you know that not everyone there would have known what is being played in the first place?

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. To me, not having a person sing the song is a fair enough compromise. Those who happen to like the song will appreciate it being played even if no one is singing it.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

This is indeed political correctness gone way too far, and after the link and quotes, I will give my opinion as to why.

Brandon High School Band pulled from football game performance

BRANDON, MS (Mississippi News Now) -

The Brandon High School Band did not perform at halftime during the season-opening game Friday night. A statement from the Rankin County School District says a July federal court order is the reason the band was banned from Friday night's halftime show.

The band had been slated to perform the hymn "How Great Thou Art."

The district made the decision to ban the halftime show after learning the hymn was included in the performance.

"It bothers me because you look at the schools and all of the school shootings and all the bad things that are happening, and wonder why. It's because we're allowing evil to step in," parent Kimberly Moore said.

Moore and dozens of parents and students sang the hymn during halftime Friday night in response to those who banned its performance.

U.S. District Judge Carlton Reeves issued a court order on July 10, which said "defendants are permanently enjoined from including prayer, religious sermons or activities in any school sponsored event including but not limited to assemblies, graduations, award ceremonies, athletic events and any other school event. That means administrators, teachers and staff of the Rankin County School District may not participate in any religious activity, or solicit or encourage religious activities at school or while performing duties as a RCSD employee.”

At a number of extreme RW sites, they are howling about this. Some, however, are noting that this would also mean that muslim prayers and music are also forbidden. I must say, their howling is justified, but often not for the reasons they are stating. And no, Obama didn't cause this to happen, thank you.

I personally have a HUGE problem with this, for music is a universal language. If you ban music repertoire that has any relation to religion, then you automatically kill about 3/4 of really good singable repertoire for choirs, select ensembles, up and coming young singers and so forth. This would mean that 99% of anything that J.S. Bach wrote would be prohibited, because in virtually every piece he wrote, mostly for the Thomanerchor at the Church of Thomas in Leipzig, is written "In deo soli gloria" (solely to the glory of G-d). Or the wonderful American folksongs arranged by Aaron Copland, for instance "At the River". I guess this also cuts out a large majority of good transcriptions for Trombone Choir, because a great deal of it is based on church music, for instance, reams and reams of notes for Mennonite Trombone ensemble. How about the really incredible Masses, Requiems, Verspers and such for Solists, Choir and Orchestra by composers such as Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Haydn and Verdi, not to mention the same from many modern composers? Jon Rutter's "Gloria"? Wow. Randall Thompson's "Allelujah"? Wow. This is all staple-repertoire for every up and coming vocal ensemble in the USA. How about any song that even has the word "spirit" in it for any purpose? There are tons of Symphonic Band works with religious themes as their material, for instance, a Grade V arrangement of "Amazing Grace", a Grade VI "Danses Sacred and Profane", Reed's "Russian Christmas Music", Press' "Wedding Dance" (from the Jewish Suite "Hassaneh"), McBeth's "Kaddish", Dello Joio's "Variations on a medieval tune" - the tune being "I dulci jubilo". How about the famous evening Prayer from Humperdinck's "Hänsel und Gretel", arranged for all sorts of musical ensembles?

Let's face it: a majority of original band, choir and orchestra compositions and a much larger majority of transcriptions for such are based on religious themes.

I mean, what the fuck? Obviously, this judge did not think far enough about the wide-reaching consequences of his judgement.

This kind of music may have started as music for "the Church", but it has become a major device for teaching young singers and instrumentalists the basics of good, solid, playable music. Remove this music and a huge chunk of really good learning material disappears, What's next, patriotic songs?

No, no, no, no, no!

This is wrong. This is very, very very wrong.

If a HS Band in a community that likes this kind of repertoire wants to play it, they should be able to play it. It's neither an endorsement of any form or Christianity nor is it a condemnation of such. It's just good music.

Your concern over removing religious music from the public square reminds me of the movie I believe it's called the day after. It involves people in New York holding up in the public library while a bitter ice storm heads towards the north. In order to keep warm they look for books to burn. One of the characters who is an atheist takes hold of the Gutenberg Bible to keep it safe. When asked why is he saving the Bible he says it's important to at least have some proof of Western civilization.

 

[Statistikhengst]

There's more to this story than was mentioned in the OP. A federal court order was issued back in July prohibiting the school district from participating in any religious activity or soliciting such activity while at school or during any school event. The district continued promoting Christianity during school hours and was fined $7500 for doing so. The decision to disallow the band to perform its halftime show with the hymn intact was reportedly made in order to avoid being fined again, but it's pretty clear that this was done in part for the sake of publicity. The real issue here involves the rightness or wrongness of preventing a publicly funded school district from actively promoting Christianity.

no one is forcing anyone to worship.

that's the difference

leftist pretend it's force, when it's not, then go fucking overboard. they won't be happy until you can't say god or jesus outside of church, assuming they allow churches to stand, since you have to travel on tax payer roads to get to them.

Not necessarily. You know, there are also a lot of people of faith on the Left.

You and bernie.

that's a couple, not a lot.

and forcing censorship of religion but letting your politics be taught in school is fucking wrong on any level and not something a group of people that have a lot of people of faith would allow.

