Medical marijuana

[emilynghiem]

Wrongest post EVER.

On that we will have to fundamentally disagree. I can't say I'm aware of any major diety in any pantheon whose theology rewards Fun over Proper Behavior.

Your deity gave you dominion over the earth. That includes the humble hemp plant.

Sure, hemp can be used for a lot of good things, even making environmentally friendly plastic and rubber.

Just because we have dominion over the earth does not mean we
have to smoke things to get high.

If you want to get Biblical, our bodies are supposed to be like temples.
Our brains are designed to do incredible things.
So why would we damage the machinery we were given
by blasting brain cells smoking things, drinking ourselves into whacked out states, etc.

Is this a sign of coveting? That we want excitement or freedom or some kind of high,
and instead of getting there naturally, we use shortcuts that have side effects on our brains and bodies?

If you want to do that, at least be honest and don't try to justify it in weird ways.
Just say I want to be able to get high on pot, and I support others doing that.
And admit if you are willing to pay for the consequences of that choice,
or admit you don't think there are any. Just be honest and nobody can argue if that is your belief.

But trying to justify it by "making other people responsible" for your decisions, no sorry.
If you really believe it, you don't have to justify it.

 

[Spinster]

Anything we do to alter our natural state be it drinking alcohol, taking drugs, smoking various substances are all detrimental to health. Added to the addictive tendency, no matter how little or intense, is asking for trouble. We all know taking drugs is damaging, ruins lives, and costs a fortune. People will still do stupid things despite knowing the potential consequences. You can't protect everyone all the time. It's unfortunate, but that's how it's always been and legal or not they'll still seek out their next high.

 

[Arianrhod]

Anything we do to alter our natural state be it drinking alcohol, taking drugs, smoking various substances are all detrimental to health. Added to the addictive tendency, no matter how little or intense, is asking for trouble. We all know taking drugs is damaging, ruins lives, and costs a fortune. People will still do stupid things despite knowing the potential consequences. You can't protect everyone all the time. It's unfortunate, but that's how it's always been and legal or not they'll still seek out their next high.

Given the rate of obesity in this country, you might just as well argue about the dangers of food.

 

[Arianrhod]

Anything we do to alter our natural state be it drinking alcohol, taking drugs, smoking various substances are all detrimental to health. Added to the addictive tendency, no matter how little or intense, is asking for trouble. We all know taking drugs is damaging, ruins lives, and costs a fortune. People will still do stupid things despite knowing the potential consequences. You can't protect everyone all the time. It's unfortunate, but that's how it's always been and legal or not they'll still seek out their next high.

Do you drink anything containing caffeine?

 

[Spinster]

Anything we do to alter our natural state be it drinking alcohol, taking drugs, smoking various substances are all detrimental to health. Added to the addictive tendency, no matter how little or intense, is asking for trouble. We all know taking drugs is damaging, ruins lives, and costs a fortune. People will still do stupid things despite knowing the potential consequences. You can't protect everyone all the time. It's unfortunate, but that's how it's always been and legal or not they'll still seek out their next high.

Given the rate of obesity in this country, you might just as well argue about the dangers of food.

Alcohol has tons of empty calories, as does soda and milk, none of which are necessary. Pot also adds to the obesity epidemic since people often get the munchies when getting high. Weed smokers are all that inclined to exert physically once they get all laid back and stoned.

 

[Spinster]

Anything we do to alter our natural state be it drinking alcohol, taking drugs, smoking various substances are all detrimental to health. Added to the addictive tendency, no matter how little or intense, is asking for trouble. We all know taking drugs is damaging, ruins lives, and costs a fortune. People will still do stupid things despite knowing the potential consequences. You can't protect everyone all the time. It's unfortunate, but that's how it's always been and legal or not they'll still seek out their next high.

Do you drink anything containing caffeine?

No. Caffeine, soda, sports drinks, and tea all dehydrate and are acid based. We want our bodies to be as alkaline as possible. We also want our bodies to be as hydrated as possible which reduces pain and enables us to recover from exertion. Most folks don't hydrate nearly enough and they typically negate the benefits by consuming products which in turn dehydrate them. It's a vicious cycle for most.

