Mass genocide, last 100 years, incl. Holocaust (on 6 million Jews)

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    You left out Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, and George W. Bush..why is that?

    And Eisenhower.

    Those numbers on Johnson and Nixon are way off. They were responsible for millions of deaths. At least 2 to 3 million.
     
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    How do you figure that for Nixon? As much as I detest the man he got us out of Vietnam. You should reserve your ire for Johnson who perpetrated that particular outrage.
     
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    Nurenberg Trial Testimony of Rudolf Hoess, Commandant of Auschwitz


    DR. KAUFFMANN: Is it true that in 1941 you were ordered to Berlin to see Himmler? Please state briefly what was discussed.
    HOESS: Yes. In the summer of 1941 1 was summoned to Berlin to Reichsfáhrer SS Himmler to receive personal orders. He told me something to the effect--I do not remember the exact words--that the Fuffrer had given the order for a final solution of the Jewish question. We, the SS, must carry out that order. If it is not carried out now then the Jews will later on destroy the German people. He had chosen Auschwitz on account of its easy access by rail and also because the extensive site offered space for measures ensuring isolation.
    DR. KAUFFMANN: During that conference did Himmler tell you that this planned action had to be treated as a secret Reich matter?
    HOESS: Yes. He stressed that point. He told me that I was not even allowed to say anything about it to my immediate superior Gruppenfáhrer Glácks. This conference concerned the two of us only and I was to observe the strictest secrecy.
    DR. KAUFFMANN: What was the position held by Glácks whom you have just mentioned?
    HOESS: Gruppenfáhrer Glácks was, so to speak, the inspector of concentration camps at that time and he was immediately subordinate to the Reichsfáhrer.
    DR. KAUFFMANN: Does the expression "secret Reich matter" mean that no one was permitted to make even the slightest allusion to outsiders without endangering his own life?
    HOESS: Yes, "secret Reich matter" means that no one was allowed to speak about these matters with any person and that everyone promised upon his life to keep the utmost secrecy.
    DR. KAUFFMANN: Did you happen to break that promise?
    HOESS: No, not until the end of 1942.
    DR. KAUFFMANN: Why do you mention that date? Did you talk to outsiders after that date?
    HOESS: At the end of 1942 my wife's curiosity was aroused by remarks made by the then Gauleiter of Upper Silesia, regarding happenings in my camp. She asked me whether this was the truth and I admitted that it was. That was my only breach of the promise I had given to the Reichsfáhrer. Otherwise I have never talked about it to anyone else.
    DR. KAUFFMANN: When did you meet Eichmann?
    HOESS: I met Eichmann about 4 weeks after having received that order from the Reichsfáhrer. He came to Auschwitz to discuss the details with me on the carrying out of the given order. As the Reichsfáhrer had told me during our discussion, he had instructed Eichmann to discuss the carrying out of the order with me and I was to receive all further instructions from him.
    DR. KAUFFMANN: Will you briefly tell whether it is correct that the camp of Auschwitz was completely isolated, describing the measures taken to insure as far as possible the secrecy of carrying out of the task given to you.
    HOESS: The Auschwitz camp as such was about 3 kilometers away from the town. About 20,000 acres of the surrounding country had been cleared of all former inhabitants, and the entire area could be entered only by SS men or civilian employees who had special passes. The actual compound called "Birkenau," where later on the extermination camp was constructed, was situated 2 kilometers from the Auschwitz camp. The camp installations themselves, that is to say, the provisional installations used at first were deep in the woods and could from nowhere be detected by the eye. In addition to that, this area had been declared a prohibited area and even members of the SS who did not have a special pass could not enter it. Thus, as far as one could judge, it was impossible for anyone except authorized persons to enter that area.
    DR. KAUFFMANN: And then the railway transports arrived. During what period did these transports arrive and about how many people, roughly, were in such a transport?
    HOESS: During the whole period up until 1944 certain operations were carried out at irregular intervals in the different countries, so that one cannot speak of a continuous flow of incoming transports. It was always a matter of 4 to 6 weeks. During those 4 to 6 weeks two to three trains, containing about 2,000 persons each, arrived daily. These trains were first of all shunted to a siding in the Birkenau region and the locomotives then went back. The guards who had accompanied the transport had to leave the area at once and the persons who had been brought in were taken over by guards belonging to the camp.
    They were there examined by two SS medical officers as to their fitness for work. The internees capable of work at once marched to Auschwitz or to the camp at Birkenau and those incapable of work were at first taken to the provisional installations, then later to the newly constructed crematoria.

    DR. KAUFFMANN: During an interrogation I had with you the other day you told me that about 60 men were designated to receive these transports, and that these 60 persons, too, had been bound to the same secrecy described before. Do you still maintain that today?
    HOESS: Yes, these 60 men were always on hand to take the internees not capable of work to these provisional installations and later on to the other ones. This group, consisting of about ten leaders and subleaders, as well as doctors and medical personnel, had repeatedly been told, both in writing and verbally, that they were bound to the strictest secrecy as to all that went on in the camps.

    Read the full Testimony:
    Testimony of Rodolf Hoess in the Nuremberg Trial
     
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    German “intellectuals”, as Alfred Rosenberg and Julius Streicher, arranged the theft of fine art, assets and furniture from the Jews who were sent to be executed in the concentration and extermination camp all over Europe. Nuremberg court found them guilty by their own admission and by their part testimonies.

    Ernst Kaltenbrunner, Chief of RSHA (an organization which includes offices of the Gestapo, the SD, and the Criminal Police) and Chief of Security Police admitted in Nuremberg Tribunal that the Gestapo was the main contractor to apply the “Final Solution” which achieved the murder of 6 million Jews whom 2 million of them were killed by the Einsatzgruppen and the rest 4 million in various concentration camps (most of them at Auschwitz).
     
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    Are you deliberately acting an idiot, or are you an idiot by nature?

    No one is disputing that Nazis were killing people of all ethnicities. No one is disputing that Nazis were committing mass murders of people of all ethnicities.

    But "mass murder" doesn't mean "genocide". And the so called "final solution" WAS NOT a plan for genocide of the Jews.

    More to the point: American wealthy Jews, especially of Wall Street were COLLABORATING with the Nazis on "final solution". They were financing Nazi's "activities" in Europe, in particular against European Jews, so that Nazis continue making life for European Jews living hell forcing them to emigrate to Palestine.

    Do you understand that?
     
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    soooo...are you arguing that the holocaust wasn't really a holocaust? Just mass murder? And the jews were in on it?

    That's...interesting.....
     

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