Middle East Democracy

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    BINT JBEIL, Lebanon Jun 5, 2005 — Hezbollah and its Shiite allies claimed victory in southern Lebanon in Sunday's second stage of national elections, a vote the militant group hopes will prove its strength and send a message of defiance to the United States.

    Hundreds of Hezbollah supporters drove through the streets of Beirut waving the group's yellow flag in celebration. In Beirut's predominantly Shiite southern suburbs, fireworks lit the sky.

    Four hours after polling stations closed, Hezbollah and its ally the Shiite Muslim Amal movement claimed they had won all 23 seats in the region bordering Israel. Official results were not due before midday Monday
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    Looks like another victory for GWB's crusade for democracy. Trouble with giving people the vote is they sometimes vote the wrong way. Hanging chads, anyone?
     
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    In order to "vote" for the other guy you had to psychically know his name and write it on the ballot, but it still would be counted for the Hezbollah guy anyway and Hezbollah would throw a little "party" at your house....
     
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    Perhaps our Muslim brothers are not quite as ready to light that flame of freedom that burns in every heart as we once supposed. Do you have any suggestions to improve the situation? This was to be the crown jewel of our Middle East policy as little as two weeks ago. Kind of a letdown, don't you think?
     
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    I bet you blame doctors when a cancer patient dies too, eh? I mean, so much for the doctor TRYING to help the person eh?

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    Until they are willing to use the power of the laity in their religion and remove the Terrorists from the leadership, by vote, there is little we can do other than what we are doing, working directly to effect the leadership of the nations there, the religion will come in strength. More and more often we find people in Iraq who are willing to take charge and inform about the terrorists in their midst. Less fear=more freedoms, this too will follow.

    However believing in the "freedom" of choice that they have in their current body politic in Syria seems a little disingenuous.
     
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    So would you rather have people be told which way they will vote, Darth?
     
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    When some quack with a phony medical degree (GWB) cons his way in, sells the patient a bogus patent medicine from Haliburton and then the patient dies, yes I blame him.
     
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    No, I would rather recognize that parliamentary democracy is a cultural artifact, an acquired taste if you like, whose mechanisms and benefits have to be nurtured over time. It is not some universal human value that can be expected to spring up overnight as the result of bombing the country next door.
     
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    The model whereby religious influence is replaced by secular democracy took most of the 17th century in Britain and wasn't complete either there or here until the 19th century. It is far from clear that the Arab world is going to replicate that experience at an accelerated rate in the early years of the 21st century. Our self-interested presumption that we can show other cultures how to be like us, or even that they want to be like us just isn't panning out.
     
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    You mean a 70 something year old female, former military, from a military family? With a stepson, son, brother, something that was unjustly killed? You mean that kind of claiming to be something they are not?
     

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