 

[Arianrhod]

Anything we do to alter our natural state be it drinking alcohol, taking drugs, smoking various substances are all detrimental to health. Added to the addictive tendency, no matter how little or intense, is asking for trouble. We all know taking drugs is damaging, ruins lives, and costs a fortune. People will still do stupid things despite knowing the potential consequences. You can't protect everyone all the time. It's unfortunate, but that's how it's always been and legal or not they'll still seek out their next high.

Given the rate of obesity in this country, you might just as well argue about the dangers of food.

Alcohol has tons of empty calories, as does soda and milk, none of which are necessary. Pot also adds to the obesity epidemic since people often get the munchies when getting high. Weed smokers are all that inclined to exert physically once they get all laid back and stoned.

Given the nutritive value of milk, I'd hardly call it "empty calories."

The point is that anything you ingest affects your body chemistry.

 

[Arianrhod]

Anything we do to alter our natural state be it drinking alcohol, taking drugs, smoking various substances are all detrimental to health. Added to the addictive tendency, no matter how little or intense, is asking for trouble. We all know taking drugs is damaging, ruins lives, and costs a fortune. People will still do stupid things despite knowing the potential consequences. You can't protect everyone all the time. It's unfortunate, but that's how it's always been and legal or not they'll still seek out their next high.

Do you drink anything containing caffeine?

No. Caffeine, soda, sports drinks, and tea all dehydrate and are acid based. We want our bodies to be as alkaline as possible. We also want our bodies to be as hydrated as possible which reduces pain and enables us to recover from exertion. Most folks don't hydrate nearly enough and they typically negate the benefits by consuming products which in turn dehydrate them. It's a vicious cycle for most.

Hydration's an interesting topic. I've watched the conversation go from "You must drink eight glasses of water a day" to "Maybe eight glasses isn't necessary" and back again.

What the one-size-fits-all philosophy neglects is that one size does not fit all.

Yes, dehydration is dangerous, but so is hyper-hydration, and a 100-pound woman's needs may not be the same as a 200-pound man's. Other factors to be considered are things like climate (hot/cold, damp/dry), activity level, etc.

 

[Spinster]

Exercise experts, people who train athletes and triathlon contestants, recommend one should drink their own body weight in ounces each day. So, 120 pound woman should drink roughly a gallon (128 ounces) of water per day. As far as the nutritional value of milk goes, it's unnecessary in the non-infant mammal. Research clearly reports milk consumption aids in osteoporosis. And cheese, shows breast cancer in women is prevalent amongst those individuals who consume. These same statistics are showing up in Asian countries where there wasn't cheese in the diet prior to major fast food chains going in like McDonalds and Burger King with cheese on everything.

 

[Arianrhod]

^The women in my family are prone to osteoporosis. I'd be very interested in seeing the data on the connection with milk.

As for drinking one's body weight in water, if I tried I'd probably be running to the bathroom all day!

 

[Spinster]

Frequent bathroom visits are a result of being properly hydrated, for sure. The benefits are many, however, such as pain reduction, better recovery following activity, reducing/eliminating high blood pressure, improving diabetes, etc. I'll get back to you with some references regarding osteoporosis.

 

[Agit8r]

Always good to drink plenty of water, when toking the marijuana.

 

[Mr. H.]

I went to a meeting at the local library this afternoon. It was hosted by an organization that will soon open a dispensary in Illinois. There are several in the state already.

Very informative.

It's sad that the new governor twice vetoed a list of additions to the "conditions" list, including PTSD.

My brother has bipolar effective disorder and smokes like a fiend, but I was told that it is doubtful that ANY mental health conditions will ever be added to the list.

 

[Pogo]

Anything we do to alter our natural state be it drinking alcohol, taking drugs, smoking various substances are all detrimental to health. Added to the addictive tendency, no matter how little or intense, is asking for trouble. We all know taking drugs is damaging, ruins lives, and costs a fortune. People will still do stupid things despite knowing the potential consequences. You can't protect everyone all the time. It's unfortunate, but that's how it's always been and legal or not they'll still seek out their next high.

