Minnesota: Rape is not rape if you have been drinking of your own free will.

[Blues Man]

Rape is rape no matter the outside circumstances. You sound like Hillary condemning the women accusing Bill.

Naw, those women were all proven liars at the time. Then they dredged them up again 20 years later and we forgot they had all been proven as liars.

Paula Jones claimed that Clinton's dick had a "distinguishing characteristic". His medical records show otherwise. Paula Jones was a liar.

Juanita Brodderick signed two affidavits saying she never had sex with Clinton. Brodderick is a liar.

Kathleen Wiley claimed Clinton groped her... but then spent the next year sending letters to the White House begging for a job. Kathleen Wiley is a liar.

See how that works. You actually look at someone's story, and if you catch them LYING, then you call them liars.

Never called Monica Lewinsky a liar. She told a consistent story and had the cum-stained dress to prove it.

Now, on to the topic at hand...

A woman gets drunk at a bar, takes 5 shots AND some pills, and then she's complaining because she woke up at some dude's house and didn't know where she was?

Are we going to require men to give women field sobriety tests before they do the deed? I mean, that would be a mood killer.

You need a mirror badly. Her complaint was not that she did not know where she was. No one is really denying she was raped. The argument is state law makes rape legal in this instance.

Because I supported Sanders you are going to defend rape. Man, it doesn't get much worse than that.

She blacked out. How does she know she did not give consent?

If she can't remember anything, she was clearly too drunk to give consent.

As in any other area of the law, the consent was given when she consented to becoming voluntarily drunk.

No, it wasn't. Getting drunk is NOT consent to anything except being drunk.

Let me put it this way. Let's say my car runs out of gas some night, and I'm walking from my car to the gas station. Guy pulls up next to me and offers to drive me to the gas station. I agree and get into the car (something I would never actually do, just so you know). He turns out to be a serial killer, and instead of taking me to the gas station, he takes me to his house and kills me, then cuts me up and buries me under his garage.

Now, I very clearly made a bad choice that put me in a vulnerable position and led to my death. Did I consent to being killed and dismembered, though? Does it mean that Mr. Serial Killer did nothing wrong by killing me and dismembering me, because I "consented" to it by getting into his car, and by letting my own car get that low on gas in the first place?

Non Sequitur
Every one of you are flat out IGNORING the possibility she gave consent.
The core of your conviction is based 100% on no woman lies.
Also... that alcohol doesn't affect your judgement. Or ever prevents you from remembering exactly what happened at all times while you was drunk

No, I'm not ignoring it. I'm saying valid consent isn't possible in that condition.

Nor am I saying "no woman lies". Please indicate to me any place where I so much as implied it, or apologize for trying to force the argument on me that you WISH I was making, and delete it herewith from the conversation.

Far from saying alcohol doesn't affect your judgement, my point is that it DOES affect your judgement, and that much alcohol affects it beyond the point where you can give valid consent. And I am extremely skeptical that she could have had as much to drink as the story indicates, and that man NOT know she was too drunk to give consent.

She was voluntarily drunk. That was her consent. Had the guy gotten her drunk or slipped her drugs she would not be assumed to have consented.

This is what the judge ruled. The judge was correct.

I agree if he had slipped her drugs that would not have been consent for anything.

She was voluntarily drinking.....but that does not mean she consented to anything other than drinking.....however the state law that governs this case says if a woman is voluntarily drinking the guy cannot be charged with rape.....that does not mean she was not raped.....that means the man cannot be charged with rape....not rocket science but the dummies on here seem unable to wrap their feeble minds around it.

And again you should have no problem with my statements that a man who voluntarily gets so drunk as to not remember if he gave consent to be sodomized cannot accuse a woman or another man of rape

And again, you don't answer the question... Is it okay to convict a man of rape, sentence him to years in prison, when the woman cannot say if she gave him consent or not - when of course he says she did.?
Yes or no...try actually answering that. Yes or No?
You are willing to give the power to women to arbitrarily put any man in prison she wants. All she has to do is get drunk and have sex with him... and whalla - he is in jail for years.
You are providing Non Sequiturs and hyperbolic what if's.... I am asking a real, genuine question that happens on a regular basis.

