No, me boy. No one's head explodes. All rational people absolutely expect pictures like this out of you. No surprise there.We need more families like this to stop evil
-Geaux
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Mass Shootings Are a Symptom of a Problem That Gun Control Won’t Solve
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Yeah, well, we blame you.
Hell, that's what you blame for everything. Toilet clogged up? Democrats. They invented toilet clogging.
... well, they are generally full of shit and tend to be anal but, "everything" ...
No, they are not. But it does sound exactly like your describing yourself.
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Mental Illness is the real issue.
Yeah, that and fucked up parents. I'd much rather these sickos used baseball bats instead of AR-15s with high-capacity magazines. Why does this only happen in the U.S.? Gee, I wonder. Apparently the NRA hasn't infiltrated/infected other countries yet.
Why does this only happen in the US? Well because it doesn’t only happen in the US. That is a false narrative started by BO, and swallowed hook, line and sinker by ignorant Libs who can’t be bothered to fact check.
Sorry, Despite Gun-Control Advocates' Claims, U.S. Isn't The Worst Country For Mass Shootings | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD
President Obama talked about it a lot, including in June of 2015, after a gunman shot nine people in a Charleston, North Carolina church: "Let's be clear: At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries," Obama said.
So who's tops? Surprisingly, Norway is, with an outlier mass shooting death rate of 1.888 per million (high no doubt because of the rifle assault by political extremist Anders Brevik that claimed 77 lives in 2011). No. 2 is Serbia, at just 0.381, followed by France at 0.347, Macedonia at 0.337, and Albania at 0.206. Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and Czech Republic all follow. Then comes the U.S., at No. 11, with a death rate of 0.089.
Mental Illness is the real issue.[/QUOTE
Two problems. Experts who have analyzed mass shootings say that mental illness is a factor in between 2.5% and 3.5% of the cases. Bad as that is, it leaves over 95% with no way to blame mental illness.
"Evidence-Based Facts
Mass shootings by people with serious mental illness represent less than 1% of all yearly gun-related homicides. In contrast, deaths by suicide using firearms account for the majority of yearly gun-related deaths.
The overall contribution of people with serious mental illness to violent crimes is only about 3%. When these crimes are examined in detail, an even smaller percentage of them are found to involve firearms".
https://psychiatryonline.org/doi/pdf/10.5555/appi.books.9781615371099
There is a big push for gun control right now. But shouldn't we be looking at why these shootings happen?
Mass Shootings Are a Symptom of a Problem That Gun Control Won’t Solve
School shootings are a symptom of a very large, very dangerous problem. They are not simply a symptom of a need for gun control, or a symptom of a lack of accessible mental health services, or a symptom of an over-medicated, desensitized youth population.
Way too late and night and way too longwinded an article to peruse ATM but yes without knowing where she's going with this, it is indeed past time to look at root causes.
I've got my own pet theories whether we're on the same track or not --- in an earlier discussion I opined that mass shooting stems basically from the same motivation as rape.
But absolutely, way past time to quit fixating on symptoms and finally attack the disease.
there is no hope of cure without DIAGNOSIS
Wrong. It’s our failed cultural diversity experimentSwitzerland, like every other advanced nation except the US lacks two things that the US has.Just check out Switzerland for example. High ratio of gun ownership vs population yet they have not had a mass shooting since 2001. Clearly, America exceeds that via a failed diversity, cultural experiment
-Geaux
1. Easy availability of assault weapons.
2. The NRA
-Geaux
investors business daily is a right wing nut case source. No one but other cons look at it as reliable for anything except supporting conservative causes.Mental Illness is the real issue.
Yeah, that and fucked up parents. I'd much rather these sickos used baseball bats instead of AR-15s with high-capacity magazines. Why does this only happen in the U.S.? Gee, I wonder. Apparently the NRA hasn't infiltrated/infected other countries yet.
Why does this only happen in the US? Well because it doesn’t only happen in the US. That is a false narrative started by BO, and swallowed hook, line and sinker by ignorant Libs who can’t be bothered to fact check.
