Media Matter Blames Beck!

[Bfgrn]

I didn't deny that there's pollution, Mr. Bodine...I pointed out that when politicians and bureaucrats control the meaning of the word, it could, in the fine tradition of Orwell, mean just about anything under the sun.

Speaking of externalities, I also notice that goobers like you always ignore the externalities of your authoritarian do-goodery...Probably because you care more about your image and claimed intentions, rather than any positive results in actual reality.

None of which addresses the fact that cap-n-tax will be the biggest crony capitalist tool of all time, while nitwits like you who wouldn't know a truly free market if it fell on you claim that it's a "free market" solution to a non-existent problem.

Ah, DUD, the 'free market' entrepreneurial wizard...

Reminds me of the 1967 movie The Graduate...
blablablablabalyammeryammeryammertwaddletwaddletwaddle

None of which shows that you'd know a true free market if it ran you over.

Yea, what would a commissioned Caterpillar salesman know about markets...

Tell me about cost externalization Einstein...

 

[Liability]

Oh what happened to sticking up for freedom of speech you disgusting Liberal Piece of shit.

Classy. Take your meds now, angry con.

Of course, that sentiment above was entirely negotiable when the Boy King was in office, and butt raping the Bill of Rights weekly. Different when your heroes do it, we understand.

Hey, JizzCagey:

Get your ignorant terminology straight. The "boy-king" is the handle for President OBAMA.

 

[Oddball]

Yea, what would a commissioned Caterpillar salesman know about markets...

Tell me about cost externalization Einstein...

Claiming that cap-n-tax is a market solution shows that you have NFI about markets, nonwithstanding your alleged job in sales.

If there were a real organic market for carbon trading, someone would've devised a way to get the business going and wouldn't need to have it forced into existence via legislation.

But keep the goofiness coming...I'm more amused today than usual by your blundering and blithering.

 

[Bfgrn]

Yea, what would a commissioned Caterpillar salesman know about markets...

Tell me about cost externalization Einstein...

Claiming that cap-n-tax is a market solution shows that you have NFI about markets, nonwithstanding your alleged job in sales.

If there were a real organic market for carbon trading, someone would've devised a way to get the business going and wouldn't need to have it forced into existence via legislation.

But keep the goofiness coming...I'm more amused today than usual by your blundering and blithering.

I thought you said you understood what a REAL free market is...and here I even tried to help you Jethro, by giving you a 'hint'... there will never be any incentive to move to clean energy as long as the cost of pollution is externalized.

It appears you have no idea what I'm talking about...

 

[Oddball]

I was mistaken...You're as boring, loony and sputteringly unhinged as ever.

Same intellectual train wreck, different day.

 

[Bfgrn]

I was mistaken...You're as boring, loony and sputteringly unhinged as ever.

Same intellectual train wreck, different day.

Thank you for confirming that you have no clue what a REAL free market is...or what cost externalization is.

Hey DUD, are you aware that supporting a subsidized market makes you a socialist...


What a pea brain...

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Media Matter is trying to shut down any dissent from the Obama Ministry of Truth by holding, wait for it, Glenn Beck responsible for the actions of an individual who tried to attack the Tides Foundation.

Beck's crime? He did...a story!!! on the Tides Foundation!!! Is that even legal?!

Beck denies being "responsible" for planned massacre at office of group he demonized | Media Matters for America

Then Media Matters sent this out this afternoon:

"Dear Friend,

On Sunday, July 18, unhinged ex-convict Byron Williams loaded his truck with guns and headed up a California highway with the intention of starting a revolution. If he hadn't been stopped by brave officers -- two of whom were wounded in the confrontation -- he could have carried out a plan to kill staff at progressive organizations, including the Tides Foundation.

What is the Tides Foundation? It's the nonprofit that Glenn Beck brags about "turning the light of day" on by constantly attacking it as part of a socialist conspiracy to destroy our government. The Tides Foundation isn't the shadowy political influence of Beck's fantasies -- it's a transparent organization known in the philanthropic community for doing good public service. Make no mistake: Beck's intention was to paint the Tides Foundation as a dangerous, increasingly powerful threat to freedom that must be stopped. And Williams set out to stop them. ..."

What?????????????????????

Were the Beatles responsible for Charles Manson?

Dude don't you know that Charles Manson would have never done all that stuff if it wasn't for the beatles? gosh

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMfkVGCU_BA]YouTube - The Beatles - Helter Skelter At Studio[/ame]

oh yeah thats some crazy manson ispiration right there

is this obama's supporters song?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLcilJGPo68]YouTube - Hey There Obama (Drink the Kool Aid)[/ame]

now I know why they act like that, its the kool-aid songs fault.