Oh, there are more than just two of us. Don't fool yourself.

 

[Statistikhengst]

This is indeed political correctness gone way too far, and after the link and quotes, I will give my opinion as to why.

Brandon High School Band pulled from football game performance

BRANDON, MS (Mississippi News Now) -

The Brandon High School Band did not perform at halftime during the season-opening game Friday night. A statement from the Rankin County School District says a July federal court order is the reason the band was banned from Friday night's halftime show.

The band had been slated to perform the hymn "How Great Thou Art."

The district made the decision to ban the halftime show after learning the hymn was included in the performance.

"It bothers me because you look at the schools and all of the school shootings and all the bad things that are happening, and wonder why. It's because we're allowing evil to step in," parent Kimberly Moore said.

Moore and dozens of parents and students sang the hymn during halftime Friday night in response to those who banned its performance.

U.S. District Judge Carlton Reeves issued a court order on July 10, which said "defendants are permanently enjoined from including prayer, religious sermons or activities in any school sponsored event including but not limited to assemblies, graduations, award ceremonies, athletic events and any other school event. That means administrators, teachers and staff of the Rankin County School District may not participate in any religious activity, or solicit or encourage religious activities at school or while performing duties as a RCSD employee.”

At a number of extreme RW sites, they are howling about this. Some, however, are noting that this would also mean that muslim prayers and music are also forbidden. I must say, their howling is justified, but often not for the reasons they are stating. And no, Obama didn't cause this to happen, thank you.

I personally have a HUGE problem with this, for music is a universal language. If you ban music repertoire that has any relation to religion, then you automatically kill about 3/4 of really good singable repertoire for choirs, select ensembles, up and coming young singers and so forth. This would mean that 99% of anything that J.S. Bach wrote would be prohibited, because in virtually every piece he wrote, mostly for the Thomanerchor at the Church of Thomas in Leipzig, is written "In deo soli gloria" (solely to the glory of G-d). Or the wonderful American folksongs arranged by Aaron Copland, for instance "At the River". I guess this also cuts out a large majority of good transcriptions for Trombone Choir, because a great deal of it is based on church music, for instance, reams and reams of notes for Mennonite Trombone ensemble. How about the really incredible Masses, Requiems, Verspers and such for Solists, Choir and Orchestra by composers such as Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Haydn and Verdi, not to mention the same from many modern composers? Jon Rutter's "Gloria"? Wow. Randall Thompson's "Allelujah"? Wow. This is all staple-repertoire for every up and coming vocal ensemble in the USA. How about any song that even has the word "spirit" in it for any purpose? There are tons of Symphonic Band works with religious themes as their material, for instance, a Grade V arrangement of "Amazing Grace", a Grade VI "Danses Sacred and Profane", Reed's "Russian Christmas Music", Press' "Wedding Dance" (from the Jewish Suite "Hassaneh"), McBeth's "Kaddish", Dello Joio's "Variations on a medieval tune" - the tune being "I dulci jubilo". How about the famous evening Prayer from Humperdinck's "Hänsel und Gretel", arranged for all sorts of musical ensembles?

Let's face it: a majority of original band, choir and orchestra compositions and a much larger majority of transcriptions for such are based on religious themes.

I mean, what the fuck? Obviously, this judge did not think far enough about the wide-reaching consequences of his judgement.

This kind of music may have started as music for "the Church", but it has become a major device for teaching young singers and instrumentalists the basics of good, solid, playable music. Remove this music and a huge chunk of really good learning material disappears, What's next, patriotic songs?

No, no, no, no, no!

This is wrong. This is very, very very wrong.

If a HS Band in a community that likes this kind of repertoire wants to play it, they should be able to play it. It's neither an endorsement of any form or Christianity nor is it a condemnation of such. It's just good music.

That is exactly what happened when God was forbidden in our public schools, in the 1960's
It took out so much teaching of our American History, just like now with the music.

I am curious: are you referring to Madeleine Murray O'Hare?

 

[ogibillm]

I don't get this. If there was no singing of the song and just a band playing it, how could anyone take issue with it when you know that not everyone there would have known what is being played in the first place?

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. To me, not having a person sing the song is a fair enough compromise. Those who happen to like the song will appreciate it being played even if no one is singing it.

probably wouldn't be a problem at 99% of schools. this particular school has a history - and they seem to want to keep pushing the envelope.

 

[Statistikhengst]

This is indeed political correctness gone way too far, and after the link and quotes, I will give my opinion as to why.

Brandon High School Band pulled from football game performance

BRANDON, MS (Mississippi News Now) -

The Brandon High School Band did not perform at halftime during the season-opening game Friday night. A statement from the Rankin County School District says a July federal court order is the reason the band was banned from Friday night's halftime show.

The band had been slated to perform the hymn "How Great Thou Art."

The district made the decision to ban the halftime show after learning the hymn was included in the performance.

"It bothers me because you look at the schools and all of the school shootings and all the bad things that are happening, and wonder why. It's because we're allowing evil to step in," parent Kimberly Moore said.