Sorry, Despite Gun-Control Advocates' Claims, U.S. Isn't The Worst Country For Mass Shootings | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD
President Obama talked about it a lot, including in June of 2015, after a gunman shot nine people in a Charleston, North Carolina church: "Let's be clear: At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries," Obama said.
So who's tops? Surprisingly, Norway is, with an outlier mass shooting death rate of 1.888 per million (high no doubt because of the rifle assault by political extremist Anders Brevik that claimed 77 lives in 2011). No. 2 is Serbia, at just 0.381, followed by France at 0.347, Macedonia at 0.337, and Albania at 0.206. Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and Czech Republic all follow. Then comes the U.S., at No. 11, with a death rate of 0.089.
The rest of the sources out there fully disagree with what is said by IBD. If, that is, you are talking about mass shootings, which is the subject of the discussion.
"Mass shootings do happen in other countries. But they do not happen with the same frequency as in the United States.
Two researchers -- Jaclyn Schildkraut of the State University of New York in Oswego and H. Jaymi Elsass of Texas State University -- analyzed mass shootings in 11 countries, covering the period from 2000-14. Aside from the United States, they looked at Australia, Canada, China, England, Finland, France, Germany, Mexico, Norway and Switzerland.
The United States has more mass shootings -- and more people cumulatively killed or injured -- than the other 10 nations combined, according to their research. While part of this is because the United States has a much bigger population than all but China, the difference can’t be explained by skewed population numbers alone."
What we know about mass shootings
Just check out Switzerland for example. High ratio of gun ownership vs population yet they have not had a mass shooting since 2001. Clearly, America exceeds that via a failed diversity, cultural experiment
-Geaux
Switzerland doesn't have the gun culture we do.
By which I mean the perverse mentality that the solution to every problem is to shoot it, blow it up, or some other knuckledragger brute force.
We need more families like this to stop evil
-Geaux
Ah, thank you for illustrating "mental illness" pictographically.
Yeah this is pretty sick, abusing women like this. I trust it's a Photoshop.
Parents definitely can play a part, yes. If you think the NRA has anything to do with school shootings I can't help but laugh.Mental Illness is the real issue.
Yeah, that and fucked up parents. I'd much rather these sickos used baseball bats instead of AR-15s with high-capacity magazines. Why does this only happen in the U.S.? Gee, I wonder. Apparently the NRA hasn't infiltrated/infected other countries yet.
It certainly ensures that said shooters don't have to look far for their instrument of choice.
Or hadn't you even noticed?
I'd support some increased regulations to make things a bit safer on the margins, but the fact is this is a cultural issue.There is a big push for gun control right now. But shouldn't we be looking at why these shootings happen?
Mass Shootings Are a Symptom of a Problem That Gun Control Won’t Solve
School shootings are a symptom of a very large, very dangerous problem. They are not simply a symptom of a need for gun control, or a symptom of a lack of accessible mental health services, or a symptom of an over-medicated, desensitized youth population.
I didn't see any kids in the march, or left wingers in general, talking about the constant glorification of thug culture, rap "music" that talks about violence and "bitches", or about the proliferation of violent video games and TV show and movies.
Why not? There's no political advantage there.
As long as we ignore our culture in decay, the slaughters continue.
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No, me boy. No one's head explodes. All rational people absolutely expect pictures like this out of you. No surprise there.We need more families like this to stop evil
-Geaux
Actually I expect pictures of the Klan marching on Wisconsin trolley tracks.
But that's another epic Geaux-Pa faux pas.
I'd support some increased regulations to make things a bit safer on the margins, but the fact is this is a cultural issue.There is a big push for gun control right now. But shouldn't we be looking at why these shootings happen?
Mass Shootings Are a Symptom of a Problem That Gun Control Won’t Solve
School shootings are a symptom of a very large, very dangerous problem. They are not simply a symptom of a need for gun control, or a symptom of a lack of accessible mental health services, or a symptom of an over-medicated, desensitized youth population.