 

[Rinata]

This thread has become very tiresome. I hope this will convey more clearly what I have been trying to say here. This is my last word on this subject.

"It's not about what Beck says individually or what you believe individually - it's about a culture that is created when you dehumanize your opponent. When you call providers of a legal service "murderers"; when you (not you personally, here) call gays and lesbians "deviants"; when you say the President is "destroying the republic" - you create a culture in which someone sees justification for their violence. It doesn't mean you are "cheering them on" or that you agree with it - but if you use such terminology that dehumanizes people, then you are part of the creation of a culture that supports it.

Beck, you, and everyone else should be allowed to say whatever you'd like - but we have to be aware of the culture that this derogatory, dismissive language creates. Without stepping back and considering the consequences of our words, we are not legally, but morally responsible for the violence."

Glenn Beck Rant on Tides leads to Violence

 

[Oddball]

What you've been trying to do here is to pin the blame for the actions of a lone loon onto Glenn Beck...And you've failed miserably.

 

[Avatar4321]

I love it. Glenn supposedly creates a derogatory culture that dehumanizes his "opponents" by doing a news story on who they are what they claim to represent. Therefore, you should be able to call Glenn derogatory names.

With that logic, I suppose we are trying to dehumanize the KKK by making derogatory statements about how they want to discriminate against minorities, call them racists, and report that they often go through with lynching people.

Forget the fact that they actually are racists who lynch minorities. Pointing out the fact is dehumanizing them and we should just pretend they don't actually do that, that they are really a charitable organization trying to encourage "Ethnic appreciation".

The truth is the truth. Denial doesn't get anyone anywhere.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This thread has become very tiresome. I hope this will convey more clearly what I have been trying to say here. This is my last word on this subject.

"It's not about what Beck says individually or what you believe individually - it's about a culture that is created when you dehumanize your opponent. When you call providers of a legal service "murderers"; when you (not you personally, here) call gays and lesbians "deviants"; when you say the President is "destroying the republic" - you create a culture in which someone sees justification for their violence. It doesn't mean you are "cheering them on" or that you agree with it - but if you use such terminology that dehumanizes people, then you are part of the creation of a culture that supports it.

Beck, you, and everyone else should be allowed to say whatever you'd like - but we have to be aware of the culture that this derogatory, dismissive language creates. Without stepping back and considering the consequences of our words, we are not legally, but morally responsible for the violence."

Glenn Beck Rant on Tides leads to Violence

That is pretty well written, and I agree with the essence of the post...

but I have the sense that selecting Glenn Beck as a representation of the political right, you are unaware of the fact that it is the left that is typically and repeatedly responsible for actual violence in our society?

As you have said, "...culture in which someone sees justification for their violence." it is historically the left wing that encourages and carries out violence.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

This thread has become very tiresome. I hope this will convey more clearly what I have been trying to say here. This is my last word on this subject.

"It's not about what Beck says individually or what you believe individually - it's about a culture that is created when you dehumanize your opponent. When you call providers of a legal service "murderers"; when you (not you personally, here) call gays and lesbians "deviants"; when you say the President is "destroying the republic" - you create a culture in which someone sees justification for their violence. It doesn't mean you are "cheering them on" or that you agree with it - but if you use such terminology that dehumanizes people, then you are part of the creation of a culture that supports it.

Beck, you, and everyone else should be allowed to say whatever you'd like - but we have to be aware of the culture that this derogatory, dismissive language creates. Without stepping back and considering the consequences of our words, we are not legally, but morally responsible for the violence."

Glenn Beck Rant on Tides leads to Violence

I've considered the consequences of my words very carefully and I can say with clear conscious: FUCK OFF!

Glenn Beck is one of the few people in media even talking about Tides Foundation and their very very to say the least, unusual agenda, which some may even view as standing four square against our founding and may well be anti-American.

Beck just pointed them out. Why is that a crime?

 

[asterism]

Looks like this union guy might have been incited:

Union officials say Omar Thornton had worked as a driver for acouple of years and had been called in for a disciplinary hearing Tuesday and asked to resign. He instead opened fire at a warehouse in Manchester...

... Teamsters Local 1035 official Christopher Roos says Thornton was "a disgruntled employee who shot a bunch of people."

