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Now - preventive care, healthier lifestyles, using low-value services, sounds great but I don't see why these ideas will change things in a any appreciable way from the way they are now. I'm not seeing any savings happening here.
Hey S(shit)Hook. You do understand the difference between communism and socialism , don't you ?Sanders is a self-proclaimed communist. He will get little support. If the public option couldn't get through with a strong Democratic majority in both house and senate, why would anyone thing UHC could get through with a Republican House majority and slight majority in Senate?
Isn't MA going broke under the single payer system?
Can somebody explain to me how we can implement a single payer system and keep the costs down? Provide care for many millions more people who can't pay for it, and have no incentive to not seek free treatment? We don't have enough doctors as it is, so aren't most people going to show up at emergency rooms for a common cold? Better than waiting 6 months to see a provider,right? How could we avoid the so-called death panels where a group of bureaucrats decide the criteria for who gets treatment and who doesn't? How many doctors and providers are gong to opt out of Medicare or retire altogether if this happens?
Burnie Sanders is an economic idiot and a self avowed socialist. Any time he tells you that he has a plan to nationalize something and make it cheaper just ignore him. If Medicare and medicaid are any indicaters of how the government runs healthcare you should know how bogus of a statement your making.http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=47d632b8-4a43-4d2b-b500-cb2c105e93ef
WASHINGTON, May 10 -- Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) announced today that he introduced legislation to provide health care for every American through a Medicare-for-all type single-payer system.
Rep. Jim McDermott (D-Wash.) filed a companion bill in the House to provide better care for more patients at less cost by eliminating the middle-man role played by private insurance companies that rake off billions of dollars in profits.
The twin measures, both called the American Health Security Act of 2011, would provide federal guidelines and strong minimum standards for states to administer single-payer health care programs.
Are you saying you don' believe in American exceptionalism?Are we honestly that stupid that we think that we can succeed where every other country that operates something similar has failed?
Really?
Are we somehow immune to the catastrophes that happen elsewhere?
Are you saying you don' believe in American exceptionalism?Are we honestly that stupid that we think that we can succeed where every other country that operates something similar has failed?
Really?
Are we somehow immune to the catastrophes that happen elsewhere?
Are we just another country like any other?
The twin measures, both called the American Health Security Act of 2011, would provide federal guidelines and strong minimum standards for states to administer single-payer health care programs.
I was skimming through the bill a bit last night. It's a very interesting contrast with the perennial single-payer bill, H.R. 676, which really is Medicare-for-all--that is, a single federal program that operates very much like Medicare. Sanders and McDermott, on the the other hand, are proposing this state-administered variant, so there would actually be (presumably) 51 single-payer programs, though I believe states do have the option of joining together to form multi-state systems if they wish.
So it really raises the question of, if you were going to have a single-payer system, would you want it administered at the federal level largely without state involvement, or would you want individual states to administer their own single-payer program? That is, it's the Medicare structure vs. Medicaid structure question.
Seems like it's usually taken for granted that it would just be a Medicare expansion and thus entirely federal. Very interesting that Sanders and McDermott have gone the other route and put states in charge in their proposal.
Can somebody explain to me how we can implement a single payer system and keep the costs down? Provide care for many millions more people who can't pay for it, and have no incentive to not seek free treatment? We don't have enough doctors as it is, so aren't most people going to show up at emergency rooms for a common cold? Better than waiting 6 months to see a provider,right? How could we avoid the so-called death panels where a group of bureaucrats decide the criteria for who gets treatment and who doesn't? How many doctors and providers are gong to opt out of Medicare or retire altogether if this happens?
http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=47d632b8-4a43-4d2b-b500-cb2c105e93ef
WASHINGTON, May 10 -- Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) announced today that he introduced legislation to provide health care for every American through a Medicare-for-all type single-payer system.
Rep. Jim McDermott (D-Wash.) filed a companion bill in the House to provide better care for more patients at less cost by eliminating the middle-man role played by private insurance companies that rake off billions of dollars in profits.
The twin measures, both called the American Health Security Act of 2011, would provide federal guidelines and strong minimum standards for states to administer single-payer health care programs.
I'm still drawn to 'medicare plus'- revamping Medicare and opening it to all American adults who choose to enroll. Allowing younger, healthier individuals in would better spread risk and should bring down costs. Also, we need to ensure that various providers must compete for contracts and health care providers are able to purchase medications from the least expensive (verified) source
Can somebody explain to me how we can implement a single payer system and keep the costs down? Provide care for many millions more people who can't pay for it, and have no incentive to not seek free treatment? We don't have enough doctors as it is, so aren't most people going to show up at emergency rooms for a common cold? Better than waiting 6 months to see a provider,right? How could we avoid the so-called death panels where a group of bureaucrats decide the criteria for who gets treatment and who doesn't? How many doctors and providers are gong to opt out of Medicare or retire altogether if this happens?
Are we honestly that stupid that we think that we can succeed where every other country that operates something similar has failed?
Really?
Are we somehow immune to the catastrophes that happen elsewhere?