Given the rate of obesity in this country, you might just as well argue about the dangers of food.

Alcohol has tons of empty calories, as does soda and milk, none of which are necessary. Pot also adds to the obesity epidemic since people often get the munchies when getting high. Weed smokers are all that inclined to exert physically once they get all laid back and stoned.

That's not a given. Cannabis doesn't make you hungry; it makes you linger on a thought. If your thought happens to be food.... then you're going to eat. If it's on something else, like exercise.... then you're not.

 

[Agit8r]

Anything we do to alter our natural state be it drinking alcohol, taking drugs, smoking various substances are all detrimental to health. Added to the addictive tendency, no matter how little or intense, is asking for trouble. We all know taking drugs is damaging, ruins lives, and costs a fortune. People will still do stupid things despite knowing the potential consequences. You can't protect everyone all the time. It's unfortunate, but that's how it's always been and legal or not they'll still seek out their next high.

Given the rate of obesity in this country, you might just as well argue about the dangers of food.

Alcohol has tons of empty calories, as does soda and milk, none of which are necessary. Pot also adds to the obesity epidemic since people often get the munchies when getting high. Weed smokers are all that inclined to exert physically once they get all laid back and stoned.

That's not a given. Cannabis doesn't make you hungry; it makes you linger on a thought. If your thought happens to be food.... then you're going to eat. If it's on something else, like exercise.... then you're not.

It really depends on what sort of herb it is. A high THCV sativa will actually decrease appetite.

 

[ChrisL]

 

[Spinster]

Anything we do to alter our natural state be it drinking alcohol, taking drugs, smoking various substances are all detrimental to health. Added to the addictive tendency, no matter how little or intense, is asking for trouble. We all know taking drugs is damaging, ruins lives, and costs a fortune. People will still do stupid things despite knowing the potential consequences. You can't protect everyone all the time. It's unfortunate, but that's how it's always been and legal or not they'll still seek out their next high.

Given the rate of obesity in this country, you might just as well argue about the dangers of food.

Alcohol has tons of empty calories, as does soda and milk, none of which are necessary. Pot also adds to the obesity epidemic since people often get the munchies when getting high. Weed smokers are all that inclined to exert physically once they get all laid back and stoned.

That's not a given. Cannabis doesn't make you hungry; it makes you linger on a thought. If your thought happens to be food.... then you're going to eat. If it's on something else, like exercise.... then you're not.

Un huh, that's why certain food is known as "stoner food". Something doesn't just get associated with an occurrence because it happens once in awhile. It's typically a given.

 

[Pogo]

Anything we do to alter our natural state be it drinking alcohol, taking drugs, smoking various substances are all detrimental to health. Added to the addictive tendency, no matter how little or intense, is asking for trouble. We all know taking drugs is damaging, ruins lives, and costs a fortune. People will still do stupid things despite knowing the potential consequences. You can't protect everyone all the time. It's unfortunate, but that's how it's always been and legal or not they'll still seek out their next high.

Given the rate of obesity in this country, you might just as well argue about the dangers of food.

Alcohol has tons of empty calories, as does soda and milk, none of which are necessary. Pot also adds to the obesity epidemic since people often get the munchies when getting high. Weed smokers are all that inclined to exert physically once they get all laid back and stoned.

That's not a given. Cannabis doesn't make you hungry; it makes you linger on a thought. If your thought happens to be food.... then you're going to eat. If it's on something else, like exercise.... then you're not.

Un huh, that's why certain food is known as "stoner food". Something doesn't just get associated with an occurrence because it happens once in awhile. It's typically a given.

Doesn't matter who thinks it's a "given" or "what's known as stoner food". I'm saying it's not a causation.
The Munchies is basically a tradition. Traditions are self-perpetuating.

It is not a physiological function of the herb itself, which function is to enhance whatever the chosen experience is. Whether that's eating or something unrelated to eating, that would be the stoner's choice.

