Lucy: Why should I get off welfare?

[bigrebnc1775]

The founders wanted senators to be elected at the state level for a reason, we now see why that reason was.
The blotted welfare state we have now.
They also feared a democracy

So you want the gov't to decide who represents you?? LMAO!!

The Founders wanted separation of powers. Concentrated power is inimical to freedom.

The House represents the people.

The Senate represents the states.

.

Someone else who sees it like it was meant to be.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I do not think you believe that.

I am pretty sure that I do. I understand that there are plenty of people who draw welfare. I also understand that there is a very small percentage that abuse the system. But the number of lies that have been told to exaggerate the problem (like Reagan's Welfare Queen) is insane.

Debunking the Top 6 Welfare Myths - National Social Issues | Examiner.com
"For starters, the vast majority of people collecting any kind of temporary assistance, including reemployment assistance, receive benefits for less than two years. While two years is far from ideal, it hardly supports the picture of third- and fourth-generation welfare recipients refusing to work and living the high life off of a few hundred dollars each month. The troubling truth of the matter is that the vast majority of people receiving Medicaid, SNAP, and other kinds of financial assistance already have a job."

What The Right Doesn't Want You To Know About Welfare: 9 Myths Exploded -
"According to statisticbrain.com, the vast majority of TANF recipients, 80.4 percent, receive benefits for five years or less."

Welfare Statistics | Statistic Brain

Poverty In America: Myths About Welfare Recipients « CBS Charlotte

So it's a lie that 50million are on welfare?

Didn't you know everything that was once fact is a myth unless it makes obama look good. At least until obama leaves office. Everybody has their own unicorn to ride now. Everything is wonderful. Get with the program or they will come and have you reprogrammed.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Too bad littlereb cannot provide anything credible to substantiate that absurdly false allegation.

Son, you made the claim that Jefferson and Mason would support Fascistcare.

You lost any standing to speak on "credible."

I'm just sayin.

Jefferson supported the raising of taxes to support General Welfare. Taxes are raised for Medicare just as they are for the ACA.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Jefferson supported the raising of taxes to support General Welfare.

ROFL

Dude, you should have stuck it out through third grade.

I mean it.

{"The construction applied... to those parts of the Constitution of the United States which delegate to Congress a power "to lay and collect taxes, duties, imports, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States," and "to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the powers vested by the Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof," goes to the destruction of all limits prescribed to [the General Government's] power by the Constitution... Words meant by the instrument to be subsidiary only to the execution of limited powers ought not to be construed as themselves to give unlimited powers, nor a part to be so taken as to destroy the whole residue of that instrument." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Kentucky Resolutions, 1798. ME 17:385 }

Taxes are raised for Medicare just as they are for the ACA.

Fascistcare is in direct contrast to everything this nation was founded on - particularly in regard to Jefferson - who you haven't a hint of a clue about.

You thought you could throw some bullshit out, or maybe you got that off of the hate site, either way, you're an idiot.

{"Aided by a little sophistry on the words "general welfare," [the federal branch claim] a right to do not only the acts to effect that which are specifically enumerated and permitted, but whatsoever they shall think or pretend will be for the general welfare." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1825. ME 16:147 }

I doubt you are so stupid that you actually think "general welfare" has anything to do with transfer payments and redistribution of wealth. But maybe you are, you are a democrat..

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Jefferson supported the raising of taxes to support General Welfare.

ROFL

Dude, you should have stuck it out through third grade.

I mean it.

{"The construction applied... to those parts of the Constitution of the United States which delegate to Congress a power "to lay and collect taxes, duties, imports, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States," and "to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the powers vested by the Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof," goes to the destruction of all limits prescribed to [the General Government's] power by the Constitution... Words meant by the instrument to be subsidiary only to the execution of limited powers ought not to be construed as themselves to give unlimited powers, nor a part to be so taken as to destroy the whole residue of that instrument." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Kentucky Resolutions, 1798. ME 17:385 }

Taxes are raised for Medicare just as they are for the ACA.

Fascistcare is in direct contrast to everything this nation was founded on - particularly in regard to Jefferson - who you haven't a hint of a clue about.

You thought you could throw some bullshit out, or maybe you got that off of the hate site, either way, you're an idiot.

{"Aided by a little sophistry on the words "general welfare," [the federal branch claim] a right to do not only the acts to effect that which are specifically enumerated and permitted, but whatsoever they shall think or pretend will be for the general welfare." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1825. ME 16:147 }

I doubt you are so stupid that you actually think "general welfare" has anything to do with transfer payments and redistribution of wealth. But maybe you are, you are a democrat..

