Make The School Great Again!

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    I have proven you wrong, twice? Thrice?


    "Information dump copied and pasted"

    This is what has happened to education...you being the exemplar of same......when I provide proof in the form of links, quotes and documentation, you've been trained to ignore same simply by using the phrase "Information dump copied and pasted."

    What a moron you must be not to recognize that those items verify the content of my posts.

    You may learn better if you ever go to college.
     
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    I think you say that to make you feel better about the choice you made. You shouldn't have to do that. You made the choice, good for you. If it works for you and your kids, great. You don't have to attack every teacher you meet by calling them a "dunce" or whatever--what kind of example does that set for your kids, honest to goodness?
     
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    Those first two words in your post......fact not in evidence.


    "You don't have to attack every teacher you meet by calling them a "dunce"
    I don't....I use the term judiciously, for those, like you, who deny the facts.

    How about you simply admit
    a. teacher's unions are joined at the hip to Democrats/Liberals
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    b. vast amounts of indoctrination for Leftism takes place in government school


    ....then we can more on.
     
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    One thing to keep in mind about schools (and non-schools, in the case of home-schooled students) is that what comes out of them is strongly correlated to what goes into them.

    If you took the incoming Freshman (Freshperson?) class at Harvard and had them work on a farm in Massachusetts for four years (no formal classes at all), they would still be "better educated" at the end of four years than their contemporaries at State College. Why? Because the selection process at Harvard ensures that you START WITH a superior group of students...which ensures that you will FINISH WITH a superior group of students, regardless. They will not be spending that four years playing video games, or hanging out at the local pool hall.

    The statistical success of "home schooling" is largely a function of the fact that the students are children of parents who care and are engaged in the education process. They are not a random sampling of student-age children, as the students in Government Schools are.


    The same is true of private school children, charter school children (generally), and parochial school children. Not a random sampling.
     
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    Sooo....your point it that parents who use government schools don't care about their kids???

    We've used K12 for years.....it's free in many states.



    To see the fear of homeschooling by the Left.....

    "Eric Holder: Banning Homeschooling Doesn’t Violate Fundamental Rights"
    Eric Holder: Banning Homeschooling Doesn’t Violate Fundamental Rights | Caffeinated Thoughts
     
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    I still wonder when schools were great before., Must have been in the same period Trump says America was great before? I say the Middle Ages was the period both Chic and Trump have in mind for restoring both America and education to greatness. . If only they would tell us when that greatness period existed.
     
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    I know public school teachers that are anything but liberals. My problem with homeschooling is the lack of social interaction and challenges. School dances,

    dealing with bullies, field trips, team sports, etc....I have no doubt kids can learn the academics before from a good homeschooler. I know this one woman,

    have quite a few kids, she homeschools, and all the kids are very smart and all can play an instrument well. However, they're starved for social

    interaction.


    Home is a protected environment, public school is not. You'll never have 8 mini-black kids jump you out back of the gymnasium at home, at least I hope not.

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    A big friend of mine that was on the football team saw what was going on and came and helped me out. I was going down!
     
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    To be fair most homeschooling families belong to many consortiums or other groups where the kids get plenty of social interaction. They also usually belong to youth sports groups, music groups, etc. In the early 90s when I first began teaching homeschoolers were much more isolated. I don't see that being so much a problem now.

    With the advent of all these "online schools", the quality of homeschooling is going to go down. Homeschooling has always been a place for highly involved and motivated parents to educate their children, and that's PART of the reason they do so well. You needed to be motivated because you were your child's teacher--finding and building curriculum, delivering instruction. Now, with online schools, you don't need to do that. If you have a child say, 12 and older, you can leave your child alone all day long with an "online school". That is going to bring the quality and the stats down too.

    Homeschoolers had better look out for that. But I don't care one way or the other if they do. See PoliticalChic's polemics and her calling me a "dunce" over and over on this thread because--well, I don't know why, presumably because I'm a public school teacher.

    Oh, here's another aspect of homeschooling too: more and more parents are using "homeschooling" to hide abuse from school officials. See: the lesbian couple with all those children in CA who drove them off the cliff to their death. It's not a huge proportion, of course, but it's growing. The homeschoolers are handling this like they handle everything: by screeching about how wonderful homeschooling is to anyone who will listen. And even people who won't.
     
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    "I know public school teachers that are anything but liberals."

    I have as well....it's the union leadership that is way Liberal.



    "My problem with homeschooling is the lack of social interaction and challenges. School dances,"

    That's a myth.



    "Do Homeschoolers Have Equal Access to Public School Sports?
    Currently, 22 states give homeschoolers the right to some type of access to classes or sports. These include Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Washington, and Wyoming. Read more information about state laws on HSLDA’s legal summaries pages.1

    In states that do not have a specific statute or regulation mandating equal access, individual schools and school districts have the authority to determine whether homeschoolers can participate in public school activities. Policies often vary from district to district. In some cases, districts that would like to allow access are restricted from doing so by the high school athletic association's bylaws."
    HSLDA | State & Local--Sports and Public School Classes
     
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    "Homeschoolers had better look out for that. But I don't care one way or the other if they do. See PoliticalChic's polemics and her calling me a "dunce" over and over on this thread because--well, I don't know why, presumably because I'm a public school teacher."

    Au contraire.

    Several of my friends are public school teachers, and far from dunces.

    You are, because you refuse to accept these truths:
    a. teacher's unions are joined at the hip to Democrats/Liberals
    and
    b. vast amounts of indoctrination for Leftism takes place in government school
     

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