McCain is the issue, not Obama

[Diuretic]

The Time interview was hilarious.

McCain basically told Obama's mouthpieces to go fuck themselves.

He's got form for that, cranky old fucker.

 

[Diuretic]

Don't be putting shit on Rock. I'm serious. Don't you dare do it. He's been there and done that and you need to understand that this bullshit sniping at the man is not bloody on. Stick to the principles, play the ball, not the man.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Gotcha.

You want a huge government beauracracy to cut you checks every month.

But you want to eliminate government Medicaid payments for healthcare for poor children, you want to eliminate social security checks to elderly americans.

Very selfish and hypocritical. That's why you're a con. You want government to take care of you, but nobody else.

Ya just like I want all retirement plans from all employers repelled. You are a fucking joke.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

From the quote you provided Editec...

The other seven to nine are selected by a discretionary committee, either to fulfill the review's race-based affirmative action program

So now provide the data he did not fall in THAT group.

 

[Red Dawn]

Ya just like I want all retirement plans from all employers repelled. You are a fucking joke.

So let's sum up your political ideology.

You want social security, medicare, and medicaid eliminated.

You want to repeal all retirement accounts provided by employers. I'm assuming you want paid vacation and paid sick leave repealled too?

But, because you allegedly served in the military that makes you a better american than everyone else, so a special government beauracracy should be set up to cut you checks every month.

And yet you're going to vote for the guy who lobbied against a generous increase in veterans benefits.

And even though you're a "free market" conservative, you still want your government beauracracy check instead of a simple veteran tax credit for you to spend on your needs.


Do you smoke crack? What kind of crazy and hypocritical political ideology is that.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

So let's sum up your political ideology.

You want social security, medicare, and medicaid eliminated.

You want to repeal all retirement accounts provided by employers. I'm assuming you want paid vacation and paid sick leave repealled too?

But, because you allegedly served in the military that makes you a better american than everyone else, so a special government beauracracy should be set up to cut you checks every month.

And yet you're going to vote for the guy who lobbied against a generous increase in veterans benefits.

And even though you're a "free market" conservative, you still want your government beauracracy check instead of a simple veteran tax credit for you to spend on your needs.


Do you smoke crack? What kind of crazy and hypocritical political ideology is that.

You are a retard. But then we already knew that didn't we?

Let me speak in slow small words so your pea brain may be able to comprehend some of what I say. Now pay attention retard.

You claimed my retirement, gained per a work Contract and service rendered, was somehow a social program I did not earn. I responded by reminding you that I EARNED said retirement/disability per the CONTRACT I made when I went to work for my employer and every time I renewed said Contract.

You responded with more tripe about how my retirement was some kind of support for big brother and social programs. To which I snidely responded that I wanted all retirement repelled. That would be a play on your IGNORANT claims. But hey no one ever said you had more than 2 brain cells to rub together.

Lets recap, for 15 YEARS and 11 Months I was employed on a 24 hour/7 day a week job that could send me anywhere in the world into harms way any time they wished. That could send me into training exersizes that could get me killed or seriously wounded. That could keep me from my family as long as they chose to.

The Contract for that employment includes a retirement package at 20 years or when disabled to certain percentage as determined by both Doctors and a board of NON doctors.

Yet YOU are claiming I somehow did not earn said retirement and am nothing more than a sponge off the Government. Yet you have NO problem with any other retirement plan anywhere in this country, including plans from the Government for non military personnel.

The proper responce to you is that you are either to STUPID to know what you are talking about or are brain damaged.

 

[midcan5]

"... I say to the American people, to Democrats and Republicans and Independents across this great land - enough! This moment - this election - is our chance to keep, in the 21st century, the American promise alive. Because next week, in Minnesota, the same party that brought you two terms of George Bush and Dick Cheney will ask this country for a third. And we are here because we love this country too much to let the next four years look like the last eight. On November 4th, we must stand up and say: "Eight is enough."

Now let there be no doubt. The Republican nominee, John McCain, has worn the uniform of our country with bravery and distinction, and for that we owe him our gratitude and respect. And next week, we'll also hear about those occasions when he's broken with his party as evidence that he can deliver the change that we need.

But the record's clear: John McCain has voted with George Bush ninety percent of the time. Senator McCain likes to talk about judgment, but really, what does it say about your judgment when you think George Bush has been right more than ninety percent of the time? I don't know about you, but I'm not ready to take a ten percent chance on change."

Barack Obama

 

[AVG-JOE]

Where do I begin here.

Being President of the Harvard Law Review has nothing to do with intelligence. It's an elected position. It does not mean he was the smartest guy at harvard law school.

Obama has made money. Can you name one thing Obama has done to improve his community?

Opposed the stupidest war in our short history.

Heck, Obama had to have money to go to Harvard to begin with.

Student loans and scholarships, like lots of us.

I've been to law school. I've met hundreds of lawyers. Going to law school and even being an editor of a journal doesn't impress me. Because lawyers are just as inclined to be stupid as anyone else.