Damn I was going to bring out the heavy artillery later on, I have been toying with them but you come in for the kill.

 

[bodecea]

Too bad littlereb cannot provide anything credible to substantiate that absurdly false allegation.

Son, you made the claim that Jefferson and Mason would support Fascistcare.

You lost any standing to speak on "credible."

I'm just sayin.

Jefferson supported the raising of taxes to support General Welfare. Taxes are raised for Medicare just as they are for the ACA.

Jefferson supported disbanding the Army and Navy too.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Jefferson supported disbanding the Army and Navy too.

Not true.

Jefferson (rightly) opposed a peacetime standing army. If there is a peacetime standing army, then morons like Dubya are tempted to use them.

But Jefferson kept a Navy and well trained cadre of Marines to protect the nation, and to punish the Muslims when they launched terror attacks - which they did even then.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Jefferson supported the raising of taxes to support General Welfare.

ROFL

Dude, you should have stuck it out through third grade.

I mean it.

{"The construction applied... to those parts of the Constitution of the United States which delegate to Congress a power "to lay and collect taxes, duties, imports, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States," and "to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the powers vested by the Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof," goes to the destruction of all limits prescribed to [the General Government's] power by the Constitution... Words meant by the instrument to be subsidiary only to the execution of limited powers ought not to be construed as themselves to give unlimited powers, nor a part to be so taken as to destroy the whole residue of that instrument." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Kentucky Resolutions, 1798. ME 17:385 }

Taxes are raised for Medicare just as they are for the ACA.

Fascistcare is in direct contrast to everything this nation was founded on - particularly in regard to Jefferson - who you haven't a hint of a clue about.

You thought you could throw some bullshit out, or maybe you got that off of the hate site, either way, you're an idiot.

{"Aided by a little sophistry on the words "general welfare," [the federal branch claim] a right to do not only the acts to effect that which are specifically enumerated and permitted, but whatsoever they shall think or pretend will be for the general welfare." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1825. ME 16:147 }

I doubt you are so stupid that you actually think "general welfare" has anything to do with transfer payments and redistribution of wealth. But maybe you are, you are a democrat..

Cherry picking again?

The pretense that you and sailor boy have the only valid interpretation of the Constitution and the Founding Fathers is what got the extreme right into the hole that it is in right now. Sticking with your delusions isn't going to get you out of it either.

There is also no point in wasting time exchanging Jefferson quotations either because, like sailor boy, you have a selective comprehension disorder. You ignore reality and only embrace whatever fits into your distorted little bubble.

The Founding Fathers were liberals who were open minded and willing to start this "great experiment" in We the People governing ourselves. They were also realists and knew that future generations would face challenges that they could not foresee. Therefore they provided a means to change the Constitution to adapt to future needs. They understood that rigidity and inflexibility were the harbingers of decay and that change must be embraced and adapted to in order to survive.

 

[GHook93]

Why get off all that? For one thing, a whopping $14,400 a year is pretty pitiful money to live on.

I agree. That is $276 a month and $6.92 a hour per 40 hours. Hard to live off of.

What does a bag of week cost now-a-days? In my day 1/8 o f swag cost $20 (which I assume welfare receiptants are smoking) and a OZ would cost $100. An 1/8 went quick and a OZ could be smoked easily in a week by a pothead. Therefore this person literally is living off of $176 a week! How would they pay for the amount of food they need to consume or anything else.

Why get off of welfare? There are millions of reason and one seems like a minimum wage job pays more!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Jefferson supported the raising of taxes to support General Welfare.

ROFL

Dude, you should have stuck it out through third grade.

I mean it.

{"The construction applied... to those parts of the Constitution of the United States which delegate to Congress a power "to lay and collect taxes, duties, imports, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States," and "to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the powers vested by the Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof," goes to the destruction of all limits prescribed to [the General Government's] power by the Constitution... Words meant by the instrument to be subsidiary only to the execution of limited powers ought not to be construed as themselves to give unlimited powers, nor a part to be so taken as to destroy the whole residue of that instrument." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Kentucky Resolutions, 1798. ME 17:385 }

Taxes are raised for Medicare just as they are for the ACA.

Fascistcare is in direct contrast to everything this nation was founded on - particularly in regard to Jefferson - who you haven't a hint of a clue about.

You thought you could throw some bullshit out, or maybe you got that off of the hate site, either way, you're an idiot.

{"Aided by a little sophistry on the words "general welfare," [the federal branch claim] a right to do not only the acts to effect that which are specifically enumerated and permitted, but whatsoever they shall think or pretend will be for the general welfare." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1825. ME 16:147 }

I doubt you are so stupid that you actually think "general welfare" has anything to do with transfer payments and redistribution of wealth. But maybe you are, you are a democrat..

