Media lie to you about Fake Electors?

[WorldWatcher]

The text of the OP says: "The Hawaii scenario in 1960 mirrors in every material respect the facts on the ground in Georgia on Dec. 14, 2020..."

Which is false.

Difference #1:
Also from the OP text: "...state circuit court Judge Ronald Jamieson ordered a recount.". That is a key material difference in that the count was not complete and the state was acting under a court order trying to finish the recount. In 2020 the count had been completed, recounts done, audits completed, and the final outcome determined. Only after a final determination in court did the Hawaii Governor provide final certification (initial certification had come before the court mandated recount).

Difference #2:
On December 28, after the completion of the recount adjudicated the winning (JFK) and ordered the slate of electors that were valid. No such ruling as to validity of "contingent electors" was made in 2020 and as a matter of fact all recounts and audits showed the proper electors had been certified.

Difference #3:
Due to the court order recount the STATE organized and counted both slates of electors. Not one done in public (by the state) and one done in secrecy by a group of party members meeting in a basement room with no authority.

Difference #4:
Once the recount was complete and the final decision issued by the court, the STATE notified Congress of which slate of electors were valid PRIOR to the designated date for Congress to count votes. There was no attempt, or need, to attempt to delay or obstruct the Congress in the performance of it's duties.
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So ya, other than the fact the circumstances were different, the state was acting under a court order, and the State Governor notified Congress of the valid slate prior to Congressional counting - the situation were like totally the same.

WW

 

[BackAgain]

Good luck

Sometimes, like here, luck has nothing to do with it.

 

[The5thHorseman]

Never mentioned feelings liar.

Data doesn't care about any of you.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Do you not have a mirror? Re-read some of your posts! Damn dude! Talk about projection!

That's leftist game plan

 

[miketx]

Data doesn't care about any of you.

That's it leftist, start spewing bullshit like always.

 

[miketx]

You have to prove, not assert, that the announcment "are manipulated" in order to make your points.

Do it if you can. Your assertions are not factual evidence.

You vermin don't accept proof.

 

[The5thHorseman]

That's it leftist, start spewing bullshit like always.

That's all you've got, Mikey.

 

[miketx]

Leo and The Duke project like crazy as their hate and rage grow fueling revenge and retribution fantasies.

Fake news.

 

[miketx]

That's all you've got, Mikey.

Fake news.

 

[The5thHorseman]

Fake news.

That's it...you just yell at the facts..

 

[miketx]

That's it...you just yell at the facts..

Fake news. You scum don't have facts.

 

[The5thHorseman]

Fake news. You scum don't have facts.

If I didn't, you wouldn't be so bitter.

 

[miketx]

If I didn't, you wouldn't be so bitter.

Lol, still spewing fake news.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Mikey yells, 'fake news', at the facts.

 

[miketx]

We have it now, and you are complaining.

Fake news.

 

[miketx]

Mikey yells, 'fake news', at the facts.

You yell 'facts' at fake news.

 

[miketx]

No matter how un-fucking-belivable your conspiracies get, you still have to keep pushing them....it ain't working.

Your lies are 6th grade at best.

 

[MinTrut]

60 years ago the same issue happened. Your lefty media is feeding you people BS and you ate it without a fork.

The 2020 Georgia situation mirrors events of 60 years ago in Hawaii, revealing that everything the media have said about ‘fake electors’ is wrong.

Headlines recently proclaimed that eight of Trump’s “fake” electors accepted immunity deals. Of course, in reporting the news, the corporate outlets all missed the real story — that the electors’ testimony failed to incriminate anyone, including Trump, and that the county prosecutors engaged in massive misconduct. Equally appalling, however, was the corrupt media’s continued peddling of the “fake electors” narrative.

There were no “fake” electors. There were contingent Republican electors named consistent with legal precedent to preserve the still ongoing legal challenges to the validity of Georgia’s certified vote.

