Mandate moved back, LOL

[Meister]

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Apples to apples with infant mortality....we rank second in the world behind Canada with infant mortality.

No, we don't.

Report: US Infant Mortality Rate Twice That of Other Wealthy Nations - Parenting.com

“I hear statistics like that and I think, aren’t we supposed to be better?” asks pediatrician Gwenn O’Keeffe, M.D., author, health journalist, and CEO of Pediatrics Now. “Why don’t we have universal coverage? Why don’t we have that low death rate? We’re going backward.”

The US has been known to have a low birth rate and higher infant mortality rate for some time, says Ana Diez Roux, a professor of epidemiology at the University of Michigan School of Public Health.

“There are obviously multiple sets of factors working together,” she says. “This is so systemic and pervasive and we didn’t think the public is really aware of the magnitude of this problem.”

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Longevity has more to do with our culture. I gave auto accidents as an "example"....seems I will have to be more specific....such as gun deaths especially in the "hoods" across America. Obesity, smoking and heart disease (our culture).

So you are coming out for gun control? Didn't think so.

Wow, this isn't really complicated. When you can't see a doctor on a regular basis, you are more likely to have compounded health issues.

Oh, again from your link:

Americans of all ages fared worse than the 16 other rich countries – Canada, Japan, Australia and 13 European countries – in a number of other areas: injury and homicide rates, teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted disesases, HIV infection and AIDS, drug abuse, and heart and lung disease. Two-thirds of Americans are considered overweight or obese.

“This can’t be traced to the health care system,” says Diez Roux. “It’s much more than the health care system.”
Report: US Infant Mortality Rate Twice That of Other Wealthy Nations - Parenting.com

Like I said....it's our culture.

 

[JoeB131]

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Other countries don't count premature deaths nor do they count birth defects (we do) which by your article is the leading cause. You've shown nothing with your attempt, Joe.
I stand by my apples to apples remark.

You can stand by it, but the problem is, no agency that counts such things supports it, not even our own CIA, which rates our infant mortality rate above that of other countries.

 

[JoeB131]

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Oh, again from your link:

Americans of all ages fared worse than the 16 other rich countries – Canada, Japan, Australia and 13 European countries – in a number of other areas: injury and homicide rates, teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted disesases, HIV infection and AIDS, drug abuse, and heart and lung disease. Two-thirds of Americans are considered overweight or obese.

“This can’t be traced to the health care system,” says Diez Roux. “It’s much more than the health care system.”
Report: US Infant Mortality Rate Twice That of Other Wealthy Nations - Parenting.com

Like I said....it's our culture.

Yeah, a culture that considers health care a consumer commodity rather than a public service.

Has it occurred to you the reason why all those other bad things are happening is because we aren't getting people in for regular checkups?

 

[JoeB131]

What are the tax rates of those countries? Yeah, I thought so.

Yeah, it probably sucks to be rich in those countries.

Hey, here's the thing. I don't give a fuck about the rich. Anything bad happening to a rich person is a cause for celebration.

Ain't you jis all tough and shit?

NOt matter of tough, guy.

It's a matter of "We shouldn't accept dead children because a few rich assholes want to ride dressage horsies".

At least in a just society.

 

[Antares]

Yeah, it probably sucks to be rich in those countries.

Hey, here's the thing. I don't give a fuck about the rich. Anything bad happening to a rich person is a cause for celebration.

Ain't you jis all tough and shit?

NOt matter of tough, guy.

It's a matter of "We shouldn't accept dead children because a few rich assholes want to ride dressage horsies".

At least in a just society.

Joe Quixote...tilting at the rich windmills responsible for imaginary evils.....

 

[Meister]

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Oh, again from your link:

Americans of all ages fared worse than the 16 other rich countries – Canada, Japan, Australia and 13 European countries – in a number of other areas: injury and homicide rates, teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted disesases, HIV infection and AIDS, drug abuse, and heart and lung disease. Two-thirds of Americans are considered overweight or obese.

“This can’t be traced to the health care system,” says Diez Roux. “It’s much more than the health care system.”
Report: US Infant Mortality Rate Twice That of Other Wealthy Nations - Parenting.com

Like I said....it's our culture.

Yeah, a culture that considers health care a consumer commodity rather than a public service.

Has it occurred to you the reason why all those other bad things are happening is because we aren't getting people in for regular checkups?

Has it occurred to you that it isn't healthcare insurance????????? Most people have regular checkups and still the problems exist. All the numbers aren't stemming from what you think is lack of insurance. It's OUR CULTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Meister]

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Other countries don't count premature deaths nor do they count birth defects (we do) which by your article is the leading cause. You've shown nothing with your attempt, Joe.
I stand by my apples to apples remark.