 

[Spinster]

Anything we do to alter our natural state be it drinking alcohol, taking drugs, smoking various substances are all detrimental to health. Added to the addictive tendency, no matter how little or intense, is asking for trouble. We all know taking drugs is damaging, ruins lives, and costs a fortune. People will still do stupid things despite knowing the potential consequences. You can't protect everyone all the time. It's unfortunate, but that's how it's always been and legal or not they'll still seek out their next high.

Given the rate of obesity in this country, you might just as well argue about the dangers of food.

Alcohol has tons of empty calories, as does soda and milk, none of which are necessary. Pot also adds to the obesity epidemic since people often get the munchies when getting high. Weed smokers are all that inclined to exert physically once they get all laid back and stoned.

That's not a given. Cannabis doesn't make you hungry; it makes you linger on a thought. If your thought happens to be food.... then you're going to eat. If it's on something else, like exercise.... then you're not.

Un huh, that's why certain food is known as "stoner food". Something doesn't just get associated with an occurrence because it happens once in awhile. It's typically a given.

Doesn't matter who thinks it's a "given" or "what's known as stoner food". I'm saying it's not a causation.
The Munchies is basically a tradition. Traditions are self-perpetuating.

It is not a physiological function of the herb itself, which function is to enhance whatever the chosen experience is. Whether that's eating or something unrelated to eating, that would be the stoner's choice.

I was saying it was a TENDENCY, not a cause. Just like certain foods TEND to be stoner food. Weed TENDS to make the user do things they wouldn't ordinarily do or act in ways they wouldn't ordinarily do. That's why it's against the law to drive under the influence of weed just like it is under the influence of alcohol. Whatever term you want to put on it is your choice, but the law has determined weed does AFFECT individuals in certain ways that makes them unsafe such as driving. Employers, likewise, have determined the same, hence their no tolerance policy. Employers don't want stoners in the workplace running potentially dangerous machinery or behaving in ways that could jeopardize their business or adversely affect their relationships with customers. I realize this wouldn't be acceptable to you, so just smoke another doobie and chill. When the high passes, you'll maybe think more clearly.

 

[Pogo]

Given the rate of obesity in this country, you might just as well argue about the dangers of food.

Alcohol has tons of empty calories, as does soda and milk, none of which are necessary. Pot also adds to the obesity epidemic since people often get the munchies when getting high. Weed smokers are all that inclined to exert physically once they get all laid back and stoned.

That's not a given. Cannabis doesn't make you hungry; it makes you linger on a thought. If your thought happens to be food.... then you're going to eat. If it's on something else, like exercise.... then you're not.

Un huh, that's why certain food is known as "stoner food". Something doesn't just get associated with an occurrence because it happens once in awhile. It's typically a given.

Doesn't matter who thinks it's a "given" or "what's known as stoner food". I'm saying it's not a causation.
The Munchies is basically a tradition. Traditions are self-perpetuating.

It is not a physiological function of the herb itself, which function is to enhance whatever the chosen experience is. Whether that's eating or something unrelated to eating, that would be the stoner's choice.

I was saying it was a TENDENCY, not a cause. Just like certain foods TEND to be stoner food. Weed TENDS to make the user do things they wouldn't ordinarily do or act in ways they wouldn't ordinarily do. That's why it's against the law to drive under the influence of weed just like it is under the influence of alcohol. Whatever term you want to put on it is your choice, but the law has determined weed does AFFECT individuals in certain ways that makes them unsafe such as driving. Employers, likewise, have determined the same, hence their no tolerance policy. Employers don't want stoners in the workplace running potentially dangerous machinery or behaving in ways that could jeopardize their business or adversely affect their relationships with customers. I realize this wouldn't be acceptable to you, so just smoke another doobie and chill. When the high passes, you'll maybe think more clearly.

Whatever --- "tendency" or whatever we call it, it still comes from the subject, not the plant. "Munchies", i.e. eating when one is not hungry -- is a conscious choice. A common correlation -- or more accurately here, a perception of a common correlation (read: "popular stereotype") -- is still not a causation.