Martial Law...Would you support Trump taking such measure?

[progressive hunter]

Is there really any other way to regain control of federal law and restore order?
Do you really see Americans taking their country back by way of standard operating procedures through the bureaucracy?

I know the notion of such aggressive action scares the piss out of you “give me liberty or give me death” types...but stop and think for a second...you are losing you liberties to the AOC’s and the commie-lites one day at a time anyhoo.

P.S.- Don’t let this thread scare the piss out of you...there is no topic on this board that is more POLITICAL than this.

your premise is not just false but crazy talk,,,
since when has trump pushed fed law as per the constitution???

most of what hes done is in violation of the constitution

You Mexicrats have leveraged federal law to a point where it has no teeth...What good is law / authority that can’t be imposed or be effective?

sorry loser but i'm not a democrat,,,I just see you republicans for what you are,,,democrat light,,,

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Is there really any other way to regain control of federal law and restore order?
Do you really see Americans taking their country back by way of standard operating procedures through the bureaucracy?

I know the notion of such aggressive action scares the piss out of you “give me liberty or give me death” types...but stop and think for a second...you are losing you liberties to the AOC’s and the commie-lites one day at a time anyhoo.

P.S.- Don’t let this thread scare the piss out of you...there is no topic on this board that is more POLITICAL than this.

You were born about 100 years to late and in the wrong country.

Trust me, I know there is no way in hell you ‘Don’t Tread On Me Tough Guys’ could or would ever get behind such an extreme measure.
I’m fully aware that you’ll ride the sinking ship to the bottom standing firm on your ‘principles’.

That is correct. If we do not have principles and integrity, what do we have?

If you wish to live in a country devoid of liberty I can give you some good choices to pick from.

 

[RDD_1210]

Is there really any other way to regain control of federal law and restore order?
Do you really see Americans taking their country back by way of standard operating procedures through the bureaucracy?

I know the notion of such aggressive action scares the piss out of you “give me liberty or give me death” types...but stop and think for a second...you are losing you liberties to the AOC’s and the commie-lites one day at a time anyhoo.

P.S.- Don’t let this thread scare the piss out of you...there is no topic on this board that is more POLITICAL than this.

You were born about 100 years to late and in the wrong country.

Trust me, I know there is no way in hell you ‘Don’t Tread On Me Tough Guys’ could or would ever get behind such an extreme measure.
I’m fully aware that you’ll ride the sinking ship to the bottom standing firm on your ‘principles’.

That is correct. If we do not have principles and integrity, what do we have?

If you wish to live in a country devoid of liberty I can give you some good choices to pick from.

He wants liberty for white people.

 

[B. Kidd]

I personally detest martials.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Is there really any other way to regain control of federal law and restore order?
Do you really see Americans taking their country back by way of standard operating procedures through the bureaucracy?

I know the notion of such aggressive action scares the piss out of you “give me liberty or give me death” types...but stop and think for a second...you are losing you liberties to the AOC’s and the commie-lites one day at a time anyhoo.

P.S.- Don’t let this thread scare the piss out of you...there is no topic on this board that is more POLITICAL than this.

What liberties have you lost? Be specific.

For now, let’s go with one so you can stay focused.
My right to sovereignty.....Your turn

I said be specific. How has your right to sovereignty been taken away? Specifically.

Come on bud...playing stupid is no way to rebut.
When elected officials refuse to enforce the laws laid on the books by REAL Americans they are essentially compromising the rights of the citizenry.
Think once...If politicians forced law enforcement to stop arresting drunk drivers they are depriving me of a right to drive on safe roadways.

 

[Nosmo King]

Is there really any other way to regain control of federal law and restore order?
Do you really see Americans taking their country back by way of standard operating procedures through the bureaucracy?

I know the notion of such aggressive action scares the piss out of you “give me liberty or give me death” types...but stop and think for a second...you are losing you liberties to the AOC’s and the commie-lites one day at a time anyhoo.