My point is equal treatment under the law.

Or do you think drunk men have a more valid rape claim than drunk women?

You seem to think there is a difference between homosexual rape and heterosexual rape.

And personally I think if a man is stupid enough to put himself in a position where he can be accused of rape then it's his own fault.

Yes I noted you still won't answer the question

I just want to make sure the morons here who say that it's OK to rape a drunk woman think it's OK for a drunk man to get raped.

I abhor double standards

Ahh... yet you engage in one with every post.
Your double standard - Women never lie, even when they are so drunk they can't remember clearly what happened. And all men lie, whether drunk or not if a woman says differently.
You are willing to put someone in prison for any years based on that double standard

I never mentioned anyone lying.

I am simply applying the law equally to men.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Rape is rape no matter the outside circumstances. You sound like Hillary condemning the women accusing Bill.

Naw, those women were all proven liars at the time. Then they dredged them up again 20 years later and we forgot they had all been proven as liars.

Paula Jones claimed that Clinton's dick had a "distinguishing characteristic". His medical records show otherwise. Paula Jones was a liar.

Juanita Brodderick signed two affidavits saying she never had sex with Clinton. Brodderick is a liar.

Kathleen Wiley claimed Clinton groped her... but then spent the next year sending letters to the White House begging for a job. Kathleen Wiley is a liar.

See how that works. You actually look at someone's story, and if you catch them LYING, then you call them liars.

Never called Monica Lewinsky a liar. She told a consistent story and had the cum-stained dress to prove it.

Now, on to the topic at hand...

A woman gets drunk at a bar, takes 5 shots AND some pills, and then she's complaining because she woke up at some dude's house and didn't know where she was?

Are we going to require men to give women field sobriety tests before they do the deed? I mean, that would be a mood killer.

You need a mirror badly. Her complaint was not that she did not know where she was. No one is really denying she was raped. The argument is state law makes rape legal in this instance.

Because I supported Sanders you are going to defend rape. Man, it doesn't get much worse than that.

She blacked out. How does she know she did not give consent?

If she can't remember anything, she was clearly too drunk to give consent.

As in any other area of the law, the consent was given when she consented to becoming voluntarily drunk.

No, it wasn't. Getting drunk is NOT consent to anything except being drunk.

Let me put it this way. Let's say my car runs out of gas some night, and I'm walking from my car to the gas station. Guy pulls up next to me and offers to drive me to the gas station. I agree and get into the car (something I would never actually do, just so you know). He turns out to be a serial killer, and instead of taking me to the gas station, he takes me to his house and kills me, then cuts me up and buries me under his garage.

Now, I very clearly made a bad choice that put me in a vulnerable position and led to my death. Did I consent to being killed and dismembered, though? Does it mean that Mr. Serial Killer did nothing wrong by killing me and dismembering me, because I "consented" to it by getting into his car, and by letting my own car get that low on gas in the first place?

Non Sequitur
Every one of you are flat out IGNORING the possibility she gave consent.
The core of your conviction is based 100% on no woman lies.
Also... that alcohol doesn't affect your judgement. Or ever prevents you from remembering exactly what happened at all times while you was drunk

No, I'm not ignoring it. I'm saying valid consent isn't possible in that condition.

Nor am I saying "no woman lies". Please indicate to me any place where I so much as implied it, or apologize for trying to force the argument on me that you WISH I was making, and delete it herewith from the conversation.

Far from saying alcohol doesn't affect your judgement, my point is that it DOES affect your judgement, and that much alcohol affects it beyond the point where you can give valid consent. And I am extremely skeptical that she could have had as much to drink as the story indicates, and that man NOT know she was too drunk to give consent.