Beer Business Shooter Was 'Disgruntled': Union Official : NPR

Now why would be he disgruntled? Do unions dehumanize people? Do they create a culture of conflict?

By Rinata's logic it seems that this sad tragedy isn't a nutjob gone totally batshit crazy, but an act of violence due to animosity by the perpetrator and a dehumanizing culture in the Teamsters.

 

[asterism]

This thread has become very tiresome. I hope this will convey more clearly what I have been trying to say here. This is my last word on this subject.

"It's not about what Beck says individually or what you believe individually - it's about a culture that is created when you dehumanize your opponent. When you call providers of a legal service "murderers"; when you (not you personally, here) call gays and lesbians "deviants"; when you say the President is "destroying the republic" - you create a culture in which someone sees justification for their violence. It doesn't mean you are "cheering them on" or that you agree with it - but if you use such terminology that dehumanizes people, then you are part of the creation of a culture that supports it.

Beck, you, and everyone else should be allowed to say whatever you'd like - but we have to be aware of the culture that this derogatory, dismissive language creates. Without stepping back and considering the consequences of our words, we are not legally, but morally responsible for the violence."

Glenn Beck Rant on Tides leads to Violence

I've considered the consequences of my words very carefully and I can say with clear conscious: FUCK OFF!

Glenn Beck is one of the few people in media even talking about Tides Foundation and their very very to say the least, unusual agenda, which some may even view as standing four square against our founding and may well be anti-American.

Beck just pointed them out. Why is that a crime?

It's a crime in the minds of those who think that nutjobs need a reason to be nutjobs. Either that or she is projecting her own emotional logic onto someone she doesn't like.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Looks like this union guy might have been incited:

Union officials say Omar Thornton had worked as a driver for acouple of years and had been called in for a disciplinary hearing Tuesday and asked to resign. He instead opened fire at a warehouse in Manchester...

... Teamsters Local 1035 official Christopher Roos says Thornton was "a disgruntled employee who shot a bunch of people."

Beer Business Shooter Was 'Disgruntled': Union Official : NPR

Now why would be he disgruntled? Do unions dehumanize people? Do they create a culture of conflict?

By Rinata's logic it seems that this sad tragedy isn't a nutjob gone totally batshit crazy, but an act of violence due to animosity by the perpetrator and a dehumanizing culture in the Teamsters.

Shut down the Unions, its the only safe way

 

[Big Fitz]

Defending your god huh frankie

defending yours Truthie?

Heil Obama shitbag.

 

[Big Fitz]

You all don't watch GlennBeck do ya? He is always and consistently saying that violence is not the answer.

Why would they do that? It fucks up the party line and slows the grand plan to establish a progressofascist state.

 

[Big Fitz]

Jesus Christ's life on earth was ALL ABOUT social justice.

No. It was not. Not even close.

Christ's life was about establishing a personal relationship with God and personal salvation. There is nothing collective about it. It was a popular movement at the time to believe that Christ was there for political and social salvation from the Romans. The arrival of Jesus into Jerusalem on the donkey and the placing of Palm Branches in front of him with shouts of 'Hosannah' was had a dual meaning in the day, thanks to archeological sources. These acts and words were also used by a political movement bucking to drive out the Romans. It's stunning to see the suckers still line up for that load of rotted tripe saying it was only political.

But here you sit, viewing Jesus as nothing more than a political agitprop. Fucking pathetic if you ask me, but not unexpected from someone with a long history of hatred for Christianity and it's adherents.

 

[Rinata]

What you've been trying to do here is to pin the blame for the actions of a lone loon onto Glenn Beck...And you've failed miserably.

Wrong again. I'm not trying to pin anything on anybody, dear. I was just trying to get people to consider a point of view that makes a lot of sense. I don't feel that I have failed miserably at anything. Don't be such a drama king.

 

[Rinata]

I love it. Glenn supposedly creates a derogatory culture that dehumanizes his "opponents" by doing a news story on who they are what they claim to represent. Therefore, you should be able to call Glenn derogatory names.

With that logic, I suppose we are trying to dehumanize the KKK by making derogatory statements about how they want to discriminate against minorities, call them racists, and report that they often go through with lynching people.

Forget the fact that they actually are racists who lynch minorities. Pointing out the fact is dehumanizing them and we should just pretend they don't actually do that, that they are really a charitable organization trying to encourage "Ethnic appreciation".

The truth is the truth. Denial doesn't get anyone anywhere.

Good Lord!!! That was way over your head, wasn't it???