P.S.- Don’t let this thread scare the piss out of you...there is no topic on this board that is more POLITICAL than this.

What liberties have you lost? Be specific.

For now, let’s go with one so you can stay focused.
My right to sovereignty.....Your turn

An individual has no "right" to sovereignty.

Haha...right, the Declaration Of Independence doesn’t extend to the citizenry. Sell that lying bullshit...good luck.

You have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but you are not sovereign.

Are you a king?

 

[B. Kidd]

Is there really any other way to regain control of federal law and restore order?
Do you really see Americans taking their country back by way of standard operating procedures through the bureaucracy?

I know the notion of such aggressive action scares the piss out of you “give me liberty or give me death” types...but stop and think for a second...you are losing you liberties to the AOC’s and the commie-lites one day at a time anyhoo.

P.S.- Don’t let this thread scare the piss out of you...there is no topic on this board that is more POLITICAL than this.

What liberties have you lost? Be specific.

For now, let’s go with one so you can stay focused.
My right to sovereignty.....Your turn

I said be specific. How has your right to sovereignty been taken away? Specifically.

Come on bud...playing stupid is no way to rebut.
When elected officials refuse to enforce the laws laid on the books by REAL Americans they are essentially compromising the rights of the citizenry.
Think once...If politicians forced law enforcement to stop arresting drunk drivers they are depriving me of a right to drive on safe roadways.

You could form a 'Road Warrior' vigilante group and enforce safety on your local roads.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Is there really any other way to regain control of federal law and restore order?
Do you really see Americans taking their country back by way of standard operating procedures through the bureaucracy?

I know the notion of such aggressive action scares the piss out of you “give me liberty or give me death” types...but stop and think for a second...you are losing you liberties to the AOC’s and the commie-lites one day at a time anyhoo.

P.S.- Don’t let this thread scare the piss out of you...there is no topic on this board that is more POLITICAL than this.

What liberties have you lost? Be specific.

For now, let’s go with one so you can stay focused.
My right to sovereignty.....Your turn

An individual has no "right" to sovereignty.

Haha...right, the Declaration Of Independence doesn’t extend to the citizenry. Sell that lying bullshit...good luck.

You have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but you are not sovereign.

Are you a king?

Nobody but you has the time to split hairs and play fools semantics.
Americans have a right to sovereignty...You really need to study the Declaration Of Independence and what it means for AMERICANS.

 

[RDD_1210]

Is there really any other way to regain control of federal law and restore order?
Do you really see Americans taking their country back by way of standard operating procedures through the bureaucracy?

I know the notion of such aggressive action scares the piss out of you “give me liberty or give me death” types...but stop and think for a second...you are losing you liberties to the AOC’s and the commie-lites one day at a time anyhoo.

P.S.- Don’t let this thread scare the piss out of you...there is no topic on this board that is more POLITICAL than this.

What liberties have you lost? Be specific.

For now, let’s go with one so you can stay focused.
My right to sovereignty.....Your turn

I said be specific. How has your right to sovereignty been taken away? Specifically.

Come on bud...playing stupid is no way to rebut.
When elected officials refuse to enforce the laws laid on the books by REAL Americans they are essentially compromising the rights of the citizenry.
Think once...If politicians forced law enforcement to stop arresting drunk drivers they are depriving me of a right to drive on safe roadways.

OK so you gave me a good hypothetical. But since no one has stopped drunk drivers from being arrested, try giving me a real world example of how this is happening to you right now.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Is there really any other way to regain control of federal law and restore order?
Do you really see Americans taking their country back by way of standard operating procedures through the bureaucracy?

I know the notion of such aggressive action scares the piss out of you “give me liberty or give me death” types...but stop and think for a second...you are losing you liberties to the AOC’s and the commie-lites one day at a time anyhoo.

P.S.- Don’t let this thread scare the piss out of you...there is no topic on this board that is more POLITICAL than this.