Take John Edwards for example. The man is an idiot. But he is good at his job. So good that he made himself wealthy beyond what most people concieve.

Getting through law school simply means he can work hard. Because really that's all it takes.

And we all know how hard work is a stupid waste of time...

Does being elected President of a law journal qualify you to be President? I dont think so. I'm not even sure being intelligent qualifies you to be President. I know a man who is absolutely brilliant who I wouldnt want to be President. Heck, I've got a pretty high IQ myself. I wouldnt suggest i am qualified simply on the basis of my intelligence. There are an insane amount of factors that would qualify someone for a position like that.

You are right. We don't need another brilliant, selfish asshole... 16 years is enough... We need leadership.

Heck if we go by scholastic standards, than President Bush was more intelligent than both Al Gore and John Kerry. Yet I have no doubt you supported them while calling the President an idiot.

Bush is a brilliant man. In 2000, he promised his wealthy supporters he would line their pockets handsomely if they helped scare the rest of us into putting him in the Whitehouse... Mission Accomplished. I don't question his smarts, just his leadership - I'm tired of being led that direction. I'm ready for a change from the politics of the professional lobby that have guided this country for the last 20 years.

And honestly, for such a Brilliant man, Obama's preformance has been very lacking. Particularly in issues of judgment.

I do not understand this statement... do you question his judgement on running for president? If success is a measure, I think his judgement is pretty close to spot on!

-Joe

 

[DiamondDave]

God bless you for your service, but honestly, stop talking shit about Obama.

This is a guy who worked his way to the top, and then went back to serve his community when he could have gone to work in corporate law and made millions of dollars. He was the President of the Harvard Law Review. Do you know what that means? That means he was the smartest guy at the Harvard Law School. I met a guy who is a federal judge whose daughter just graduated from Harvard Law, and she makes $450,000 a year. She makes more than her father does as a federal judge! Obama could have taken that route, but he chose to go back to his community and help people who had lost their jobs when their plant closed down. Do a little reading outside right wing blogs on Obama. He is a very brilliant and a very good man.

The man turned down work... and went to "community organizing".... he did not work his way to the top...

He spouts off statements like "hope", "dream", etc without a clue.... has no clue how to really pay for any of the things he proposes, and no clue how much it will cost.... he has a great foundation of inequality.. he has a fundamental belief in handouts and something for nothing... he has marxist and socialist agenda items...

He is a true American's worst nightmare... a vote for Obama is a vote against equality, freedom, individual rights, and personal responsibility... If he does somehow get elected, welcome to the nanny state of Obama.... handouts for votes and power... don't dare use speech to oppose his socialist ideas... Robin Hood socialism for all...

 

[Red Dawn]

The man turned down work... and went to "community organizing".... he did not work his way to the top...

He spouts off statements like "hope", "dream", etc without a clue.... has no clue how to really pay for any of the things he proposes, and no clue how much it will cost.... he has a great foundation of inequality.. he has a fundamental belief in handouts and something for nothing... he has marxist and socialist agenda items...

He is a true American's worst nightmare... a vote for Obama is a vote against equality, freedom, individual rights, and personal responsibility... If he does somehow get elected, welcome to the nanny state of Obama.... handouts for votes and power... don't dare use speech to oppose his socialist ideas... Robin Hood socialism for all...

LOL

Hey dude, do you think I give a crap if you neg rep me?

Neg repping is childish. Totally high school. This is a message board - do you think I give a crap if a two time Bush voter neg reps me?

LMAO!

 

[editec]

From the quote you provided Editec...




So now provide the data he did not fall in THAT group.

Or what?

You won't vote for Obama?

I guess I can live with that outcome.

Did you miss the part where Obama became the EDITOR of the Harvard Law Review?

Do you suppose that they elected him the EDITOR because he was Black, amigo?

I mean, really...do you think that the staff of the Harvard Law Review is going to allow somebody whose only qualification for being on the staff is that he is Black, is ALSO going to make him their BOSS, again, out of their sense of White guilt?

You really do think that, don't you?

More like you wish it were true, I suspect.

 

[Caligirl]

The country is worse off today than it was four years ago, and much worse off today than it was eight years ago. John McCain has voted with Bush over 90% of the time.

I wish it were otherwise, but them's the numbers as I understand it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Or what?

You won't vote for Obama?

I guess I can live with that outcome.

Did you miss the part where Obama became the EDITOR of the Harvard Law Review?

Do you suppose that they elected him the EDITOR because he was Black, amigo?

I mean, really...do you think that the staff of the Harvard Law Review is going to allow somebody whose only qualification for being on the staff is that he is Black, is ALSO going to make him their BOSS, again, out of their sense of White guilt?

You really do think that, don't you?

More like you wish it were true, I suspect.

Well, I think you shredded some misinformed conservatives here. Being president of Harvard Law Review isn't some popularity context, like high school class president. Its a competitive process based largely on merit, as you pointed out.

In other news, can somebody please tell cons that Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School?

 

[Caligirl]

You can tell someone's intelligence by their crispness of thought and ability to speak in a logical, rational manner. McCain and Obama are both highly intelligent, clearly.