You can stand by it, but the problem is, no agency that counts such things supports it, not even our own CIA, which rates our infant mortality rate above that of other countries.

Infant Mortality: A Deceptive Statistic | National Review Online
The REAL infant mortality rates and H.R. 3200 | Birth a Miracle Services

Like I said, apples to apples

 

[JoeB131]

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Has it occurred to you that it isn't healthcare insurance????????? Most people have regular checkups and still the problems exist. All the numbers aren't stemming from what you think is lack of insurance. It's OUR CULTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nope, hasn't occurred to me at all.

If you aren't seeing a doctor regularly, you wouldn't have the nagging. My doctor nagged me about my weight until I did something about it.

But keep telling yourself that those poor people don't deserve to see doctors.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I wonder how long Billy will step up and defend this "cluster f"....

Billy?.....aint that David Spade?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

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Well, actually it doesn't.
Really kind of simple.

We have the best healthcare in the world, bar none.
Different countries count live births differently than we do.
Longevity deals with issues far beyond healthcare, such as auto accidents, etc.

Now get back and get some sound talking points from whatever echo chamber you creep around.

Lowest life expectency in the INdustrialized World.
Highest infant mortality in the industrialized world
46 million uninsured and 25 million underinsured.
62% of bankruptcies due to medical crisis.
Highest spend per capita and per GDP % on health care.

So, no, the talking points about 'they count infant mortality differently" and "We have more auto accidents (we don't, by the way. Italy does.)

Lowest life expectency in the INdustrialized World.
has more to do with the Individual Joe than Health Care.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

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Apples to apples with infant mortality....we rank second in the world behind Canada with infant mortality.

No, we don't.

Report: US Infant Mortality Rate Twice That of Other Wealthy Nations - Parenting.com

“I hear statistics like that and I think, aren’t we supposed to be better?” asks pediatrician Gwenn O’Keeffe, M.D., author, health journalist, and CEO of Pediatrics Now. “Why don’t we have universal coverage? Why don’t we have that low death rate? We’re going backward.”

The US has been known to have a low birth rate and higher infant mortality rate for some time, says Ana Diez Roux, a professor of epidemiology at the University of Michigan School of Public Health.

“There are obviously multiple sets of factors working together,” she says. “This is so systemic and pervasive and we didn’t think the public is really aware of the magnitude of this problem.”

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Longevity has more to do with our culture. I gave auto accidents as an "example"....seems I will have to be more specific....such as gun deaths especially in the "hoods" across America. Obesity, smoking and heart disease (our culture).

So you are coming out for gun control? Didn't think so.

Wow, this isn't really complicated. When you can't see a doctor on a regular basis, you are more likely to have compounded health issues.

and how many people have Ins. and do not see a Doctor until its either too late or really serious?....how many men over 50 have you heard say they WILL NOT go for a prostate exam or a Colonoscopy because....."no one is going to stick anything up my ass"......i worked with a guy who called me and another guy "faggots" for having it done...."no one is sticking anything in my ass....i will die first".....and he has ins.......and pisses a lot....

 

[asterism]

Joe wants sympathy but he is a total asshole, he gets everything he deserves.

No, douchebag.

What I want is the system your industry fucked up to get fixed.

I don't want my health care ever held hostage by an employer ever again.

Single Payer. What we should have done from the get-go.

You don't want your healthcare held hostage by an employer, but you're happy to have it held hostage by government.

 

[william the wie]

I have had a colonscopy (infectious colitis the first time) and as long as I'm under I don't care. but when it comes to prostate exams and mammograms efficacy has not been demonstrated. like with angioplasty and bypass surgery I attribute the persistence of such exams to the desire to do "something" for the patient even if it is stupid. ACA is chock full of such dubious procedures that will answer some questions in blood.

 

[Andylusion]

Give me ONE example of a nation that has a free market heath care system that ISN'T among the highest cost per capita?

What are the tax rates of those countries? Yeah, I thought so.

Yeah, it probably sucks to be rich in those countries.

Hey, here's the thing. I don't give a fuck about the rich. Anything bad happening to a rich person is a cause for celebration.

Dude.... *YOU* are the rich. Compared to the rest of the world, *YOU* are the rich.

 

[Andylusion]

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Apples to apples with infant mortality....we rank second in the world behind Canada with infant mortality.

No, we don't.

Report: US Infant Mortality Rate Twice That of Other Wealthy Nations - Parenting.com

“I hear statistics like that and I think, aren’t we supposed to be better?” asks pediatrician Gwenn O’Keeffe, M.D., author, health journalist, and CEO of Pediatrics Now. “Why don’t we have universal coverage? Why don’t we have that low death rate? We’re going backward.”