What liberties have you lost? Be specific.

For now, let’s go with one so you can stay focused.
My right to sovereignty.....Your turn

I said be specific. How has your right to sovereignty been taken away? Specifically.

Come on bud...playing stupid is no way to rebut.
When elected officials refuse to enforce the laws laid on the books by REAL Americans they are essentially compromising the rights of the citizenry.
Think once...If politicians forced law enforcement to stop arresting drunk drivers they are depriving me of a right to drive on safe roadways.

You could form a 'Road Warrior' vigilante group and enforce safety on your local roads.

Fuck that sounds so cool and macho.

 

[Nosmo King]

What liberties have you lost? Be specific.

For now, let’s go with one so you can stay focused.
My right to sovereignty.....Your turn

An individual has no "right" to sovereignty.

Haha...right, the Declaration Of Independence doesn’t extend to the citizenry. Sell that lying bullshit...good luck.

You have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but you are not sovereign.

Are you a king?

Nobody but you has the time to split hairs and play fools semantics.
Americans have a right to sovereignty...You really need to study the Declaration Of Independence and what it means for AMERICANS.

YOU ARE NOT SOVEREIGN!

You cannot conduct your own foreign policy. You cannot direct spending as allocated by congress. You cannot mint your own currency. You cannot raise a standing army. You cannot negotiate or void treaties.

YOU ARE NOT SOVEREIGN!

 

[BrokeLoser]

Is there really any other way to regain control of federal law and restore order?
Do you really see Americans taking their country back by way of standard operating procedures through the bureaucracy?

I know the notion of such aggressive action scares the piss out of you “give me liberty or give me death” types...but stop and think for a second...you are losing you liberties to the AOC’s and the commie-lites one day at a time anyhoo.

P.S.- Don’t let this thread scare the piss out of you...there is no topic on this board that is more POLITICAL than this.

What liberties have you lost? Be specific.

For now, let’s go with one so you can stay focused.
My right to sovereignty.....Your turn

I said be specific. How has your right to sovereignty been taken away? Specifically.

Come on bud...playing stupid is no way to rebut.
When elected officials refuse to enforce the laws laid on the books by REAL Americans they are essentially compromising the rights of the citizenry.
Think once...If politicians forced law enforcement to stop arresting drunk drivers they are depriving me of a right to drive on safe roadways.

OK so you gave me a good hypothetical. But since no one has stopped drunk drivers from being arrested, try giving me a real world example of how this is happening to you right now.

I don’t really have the time to play retard games...For ease of understanding I offered you an analogy that flew over your head...OR are you playing stupid again?

 

[B. Kidd]

What liberties have you lost? Be specific.

For now, let’s go with one so you can stay focused.
My right to sovereignty.....Your turn

I said be specific. How has your right to sovereignty been taken away? Specifically.

Come on bud...playing stupid is no way to rebut.
When elected officials refuse to enforce the laws laid on the books by REAL Americans they are essentially compromising the rights of the citizenry.
Think once...If politicians forced law enforcement to stop arresting drunk drivers they are depriving me of a right to drive on safe roadways.

You could form a 'Road Warrior' vigilante group and enforce safety on your local roads.

Fuck that sounds so cool and macho.

If lawlessness reaches a certain point, vigilantism makes a major comeback.

 

[BrokeLoser]

For now, let’s go with one so you can stay focused.
My right to sovereignty.....Your turn

I said be specific. How has your right to sovereignty been taken away? Specifically.

Come on bud...playing stupid is no way to rebut.
When elected officials refuse to enforce the laws laid on the books by REAL Americans they are essentially compromising the rights of the citizenry.
Think once...If politicians forced law enforcement to stop arresting drunk drivers they are depriving me of a right to drive on safe roadways.

You could form a 'Road Warrior' vigilante group and enforce safety on your local roads.

Fuck that sounds so cool and macho.