I didn't see any kids in the march, or left wingers in general, talking about the constant glorification of thug culture, rap "music" that talks about violence and "bitches", or about the proliferation of violent video games and TV show and movies.
Why not? There's no political advantage there.
As long as we ignore our culture in decay, the slaughters continue.
"Political advantage" is irrelevant. You just noted, and correctly, twice, that this is a cultural issue. You don't shift culture with politics.
The kids have been talking about this aspect, I've heard them. And that should be encouraged.
There is a big push for gun control right now. But shouldn't we be looking at why these shootings happen?
Mass Shootings Are a Symptom of a Problem That Gun Control Won’t Solve
School shootings are a symptom of a very large, very dangerous problem. They are not simply a symptom of a need for gun control, or a symptom of a lack of accessible mental health services, or a symptom of an over-medicated, desensitized youth population.
Way too late and night and way too longwinded an article to peruse ATM but yes without knowing where she's going with this, it is indeed past time to look at root causes.
I've got my own pet theories whether we're on the same track or not --- in an earlier discussion I opined that mass shooting stems basically from the same motivation as rape.
But absolutely, way past time to quit fixating on symptoms and finally attack the disease.
So finally in the light of mid-day I read the OP article to find out where she's going. It was no easy task as she meanders forever before getting to her point (think Emily). But once there it was worth it because the writer for all her circumlocution has it the nail spot on the head.
>> Our problem, a problem that has bled into every level of our society, is simple. We are a nation that does not value life.
This country was built on the genocide of its native inhabitants and not long after we bought and sold humans as if they were commodities. We have occupied nations and murdered their inhabitants for years. We have been at war with the idea of terror for SIXTEEN YEARS. And we wholeheartedly support a nation actively engaged in apartheid.
Each one of these things is woven into the fabric of our very beings. Each one of these things is connected to our identity as citizens of the United States. And each one of these things influences the actions of our nation today. On our own soil there continues to be a race and class struggle that results in the ruining of lives and actual loss of life. Halfway around the world our nation is responsible for the murder of innocent lives. Every single day children die at the hands of the United States or because of something our nation had its hands in. There is no ignoring this and there is no way to gloss it over.
The United States is DIRECTLY responsible for the deaths of over 4 million Muslims. Four million. Pause for a moment and let that number sit in your mind. Picture it and then try to picture 4 million people. Do you even know what 4 million people looks like? That’s the population of Los Angeles.
And who bats an eye? Hardly anyone. Collateral damage. Consequences. We make excuses daily. But every time we allow more death and destruction in our names, we allow that death and destruction to seep into the fabric of who we are.
The children who are dying at the hands of their classmates have lived in a world in which their nation has been at war for their entire lives. They see it on the news, they see television shows and movies that glorify the war on terror, and they play video games set in actual war zones. Most of us cannot even begin to imagine how this might influence development or perception of the world, reality, and understanding of the role we play the greater collective of humanity. They have grown up with a constant enemy, a constant vibration of unrest and violence in their universe.
... But the problem is us. The problem is our culture. As long as we praise a former president who carried out hundreds of drone strikes, as long as we idly sit by while we provide the means for deadly famine in Yemen, as long as we refuse to aid victims of natural disasters, continue to spend $8.3 million per hour on war and perpetuate a culture of sexual exploitation of minors, school shootings, mass shootings, and other untold violence will continue on our soil.
It’s high time we remove the bandages and repair the underlying disease and decay that is embedded in the flesh of our nation. We must fully grasp our place in the universal collective of the human race and act with love, compassion and caring toward our physical neighbors as well as our brothers and sisters across the globe. We are one. And until we act like it our nation will continue to crumble, and reports of school shootings and violence will continue to flash across television screens across the country and on smart phones in the hands of Americans. <<
This country was built on the genocide of its native inhabitants and not long after we bought and sold humans as if they were commodities. We have occupied nations and murdered their inhabitants for years. We have been at war with the idea of terror for SIXTEEN YEARS. And we wholeheartedly support a nation actively engaged in apartheid.