The US has been known to have a low birth rate and higher infant mortality rate for some time, says Ana Diez Roux, a professor of epidemiology at the University of Michigan School of Public Health.

“There are obviously multiple sets of factors working together,” she says. “This is so systemic and pervasive and we didn’t think the public is really aware of the magnitude of this problem.”

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Longevity has more to do with our culture. I gave auto accidents as an "example"....seems I will have to be more specific....such as gun deaths especially in the "hoods" across America. Obesity, smoking and heart disease (our culture).

So you are coming out for gun control? Didn't think so.

Wow, this isn't really complicated. When you can't see a doctor on a regular basis, you are more likely to have compounded health issues.

Oh, again from your link:

Americans of all ages fared worse than the 16 other rich countries – Canada, Japan, Australia and 13 European countries – in a number of other areas: injury and homicide rates, teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted disesases, HIV infection and AIDS, drug abuse, and heart and lung disease. Two-thirds of Americans are considered overweight or obese.

“This can’t be traced to the health care system,” says Diez Roux. “It’s much more than the health care system.”
Report: US Infant Mortality Rate Twice That of Other Wealthy Nations - Parenting.com

Like I said....it's our culture.

Isn't that so typical? The leftards don't even read their own links, to find out it contradicts their presumptions.

 

[Meister]

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Has it occurred to you that it isn't healthcare insurance????????? Most people have regular checkups and still the problems exist. All the numbers aren't stemming from what you think is lack of insurance. It's OUR CULTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nope, hasn't occurred to me at all.

If you aren't seeing a doctor regularly, you wouldn't have the nagging. My doctor nagged me about my weight until I did something about it.

But keep telling yourself that those poor people don't deserve to see doctors.

It went rightover your head what I was saying.

 

[Harry Dresden]

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Has it occurred to you that it isn't healthcare insurance????????? Most people have regular checkups and still the problems exist. All the numbers aren't stemming from what you think is lack of insurance. It's OUR CULTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nope, hasn't occurred to me at all.

If you aren't seeing a doctor regularly, you wouldn't have the nagging. My doctor nagged me about my weight until I did something about it.

But keep telling yourself that those poor people don't deserve to see doctors.

how many people dont do what their Doctor tells them to Joe?....how many DONT lose the weight?.....how many DONT quit smoking?.....how many still eat shit instead of changing their diet?.....how many dont exercise?.....how many people either DONT do what their Doctor recommends or they do it half assed?......America has many people who have Ins. but either dont see the Doctor or do when its to late or dont listen to what he tells them........is that because of their health care?...or because of the person?...

 

[JoeB131]

Joe wants sympathy but he is a total asshole, he gets everything he deserves.

No, douchebag.

What I want is the system your industry fucked up to get fixed.

I don't want my health care ever held hostage by an employer ever again.

Single Payer. What we should have done from the get-go.

You don't want your healthcare held hostage by an employer, but you're happy to have it held hostage by government.

Major difference.

I can vote teh government out if it isn't doing its job.

 

[JoeB131]

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Has it occurred to you that it isn't healthcare insurance????????? Most people have regular checkups and still the problems exist. All the numbers aren't stemming from what you think is lack of insurance. It's OUR CULTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nope, hasn't occurred to me at all.

If you aren't seeing a doctor regularly, you wouldn't have the nagging. My doctor nagged me about my weight until I did something about it.

But keep telling yourself that those poor people don't deserve to see doctors.

It went rightover your head what I was saying.

NO, I just get really tired of you conservatives blaming average working Americans for the Screwover your Corporate Masters inflict on us every day.

 

[Andylusion]

Nope, hasn't occurred to me at all.

If you aren't seeing a doctor regularly, you wouldn't have the nagging. My doctor nagged me about my weight until I did something about it.

But keep telling yourself that those poor people don't deserve to see doctors.

It went rightover your head what I was saying.

NO, I just get really tired of you conservatives blaming average working Americans for the Screwover your Corporate Masters inflict on us every day.

No, I just get really tired of you leftards blaming the people who provide jobs and wealth in our country, for the screwover you and your socialist masters inflict on us every day.

Hey stupid, I am the average working American. You don't get to speak for me. And I have yet to be screwed over by a corporation, but I get screwed over by *YOU* and the dumbass idiots you support every day.

Right now I have a $3,000 tax bill, and I made only $18,000 last year. Who is screwing me over, the corporations that gave me a job, and a wage, or the mindless dumb as hell leftards like you? Answer, you. You screw over the average working Americans more than the corporations ever will, or ever have.

You people have the highest standard of living on the planet, and all you can do is complain. Envious greedy, mindless idiots, all of you.