If lawlessness reaches a certain point, vigilantism makes a major comeback.

That sounds super cool and all but those pushing the lawlessness are smart enough to push it in very small increments...this is their method to ‘condition’ the citizenry...therefore it never reaches that “certain point” you speak of.
You know this...I know you do.

 

[B. Kidd]

I said be specific. How has your right to sovereignty been taken away? Specifically.

Come on bud...playing stupid is no way to rebut.
When elected officials refuse to enforce the laws laid on the books by REAL Americans they are essentially compromising the rights of the citizenry.
Think once...If politicians forced law enforcement to stop arresting drunk drivers they are depriving me of a right to drive on safe roadways.

You could form a 'Road Warrior' vigilante group and enforce safety on your local roads.

Fuck that sounds so cool and macho.

If lawlessness reaches a certain point, vigilantism makes a major comeback.

That sounds super cool and all but those pushing the lawlessness are smart enough to push it in very small increments...this is their method to ‘condition’ the citizenry...therefore it never reaches that “certain point” you speak of.
You know this...I know you do.

Your Gov't cannot save you, if they no longer can protect you.

 

[night_son]

Is there really any other way to regain control of federal law and restore order?
Do you really see Americans taking their country back by way of standard operating procedures through the bureaucracy?

I know the notion of such aggressive action scares the piss out of you “give me liberty or give me death” types...but stop and think for a second...you are losing you liberties to the AOC’s and the commie-lites one day at a time anyhoo.

P.S.- Don’t let this thread scare the piss out of you...there is no topic on this board that is more POLITICAL than this.

Speaking as a patriotic American citizen/soldier who has served his nation for going on twenty-eight years, and with respect for the rule of law, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution; i.e . the good of our civilization, no. No I would not. All that red, white and blue pride expressed, I agree with the core sentiment of your post. Allow me to explain. Our nation is not perfect, however, our nation also embodies historically unprecedented individual liberty, freedom and a contract between the government and people dependent upon said government being able to trust us citizens to "behave" for the common good. Enter our very liberal and overly trusting justice and political system which depends on endless checks and balances and majority decision and a host of failsafe back-up contingencies to prevent our government from going full blown authoritarian. Right, so while our laws, our Constitution and our political and justice system machinery are unique and irreplaceable and afford us those hallowed individual freedoms, they were never engineered to survive relentless ideological and cultural assault, as has been occurring since about the 1930's, worsening in the 60's and going full blown critical from the mid-2000's to now.

What I'm getting at is, is as breathtakingly benevolent and patriotic as our system of "tough love" and "endless debate" government is, it is also very easily used by the enemy of our civilization against us. For decades activist judges, radical left lobbyist groups, postmodernist campus intelligentsia, the media and local government officials have been using our system of government, playing the mechanisms of its inherent benevolence toward freedom of the individual, against us. The Marxists have embedded themselves as deeply as possible in the very nucleus of our American Civilization and from within have been changing our culture, our moral values, our sense of what is normal and acceptable, and using our legal and political processes to poise our entire nation on the verge of a revolution from democracy and capitalism to socio-communism and Party dictatorship, something they like to call the dictatorship of the proletariat.

My point, finally. You might be onto something, Broke. While I would hate to see it come to fruition, as the Marxist/postmodernists have been working from within our official bureaucracies for decades to collapse America as we know it, the only effective countermeasure to purging them from our government, culture and society before they initiate a Bolshevik style violent revolution, could be a temporary conservative takeover of our government backed up by the full might of the military. Wouldn't be pretty, for sure; might be necessary. In coming to this rationale for such an action, I have carefully considered and examined the blatant treachery of Democrat sanctuary city mayors and sanctuary state governors, as well as serving Democrat elected officials and presidential candidates who have and do on a daily basis call for and abet the overt breaking of laws on moral grounds, much the same as the theocratic dictatorships of medieval Europe.