Each one of these things is woven into the fabric of our very beings. Each one of these things is connected to our identity as citizens of the United States. And each one of these things influences the actions of our nation today. On our own soil there continues to be a race and class struggle that results in the ruining of lives and actual loss of life. Halfway around the world our nation is responsible for the murder of innocent lives. Every single day children die at the hands of the United States or because of something our nation had its hands in. There is no ignoring this and there is no way to gloss it over.
The United States is DIRECTLY responsible for the deaths of over 4 million Muslims. Four million. Pause for a moment and let that number sit in your mind. Picture it and then try to picture 4 million people. Do you even know what 4 million people looks like? That’s the population of Los Angeles.
And who bats an eye? Hardly anyone. Collateral damage. Consequences. We make excuses daily. But every time we allow more death and destruction in our names, we allow that death and destruction to seep into the fabric of who we are.
The children who are dying at the hands of their classmates have lived in a world in which their nation has been at war for their entire lives. They see it on the news, they see television shows and movies that glorify the war on terror, and they play video games set in actual war zones. Most of us cannot even begin to imagine how this might influence development or perception of the world, reality, and understanding of the role we play the greater collective of humanity. They have grown up with a constant enemy, a constant vibration of unrest and violence in their universe.
... But the problem is us. The problem is our culture. As long as we praise a former president who carried out hundreds of drone strikes, as long as we idly sit by while we provide the means for deadly famine in Yemen, as long as we refuse to aid victims of natural disasters, continue to spend $8.3 million per hour on war and perpetuate a culture of sexual exploitation of minors, school shootings, mass shootings, and other untold violence will continue on our soil.
It’s high time we remove the bandages and repair the underlying disease and decay that is embedded in the flesh of our nation. We must fully grasp our place in the universal collective of the human race and act with love, compassion and caring toward our physical neighbors as well as our brothers and sisters across the globe. We are one. And until we act like it our nation will continue to crumble, and reports of school shootings and violence will continue to flash across television screens across the country and on smart phones in the hands of Americans. <<
"We are a nation that does not value life". As I keep putting it, a culture of Death. That sums it up in a single sentence. All these butthurt attacks on kids crying out for their own lives, all this pseudo-patriotic bullshit from the NRA and its useful idiots on boards like this, the pic in post 14, the fact that we have been at some war or other for not only these kids' lifetimes but our own as well, the fact that we spend more on War than the most of the rest of the world put together, these are manifestations of that Culture of Death and screaming clues to what our underlying issue really is.
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Yeah, well, we blame you.
Well of course you do.... you wouldn't be a hypocritical liberal Democrat otherwise...
Yeah, well, we blame you.
Well of course you do.... you wouldn't be a hypocritical liberal Democrat otherwise...
See what I mean about "everything"?
QED. You can't help yourself.
Say, it's a bit cold out. Must be "Democrats".
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Hell, that's what you blame for everything. Toilet clogged up? Democrats. They invented toilet clogging.
No, they are not. But it does sound exactly like your describing yourself.
You seem rather anal but time will tell, welcome to the USMB rsherman...
...don't be a Pogo...
Hell, that's what you blame for everything. Toilet clogged up? Democrats. They invented toilet clogging.
No, they are not. But it does sound exactly like your describing yourself.
You seem rather anal but time will tell, welcome to the USMB rsherman...
Damn. I had to squint to read some of this. Must be Democrats degrading my eyes. Yeah that's it.
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Hell, that's what you blame for everything. Toilet clogged up? Democrats. They invented toilet clogging.
No, they are not. But it does sound exactly like your describing yourself.
You seem rather anal but time will tell, welcome to the USMB rsherman...
Damn. I had to squint to read some of this. Must be Democrats degrading my eyes. Yeah that's it.
Yawn...
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