She was voluntarily drunk. That was her consent. Had the guy gotten her drunk or slipped her drugs she would not be assumed to have consented.

This is what the judge ruled. The judge was correct.

I agree if he had slipped her drugs that would not have been consent for anything.

She was voluntarily drinking.....but that does not mean she consented to anything other than drinking.....however the state law that governs this case says if a woman is voluntarily drinking the guy cannot be charged with rape.....that does not mean she was not raped.....that means the man cannot be charged with rape....not rocket science but the dummies on here seem unable to wrap their feeble minds around it.

And again you should have no problem with my statements that a man who voluntarily gets so drunk as to not remember if he gave consent to be sodomized cannot accuse a woman or another man of rape

And again, you don't answer the question... Is it okay to convict a man of rape, sentence him to years in prison, when the woman cannot say if she gave him consent or not - when of course he says she did.?
Yes or no...try actually answering that. Yes or No?
You are willing to give the power to women to arbitrarily put any man in prison she wants. All she has to do is get drunk and have sex with him... and whalla - he is in jail for years.
You are providing Non Sequiturs and hyperbolic what if's.... I am asking a real, genuine question that happens on a regular basis.

My point is equal treatment under the law.

Or do you think drunk men have a more valid rape claim than drunk women?

You seem to think there is a difference between homosexual rape and heterosexual rape.

And personally I think if a man is stupid enough to put himself in a position where he can be accused of rape then it's his own fault.

Yes I noted you still won't answer the question

I just want to make sure the morons here who say that it's OK to rape a drunk woman think it's OK for a drunk man to get raped.

I abhor double standards

Ahh... yet you engage in one with every post.
Your double standard - Women never lie, even when they are so drunk they can't remember clearly what happened. And all men lie, whether drunk or not if a woman says differently.
You are willing to put someone in prison for any years based on that double standard

I never mentioned anyone lying.

I am simply applying the law equally to men.

Oh... so you are saying heterosexual men never lie and all gay men do, if the hetero man says otherwise.
Got ya.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

So I will make it easy for you all then...

The law...

If person A is severely intoxicated, to the point they can't remember what happened... anything they say happened is the truth. Even though their own testimony clearly points out they don't remember.
If person B had sex with this person, even if they say 'A' gave consent... you are a rapist because the law says anyone drunk and had sex can claim they didn't give consent.
So pretty much, every weekend all over America - by this definition, rape occurs 10,000's of times - every weekend. Lucky for the men, their girl decided not to press charges.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

GH: "First of all it is well known that women perhaps not all.......have very intense orgasms during rape and statistics show that women are more likely to get pregnant from a rape than from normal intercourse.....all you havto do is google it....very well documented ....

Response: post your valid links. I found pop psych articles and the only valid study I found that stated that the orgasm was NOT due to act of being raped but was due to the female resisting the rape and the physical consequence she herself had on the g-spot. It is nothing that many women can't do while alone...but if you know as much as you claim with the your knowledge on these studies you would know that. There were other reasons given on those psy pop culture studies, like the woman who said she forced herself to check out mentally during the rape because there was no option to attack, but with resisting her body physically reacted as it would from basic stimulation. You do know that for many women, all it takes is a rush of water right...without any type of sex going on whatsoever.

From your words, I suspect you've raped women who were passed out drunk. As you said, the ol general...... Right. You have an issue with women...did it start as a boy or did you acquire the hate over time? As emotional states repeat over and over it heightens that said emotion.....perhaps rejection by a few good looking women while out and about over the years did it to you? This is the typical reaction for men who develop an inner hatred about women. Your words....my, my my. You should have joined the Women Haters Club with Spankey! Hating all women would indeed lead to a most lonely life unless you are gay. I understand more and I am sorry about telling you to "read up"...I have little doubt that was exactly what you expected from one of us sneaky, untrustworthy types....all women lol

How do you know that no woman wants to be raped? I never claimed that, I said no sensible women wants to actually be raped. Again, the vast difference between what a person fantazies about is not the same as wanting the scenario in real life to play out. There are many things people, men and women, entertain in their minds and have no desire to go set themselves up for it to actually happen.