I mean, just consider for a moment the attempted coups against our sitting President and the Democrats' publicly expressed desire to break all manner of laws regarding illegal immigration and "forgiveness" of illegal immigrants who have broken laws to get here and remain within our borders and to provide them with citizen level social benefits. In effect, the Democratic Party has already revolted openly against the laws of our nation and our President and his administration and our entire justice system. One could make a long, reasonable argument that if President Trump did seize total control over our government, he would be justified and on the right side of history in doing so in order to restore the rule of law which the Democrats have and continue to throw into pure chaos. My greatest fear? No matter how patriotic or well meaning, what if POTUS or whoever refused to cede power back to the normal rule of law after any such purge of the Democrat Marxists destroying our nation. But, that's a topic of discussion for a different thread.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Come on bud...playing stupid is no way to rebut.
When elected officials refuse to enforce the laws laid on the books by REAL Americans they are essentially compromising the rights of the citizenry.
Think once...If politicians forced law enforcement to stop arresting drunk drivers they are depriving me of a right to drive on safe roadways.

You could form a 'Road Warrior' vigilante group and enforce safety on your local roads.

Fuck that sounds so cool and macho.

If lawlessness reaches a certain point, vigilantism makes a major comeback.

That sounds super cool and all but those pushing the lawlessness are smart enough to push it in very small increments...this is their method to ‘condition’ the citizenry...therefore it never reaches that “certain point” you speak of.
You know this...I know you do.

Your Gov't cannot save you, if they no longer can protect you.

I’ll save myself when it gets to the breaking point.
The OP was intended to induce a conversation about how far gone government, law and order really is and how only extreme, aggressive action can get things back on track.
The Left has all the momentum moving in their favor...retards know this. That said, they definitely wouldn’t support an aggressive intervention, that would be stupid of them since they own and steer the narrative. Conversely, we have a bunch of folks on the Right whom are scared shitless to support any aggressive action...they’d rather puff up, act like badasses and swear that some day they’ll take to the streets with their yellow flags and guns to force a revolution...haha

 

[anynameyouwish]

Is there really any other way to regain control of federal law and restore order?
Do you really see Americans taking their country back by way of standard operating procedures through the bureaucracy?

I know the notion of such aggressive action scares the piss out of you “give me liberty or give me death” types...but stop and think for a second...you are losing you liberties to the AOC’s and the commie-lites one day at a time anyhoo.

P.S.- Don’t let this thread scare the piss out of you...there is no topic on this board that is more POLITICAL than this.

"I know the notion of such aggressive action scares the piss out of you “give me liberty or give me death” types...but stop and think for a second...you are losing you liberties to the AOC’s and the commie-lites one day at a time anyhoo."


please list these rights you have lost.

 

[B. Kidd]

You could form a 'Road Warrior' vigilante group and enforce safety on your local roads.

Fuck that sounds so cool and macho.

If lawlessness reaches a certain point, vigilantism makes a major comeback.

That sounds super cool and all but those pushing the lawlessness are smart enough to push it in very small increments...this is their method to ‘condition’ the citizenry...therefore it never reaches that “certain point” you speak of.
You know this...I know you do.

Your Gov't cannot save you, if they no longer can protect you.

I’ll save myself when it gets to the breaking point.
The OP was intended to induce a conversation about how far gone government, law and order really is and how only extreme, aggressive action can get things back on track.
The Left has all the momentum moving in their favor...retards know this. That said, they definitely wouldn’t support an aggressive intervention, that would be stupid of them since they own and steer the narrative. Conversely, we have a bunch of folks on the Right whom are scared shitless to support any aggressive action...they’d rather puff up, act like badasses and swear that some day they’ll take to the streets with their yellow flags and guns to force a revolution...haha

The lawlessness seems mainly to be seeping in currently in Democrat enclaves.

