Mark Levin vs. George Will: Radio Talker Lashes Out At Columnist...

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    On his Thursday radio show, conservative talker Mark Levin, author of “Ameritopia: The Unmaking of America,” echoed a plea he made on his Facebook page earlier, attacking conservative syndicated columnist George Will for calling the Supreme Court’s Obamacare ruling “a substantial victory.” Levin called the article “the dumbest George Will article, certainly among them, that I have ever read”

    Perhaps it’s more of a long-term view of the situation, but Will saw an upside in the announcement of a 5-4 decision declaring President Barack Obama’s 2010 landmark health care legislation constitutional.

    In an article on the Post’s website, Will explained that conservatives got a victory with the decision, which he said has put the brakes on government expansion.

    “Conservatives won a substantial victory Thursday,” Will wrote. “The physics of American politics — actions provoking reactions — continues to move the crucial debate, about the nature of the American regime, toward conservatism. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. has served this cause. The health-care legislation’s expansion of the federal government’s purview has improved our civic health by rekindling interest in what this expansion threatens — the framers’ design for limited government.”

    Will’s reasoning relies on the portion of Roberts’ opinion that has put boundaries around what the Commerce Clause allows the government to do.

    You see folks,” Levin said, “conservatives are so used to losing — particularly conservatives inside the beltway that have been here for decades — then when we really, really lose, they claim that we’ve won. I don’t know if this is a psychological thing — I don’t know.”

    Will said that this decision would reinvigorate small government conservatives, a premise Levin scoffed at.

    “Well gee, they might as well start rounding us up because that will rekindle the effort that the framers started, too,” Levin declared. “This is so asinine that I’m stunned. This is as stunning to me as the John Roberts opinion”...

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    Levin couldn't hold up Will's jock strap. He's the worst kind of idealogue - the one that makes his party look bad. There's some good ideas in Conservatism, but once somebody starts throwing around the term 'leftist' it generally indicates all critical thinking abilities have fled the building. It's the same blind ideology that derides Republicans as fascists.
     
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    The ruling does help the Republicans, because it allows them to run against ACA, instead of putting forth their own alternative. IMO, that shows Obama's and Romney's cowardice.
     
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    Levin is right...Roberts' remarks on the commerce and good-n-plenty clauses don't have the force of law and set no legal precedent whatsoever....They were pure, 100% padding.

    He's also correct in that those are about the dumbest remarks ever to come from any so-called "conservative" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore) commentator whose name isn't David Brooks.
     
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    Yeah, George Will really has become a bit of a RINO wuss. He's vastly outnumbered in the Liberal Press he serves in, and it's clear that has effected his judgement & conviction. He's been the token "Conservative' at ABC for too long. He's become a lost soul. That happens with the tokens quite often. David Brooks is another prime example of it. Levin has every right to be disgusted.
     
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    This indicates Will’s tendency to not be an ideologue, and his observation is fundamentally correct. The limit is relatively narrow, however, and although it may curb government expansion with regard to certain specific issues, it in no way effects the current body of Commerce Clause case law.

    As for “the framers’ design for limited government,” here conservatives have a lot of work to do, as what they say and what they do is considerably inconsistent. For example, what government is to be ‘limited’? The right bemoans the ‘tyranny’ of the Federal government yet advocates state and local governments violating citizens’ civil rights. We see the same hypocrisy with regard to privacy rights, due process for all persons in the United States, and equal protection issues such as same-sex couples’ access to marriage law.

    If government is to be limited, it needs to be comprehensively limited, both Federal and state, where all are subject to the Constitution, which means allowing citizens to engage in activities conservatives may disapprove of.
     
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    Stockholm Syndrome. That sums up George Will at this point. He's been the token "Conservative" at ABC for far too long. He now sympathizes with his Liberal Media captors. He should escape ABC as soon as possible.
     
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    1. In a narrow sense there was a victory, not so much for Republicans but for the intent of the Consitution and limiting government interference into the lives of it's citizens. Roberts and the majority said the Commerce Clause has to be respected and cannot command a citizen to buy a product or service, especially nationally.

    2. The good side on the Republicans turf is that it energized it's base and brought out more active supporters than ever before, while liberals were complacent with the victory at hand.

    3. Since the "penalty" was ruled unconstitutional, it became a "tax." This means it can be repealed without the 60 vote majority, needed a simple majority of 51 from the Senate. Filibusters are out of the picture now which is an even better result of this ruling.

    George Will has to accept the medicine that the Health Care Act is still with us and he cannpt spin it away. He might find that the medicine he takes now might prove to heal the patient down the road. Be up front without the spin. The original mandate was upheld, point goes to Obama, game not over.
     
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    I remember when I used to believe that Republicans were going to roll back the Progressive agenda.

    LOL

    It's like Santa Clause or the Tooth Fairy
     
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    Unfortunately, Big Government Globalists control both Political Parties. They play for the same team in the end.
     

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