Nor was appointing an alternative slate of electors some cockamamie plan devised by Trump lawyers. On the contrary, Trump’s election lawyers and the contingent electors followed the precise approach Democrats successfully used when the date Congress established for certifying an election came before the legal challenges John F. Kennedy had brought in Hawaii were decided. And that approach allowed Kennedy to be certified the winner of Hawaii’s three electoral votes on Jan. 6, 1961, even though the Aloha State had originally certified Richard Nixon the victor.
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The Hawaii scenario in 1960 mirrors in every material respect the facts on the ground in Georgia on Dec. 14, 2020 — the date both the Democrat and Republican presidential electors met and cast their 16 electoral votes for Joe Biden and Donald Trump respectively.
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Based on the original count in favor of Nixon, the acting governor of Hawaii, Republican James Kealoha, certified the Republican electors on Nov. 28, 1960. On Dec. 13, over the objections of the state attorney general, state circuit court Judge Ronald Jamieson ordered a recount. Then, on Dec. 19, both the Nixon and Kennedy electors met, “cast their votes for President and Vice President, and certified their own meeting and votes.”
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Ten days later, on Dec. 30, 1960, Judge Jamieson held that Kennedy had won the election. In so holding, Jamieson stressed the importance of the Democrat electors having met on Dec. 19, as prescribed by the Electoral Count Act, to cast their ballots in favor of Kennedy. That step allowed the Hawaii governor to then certify Kennedy as the winner of Hawaii’s three electoral votes and, in turn, Congress to count Hawaii’s electoral votes in favor of Kennedy.
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On Dec. 4, 2020, then-President Trump and Republican elector David Shafer filed suit in a Fulton County state court against Raffensperger, arguing tens of thousands of votes counted in the presidential election had been cast in violation of Georgia law. While Trump’s lawsuit was still pending, on Dec. 7, 2020, based on the recount, Raffensperger recertified Biden as the winner of Georgia’s 16 electoral votes by a margin of 11,779.

Trump and Shafer’s Fulton County lawsuit contesting the election results remained pending on Dec. 14, 2020, the date the presidential electors were required by federal law to meet. Thus, while the Democrat electors met and cast their ballots for Joe Biden, the Republican electors met separately and cast their 16 votes for Trump.

At that time, Shafer made clear the Trump electors had met and cast their votes to ensure Trump’s legal battle in court remained viable. Nonetheless, following Biden’s election, Fulton County Prosecutor Fani Willis targeted the Republican electors as part of her criminal special purpose grand jury investigation.

While the grand jury has since issued a report and been disbanded, Willis agreed to grant immunity to eight of the electors, likely to push them to implicate the other electors. However, their lawyer confirmed in a court filing that none of the electors implicated anyone in criminal activity.

Since then, Shafer’s attorneys, Holly Pierson and Craig Gillen, wrote Willis a detailed letter reviewing the Hawaii precedent. The attorneys noted they had made three prior written requests to meet “to discuss the factual and legal issues” relevant to Shafer’s role as a contingent Trump elector but had “not yet received any response to those requests.”
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In addition to detailing the Hawaii precedent from 1960, Shafer’s lawyers highlighted the fact that in contesting the 2000 election, lawyers for then-Democrat presidential candidate Al Gore cited that very precedent to support his position that two elector slates could be appointed. In fact, Democrat Rep. Patsy Mink of Hawaii suggested the 2000 Florida electoral dispute be resolved based on that Hawaii precedent too. And three Supreme Court justices in Bush v. Gore cited the Hawaii precedent as a basis for allowing the Florida recount to proceed.
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As the letter and Hawaii precedent make clear, Shafer and the other Trump electors not only did nothing wrong, but they acted prudentially to ensure that if the state court lawsuit resolved in the president’s favor, Georgia’s electoral votes would be properly counted on Jan. 6, 2020

Here we see one of the only differences between Trump’s legal challenge and Kennedy’s: The Hawaii state court promptly resolved the merits of Kennedy’s legal challenge, while in violation of the Georgia Election Code that requires lawsuits contesting elections to be heard within 20 days, the Fulton County court delayed assigning a judge to hear Trump’s election dispute and then delayed the first scheduled hearing until Jan. 8, 2021 — two days after Congress certified Biden the winner of the 2020 election.

Now you know the rest of the story. There were no fake electors. The question now is whether Willis will charge Shafer and others with fake crimes.

The Left's 2020 ‘Fake Electors’ Narrative Is Fake News

Liberal, not left.

But thank you for sharing this.

 

[MinTrut]

The official Unemployment Rate has been bogus ever since they stopped including people that stop looking for work after 6 months.

As for "good jobs", do these jobs pay well enough to handle current inflation (the real rate as calculated using the formula from the 80s, not the modern one)?

There are some good jobs out there that are available, but work culture in general has been damaged by the lockdowns that happened a little while ago. A lot of people don't want to work in an office and instead want to stay home. I can't blame them for desiring a work from home job, but there are only so many of those to go around.

The real "bitching" is tied to the fact that the dollar is losing its world reserve currency status, and as a consequence, inflation is high, and so are interest rates. Millions cannot enter the mortgage market as a result, and builders are understandably reluctant to increase production.

Commercial real estate is about to bust as well due to the work from home thing I mentioned above.

Welcome to the forum.

Please post more!

 

[MinTrut]

I'll start with the obvious one. Why would the Unemployment Rate go from including all those of working age not working to only including those who haven't spent 6 months inactive in looking for work? That was a change made many years ago, and it twisted the perception of unemployment.

You’re interacting with one of the forum’s worst trolls in Slow Horses fyi.

Some excellent points above, but what do you think of the OP?