 

[anynameyouwish]

Is there really any other way to regain control of federal law and restore order?
Do you really see Americans taking their country back by way of standard operating procedures through the bureaucracy?

I know the notion of such aggressive action scares the piss out of you “give me liberty or give me death” types...but stop and think for a second...you are losing you liberties to the AOC’s and the commie-lites one day at a time anyhoo.

P.S.- Don’t let this thread scare the piss out of you...there is no topic on this board that is more POLITICAL than this.

Speaking as a patriotic American citizen/soldier who has served his nation for going on twenty-eight years, and with respect for the rule of law, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution; i.e . the good of our civilization, no. No I would not. All that red, white and blue pride expressed, I agree with the core sentiment of your post. Allow me to explain. Our nation is not perfect, however, our nation also embodies historically unprecedented individual liberty, freedom and a contract between the government and people dependent upon said government being able to trust us citizens to "behave" for the common good. Enter our very liberal and overly trusting justice and political system which depends on endless checks and balances and majority decision and a host of failsafe back-up contingencies to prevent our government from going full blown authoritarian. Right, so while our laws, our Constitution and our political and justice system machinery are unique and irreplaceable and afford us those hallowed individual freedoms, they were never engineered to survive relentless ideological and cultural assault, as has been occurring since about the 1930's, worsening in the 60's and going full blown critical from the mid-2000's to now.

What I'm getting at is, is as breathtakingly benevolent and patriotic as our system of "tough love" and "endless debate" government is, it is also very easily used by the enemy of our civilization against us. For decades activist judges, radical left lobbyist groups, postmodernist campus intelligentsia, the media and local government officials have been using our system of government, playing the mechanisms of its inherent benevolence toward freedom of the individual, against us. The Marxists have embedded themselves as deeply as possible in the very nucleus of our American Civilization and from within have been changing our culture, our moral values, our sense of what is normal and acceptable, and using our legal and political processes to poise our entire nation on the verge of a revolution from democracy and capitalism to socio-communism and Party dictatorship, something they like to call the dictatorship of the proletariat.

My point, finally. You might be onto something, Broke. While I would hate to see it come to fruition, as the Marxist/postmodernists have been working from within our official bureaucracies for decades to collapse America as we know it, the only effective countermeasure to purging them from our government, culture and society before they initiate a Bolshevik style violent revolution, could be a temporary conservative takeover of our government backed up by the full might of the military. Wouldn't be pretty, for sure; might be necessary. In coming to this rationale for such an action, I have carefully considered and examined the blatant treachery of Democrat sanctuary city mayors and sanctuary state governors, as well as serving Democrat elected officials and presidential candidates who have and do on a daily basis call for and abet the overt breaking of laws on moral grounds, much the same as the theocratic dictatorships of medieval Europe.

I mean, just consider for a moment the attempted coups against our sitting President and the Democrats' publicly expressed desire to break all manner of laws regarding illegal immigration and "forgiveness" of illegal immigrants who have broken laws to get here and remain within our borders and to provide them with citizen level social benefits. In effect, the Democratic Party has already revolted openly against the laws of our nation and our President and his administration and our entire justice system. One could make a long, reasonable argument that if President Trump did seize total control over our government, he would be justified and on the right side of history in doing so in order to restore the rule of law which the Democrats have and continue to throw into pure chaos. My greatest fear? No matter how patriotic or well meaning, what if POTUS or whoever refused to cede power back to the normal rule of law after any such purge of the Democrat Marxists destroying our nation. But, that's a topic of discussion for a different thread.

"The Marxists have embedded themselves as deeply as possible in the very nucleus of our American Civilization and from within have been changing our culture, our moral values, our sense of what is normal and acceptable,"


your cultural and moral values?

like owning and beating black slaves?

like teaching girls to be good wives?

like preaching YOUR religion in schools while demonizing all others?

like teaching your kids to hate homosexuals?

your culture and your morals were bad and wrong.

Changing them was the right thing to do.