Moore and dozens of parents and students sang the hymn during halftime Friday night in response to those who banned its performance.

U.S. District Judge Carlton Reeves issued a court order on July 10, which said "defendants are permanently enjoined from including prayer, religious sermons or activities in any school sponsored event including but not limited to assemblies, graduations, award ceremonies, athletic events and any other school event. That means administrators, teachers and staff of the Rankin County School District may not participate in any religious activity, or solicit or encourage religious activities at school or while performing duties as a RCSD employee.”

At a number of extreme RW sites, they are howling about this. Some, however, are noting that this would also mean that muslim prayers and music are also forbidden. I must say, their howling is justified, but often not for the reasons they are stating. And no, Obama didn't cause this to happen, thank you.

I personally have a HUGE problem with this, for music is a universal language. If you ban music repertoire that has any relation to religion, then you automatically kill about 3/4 of really good singable repertoire for choirs, select ensembles, up and coming young singers and so forth. This would mean that 99% of anything that J.S. Bach wrote would be prohibited, because in virtually every piece he wrote, mostly for the Thomanerchor at the Church of Thomas in Leipzig, is written "In deo soli gloria" (solely to the glory of G-d). Or the wonderful American folksongs arranged by Aaron Copland, for instance "At the River". I guess this also cuts out a large majority of good transcriptions for Trombone Choir, because a great deal of it is based on church music, for instance, reams and reams of notes for Mennonite Trombone ensemble. How about the really incredible Masses, Requiems, Verspers and such for Solists, Choir and Orchestra by composers such as Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Haydn and Verdi, not to mention the same from many modern composers? Jon Rutter's "Gloria"? Wow. Randall Thompson's "Allelujah"? Wow. This is all staple-repertoire for every up and coming vocal ensemble in the USA. How about any song that even has the word "spirit" in it for any purpose? There are tons of Symphonic Band works with religious themes as their material, for instance, a Grade V arrangement of "Amazing Grace", a Grade VI "Danses Sacred and Profane", Reed's "Russian Christmas Music", Press' "Wedding Dance" (from the Jewish Suite "Hassaneh"), McBeth's "Kaddish", Dello Joio's "Variations on a medieval tune" - the tune being "I dulci jubilo". How about the famous evening Prayer from Humperdinck's "Hänsel und Gretel", arranged for all sorts of musical ensembles?

Let's face it: a majority of original band, choir and orchestra compositions and a much larger majority of transcriptions for such are based on religious themes.

I mean, what the fuck? Obviously, this judge did not think far enough about the wide-reaching consequences of his judgement.

This kind of music may have started as music for "the Church", but it has become a major device for teaching young singers and instrumentalists the basics of good, solid, playable music. Remove this music and a huge chunk of really good learning material disappears, What's next, patriotic songs?

No, no, no, no, no!

This is wrong. This is very, very very wrong.

If a HS Band in a community that likes this kind of repertoire wants to play it, they should be able to play it. It's neither an endorsement of any form or Christianity nor is it a condemnation of such. It's just good music.

Your concern over removing religious music from the public square reminds me of the movie I believe it's called the day after. It involves people in New York holding up in the public library while a bitter ice storm heads towards the north. In order to keep warm they look for books to burn. One of the characters who is an atheist takes hold of the Gutenberg Bible to keep it safe. When asked why is he saving the Bible he says it's important to at least have some proof of Western civilization.

It's not concern. It's a logical argument against what just happened.

 

[Capstone]

The kids have the right to play the music. ...

Speaking as a former HS band geek, I think the issue is complicated by the fact that the band instructor chooses the musical scores and designs the field shows for the marching band. Obviously, there's a big difference between using a well-known hymn as a pre-show warmup (which is very common, BTW, because long-held notes really are perfect for warming up instruments and lips, ETC.) and designing the entire show around religious themes.

Listen to Grove City (Ohio) HS's long-standing pre-show warmup:



That's What a Friend We Have in Jesus, which usually precedes a mostly secular show.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Praying in public does not establish any particular religion, however banning all prayer establishes atheism as the national religion

Praying in a school assembly by an administrator is indeed forcing religion on others. Santa Fe learned that the hard way twice.

Playing music at half time is another matter all together.

The Constitution uses the word ESTABLISH how does a prayer establish Christianity as the national religion, komrade Jake

SCOTUS says differently, old friend. Read either of the Santa Fe cases.

SCOTUS got it as wrong as Dred Scott, Korematesu and Plessy

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Please tell me how and what religion is established by a prayer in a school

 

[ogibillm]

Praying in public does not establish any particular religion, however banning all prayer establishes atheism as the national religion

Praying in a school assembly by an administrator is indeed forcing religion on others. Santa Fe learned that the hard way twice.

Playing music at half time is another matter all together.

The Constitution uses the word ESTABLISH how does a prayer establish Christianity as the national religion, komrade Jake

SCOTUS says differently, old friend. Read either of the Santa Fe cases.

SCOTUS got it as wrong as Dred Scott, Korematesu and Plessy

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Please tell me how and what religion is established by a prayer in a school

then take it up with the scotus. here in the real world we'll deal with reality, and the reality is school officials can't lead prayers.