The presidency is not a contest for the highest IQ. The ability to work with others is at least as important if not more so.

 

[Silence]

we've had a dumbass who refuses to listen to other people in the white house for 8 years.

McCain is smart but he refuses to listen to other people just like Bush.

Obama is smart AND he'll listen to other people.

I'll go with 2 for 2 personally.

 

[editec]

Oh I suspect in the raw intellectual horsepower race, Obama is pretty clearly way ahead.

But raw intelligence doesn't count for much, really.

So the question is can Obama galvinize the people who matter behind his policies if elected?

I think he can.

I think he might be the best POTUS we will ever see in our lifetimes if he can, too.

Truning around the wholesale abandonment of the welfare of American middle class isn't going to be an easy task, folks.

There are many laws and too many policies which have to do a total about face to change things the way most of us want to see them change.

And Obama is basically taking over a broken goverment, a broken economy, a broken foreign policy, and an entrenched powerful group of the wealthiest people on earth with plenty of money to buy votes and influence in Congress.

If O becomes too successful and too popular, and I fear for his life.

Yeah, that's how cynical I am.

Yeah, that's how I think these big boys play the game.

Finding a lone gunman isn't all that hard.

Finding a lone patsy to stand in as the lone gunman? Somebody that can get killed before the trial?

Even easier.

When the stakes are as high as the heart and could of the this nation?

Bet your ass killing a POTUS can be part of the hidden agenda.

We live in an EMPIRE, folks.

Put away your childish belief that the nation is run by good guys.

It's run by terribly clever people who are quite used to making decisions which end up with body counts.

 

[AVG-JOE]

...He is a true American's worst nightmare... a vote for Obama is a vote against equality, freedom, individual rights, and personal responsibility... If he does somehow get elected, welcome to the nanny state of Obama.... handouts for votes and power... don't dare use speech to oppose his socialist ideas... Robin Hood socialism for all...

How do you figure? Do you think he is going to be escorted to Washington by Storm Troopers?

Give me some specifics on how you think an Obama Presidency might reduce equality. Give me a reason to think he would take any of what little freedom I have left. Give me an example of what makes you think he has a problem with individual rights. Let me know why you think he would want me to abdicate my personal responsibility to government.

Without specifics, you are simply spouting the Karl Rove party line of fear. Dude, don't be a sheep.

-Joe

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Well, I think you shredded some misinformed conservatives here. Being president of Harvard Law Review isn't some popularity context, like high school class president. Its a competitive process based largely on merit, as you pointed out.

In other news, can somebody please tell cons that Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School?

I notice you retreated from your ignorant rant on MY disability and retirement. Good move. Maybe you do have 3 brain cells after all?

 

[editec]

I notice you retreated from your ignorant rant on MY disability and retirement. Good move. Maybe you do have 3 brain cells after all?

And I NOTICED that you failed to acknowledge that your objection to Obama is largeley based on what I suspect is your heartfelt wish that he was on the Harvard Law Review just because he was Black.

Tell me, RGS, were you as covertly racist while you were in the Corps as you are now?

Somehow I doubt it. I suspect you didn't see White or Black or Brown I suspect you saw GREEN.

Your enforced retirement isn't doing good things to your mental disposition, I think.

Lord knows the same can be about me, so don't think I'm just picking on you just because you're retired and angry about it.

Know that even those who merely sit and wait still serve the cause, comrade.

Expressing your opinions in this public forum, while not as satisfying as your previous post, is STILL something that you are doing that is important to this nation.

I seriously mean that, amigo.

Without people like you, I couldn't even imagine what people like you think.

Without people like you to challenge my opinions, I would never have to stop and reevaluate them, either.

I look forward to reading your opinions even though I think they are usually completely wrong, I believe they are honestly offered and damn! Honesty is in short supply in this nation of late, isn't it?

semper fi, bro.

 

[DiamondDave]

How do you figure? Do you think he is going to be escorted to Washington by Storm Troopers?

Give me some specifics on how you think an Obama Presidency might reduce equality. Give me a reason to think he would take any of what little freedom I have left. Give me an example of what makes you think he has a problem with individual rights. Let me know why you think he would want me to abdicate my personal responsibility to government.

Without specifics, you are simply spouting the Karl Rove party line of fear. Dude, don't be a sheep.

-Joe

1) Equality goes across the board... not just on a race or gender issue... Equality means ones does not take any more or one does not receive any more than anyone else... equality is being on the same playing field with the same rules... not a system of punishment for accomplishment... Obama is not about equality, he is about marxist based redistribution, which may sound OK to the lazy, but is far from being truly based in equality

2) Taking from one to pay for another... handouts of socialized or government run healthcare, when YOU are the ONLY ONE responsible for YOUR OWN WELL BEING... having mommy government allocate your needs to you... that is the epitome of taking away from personal responsibility to feed into the power and control system of a socialist power scheme

3) As FREE individuals we have the freedom to succeed that goes hand in hand with the freedom to fail... it is not he job of government to kiss your personal boo-boos