Now this is a most telling part...on your part: If they fantasize about it...they must at some level want it.....and the way so many of them put themselves into situations where getting raped is a very real possibility like this woman in minnosata did and it is not a uncommon thing....which indicates they are either just stupid or have no concern about getting raped or perhaps subconsciously they want to get raped.
Whoa. Nowadays, sexual crimes committed decades ago are being uncovered due to the 23 & Me (about 30 million who taken the DNA test). That should make you take pause with your posturing if you've committed a sexual crime in your past that hasn't bit you yet. No women, even drunk women, deserve to be raped. You can keep your misogynstic views and share them with your fellow rapists down at your local tavern.

In some cultures rape is just considered part of courtship. That is the only part of your info that's actually informative, but considering everything else you've written, I will make sure this is from a valid source. I can believe it considering the tribalism is alive and well in various parts of the globe.

Bottom line .....life is not like Mr. Rogers neighborhood.....human beings are flawed.....strong sexual desires cause problems....like the old master Sgt. said.....a hard dick aint got no conscience. Regardless of our human flaws and frailities, rape is a choice...always by the perp, even a drunk perp with a passed out date he barely knows and takes advantage of the situation. Only losers do this bub, and there are many unfortunately who've raped before without consequence and will do it again.

I want to add that when a women claims a man raped her when she knows he didn't, and only wants to ruin him (as we've seen over the years with a few well known people) is a lowly person without conscience. Pretty much how I view a man who chooses to have sex with a woman he picked up when she is passed out drunk. Plain wrong.

Anyhow there is rape and there is brutal animalistic rape where the rapist will beat up and perhaps even torture his victim....all those who want to change the law should take that into consideration....all rape is not the same. Of course there are legal distinctions with severity of rape, planned rape, gang bang etc. Do you consider it just "being a male" to participate in a gang bang? From the gist of it I'm thinking you do or you think it's male bonding. omg. I can only judge you, as I am for sure here, by what your posts contain. At this point, I was right to assume things that I did.

Last...but not least....we have the real issue...the bottom line for you. In your mind, you view women as...hold on, how rude of me to put words in your mouth, as you stated "Not even to mention women lie ...perhaps not all women, perhaps not all the time but it is undeniable some women claim they were raped when they were not, that there are men in jail right now as we speak who were sentenced to many years in jail because some woman lied.

The highlighted words attracted my attention...you imply more than you've written "my friend". You've justified your actions because you think women are deceptive by nature, by sexual design perhaps. Honestly, to lose my anger over your comments for a minute and look objectively at your words....you are a man who possibly feels inferior. Why that is of course I have no clue. You blame women. Maybe a domineering mom, ex-wife if you had one...hard to know. Something created your anomosity.

That is reality my friend.

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The following is dedicated to all those who really believe women do not orgasm whilst being raped.

 

[j-mac]

Look at this from the other side of the transaction.

A woman who intentionally gets herself AFU on alcohol and/or other substances, consents to having sex, or alternatively does not "Say NO(!)" THEN CLAIMS that even though she did not object, because she was AFU she was incapable of legally consenting to sexual activity, and claims she was raped.

Biologically speaking, people of my gender are impelled to copulate, and acting like it is completely normal.

According to court records, she did say no.

Oh Mastah of da universe.....how does the court know what the fuck she said? Oh my bad i forgot.....women are always to be believed.....which begs the question.....why isnt joe biden in jail.....which bring up another question for all you stupids commenting on this case and actually believing it was rape........why do all of you support Biden?

I voted twice for Trump, so that shoots your BS out of the water.