Cherry picking again?

The pretense that you and sailor boy have the only valid interpretation of the Constitution and the Founding Fathers is what got the extreme right into the hole that it is in right now. Sticking with your delusions isn't going to get you out of it either.

There is also no point in wasting time exchanging Jefferson quotations either because, like sailor boy, you have a selective comprehension disorder. You ignore reality and only embrace whatever fits into your distorted little bubble.

The Founding Fathers were liberals who were open minded and willing to start this "great experiment" in We the People governing ourselves. They were also realists and knew that future generations would face challenges that they could not foresee. Therefore they provided a means to change the Constitution to adapt to future needs. They understood that rigidity and inflexibility were the harbingers of decay and that change must be embraced and adapted to in order to survive.

Thing about that cherry picking claim can go both ways.
The founding fathers were classic liberals, not to be confused with the modern day liberal. There is not one modern day liberal policy that the Founders of this country would support. I wished you modern day turds would get this through your bone mass full with gray garbage.
They would not support the 16th amendment
they would not support the 17th amendment
They would not support obamacare
They would not support the patriot act nor the NSA indefinite detention nor any of the federal social programs
Nor any gun control laws
They would not support any of the legislation that has become law in the pass 100 plus years.

 

[Luissa]

Once again thank you traitor.

Traitor? Traitor to what you fucking lunatic?





Sent from my iPhone using no lube, maximizing the butt hurt in right wingers

Didn't I spell that correctly? Traitor? Yes I did Traitor

Traitor to what, loser?


Sent from my iPhone using no lube, maximizing the butt hurt in right wingers

 

[Luissa]

Asshole, I'm a vet. Now what?







A true patriot does not stand with a corrupt government, a true patriot resist the type of government we have now.



A true patriot does not walk in lock step. Which is you do all of that.



Supporting government failed policy is not being patriotic.

You are a disgrace to other vets.

And remember what you said about me when one day someone has to take care of you.

Have some respect for your fellow Vets, and stop being such a disgrace.





Sent from my iPhone using no lube, maximizing the butt hurt in right wingers

I despise liberal traitors like you.

Good. But we will still take care of you when you can't take care of yourself.


Sent from my iPhone using no lube, maximizing the butt hurt in right wingers

 

[WinterBorn]

wrong as usual representation would mean obamacare/tax would not have passed,

I'm not really one for belittling others, but you are quite stupid. In the context of being represented, we are basically talking about having a vote. The founding fathers had NO vote in how their tax dollars were being spent by the British government. Which at the time was pretty standard, the King levied taxes and the King decided how to spend those taxes. The colonials didn't like that system and thus formed a Republic where every man got a vote, which is NOT to say that every man got his way on every issue.

Did you have the opportunity to vote? Then you were represented.

OH what we have here folks is a sheeple that thinks since he is allowed to vote he has representation,

Do you have access to your representatives? If so do they do what you want or what the one with the most money wants?
do yourself a favor walk away and continue living in that false sense that you have a say in what laws are passed in this country. Don't get me wrong I once believed as you I was just as stupid as you are.

I have access to my senator. I have contacted him several times over the years on various issues. He does not always do as I want, but he is far more responsive to the constituents than he would be if he were appointed by a state rep.

You seem to think that they are always supposed to do what YOU want, and not follow what the majority of the people want (within certain limits).

 

[WinterBorn]

Jefferson supported the raising of taxes to support General Welfare.

ROFL

Dude, you should have stuck it out through third grade.

I mean it.

{"The construction applied... to those parts of the Constitution of the United States which delegate to Congress a power "to lay and collect taxes, duties, imports, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States," and "to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the powers vested by the Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof," goes to the destruction of all limits prescribed to [the General Government's] power by the Constitution... Words meant by the instrument to be subsidiary only to the execution of limited powers ought not to be construed as themselves to give unlimited powers, nor a part to be so taken as to destroy the whole residue of that instrument." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Kentucky Resolutions, 1798. ME 17:385 }

Taxes are raised for Medicare just as they are for the ACA.

Fascistcare is in direct contrast to everything this nation was founded on - particularly in regard to Jefferson - who you haven't a hint of a clue about.

You thought you could throw some bullshit out, or maybe you got that off of the hate site, either way, you're an idiot.

{"Aided by a little sophistry on the words "general welfare," [the federal branch claim] a right to do not only the acts to effect that which are specifically enumerated and permitted, but whatsoever they shall think or pretend will be for the general welfare." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1825. ME 16:147 }

I doubt you are so stupid that you actually think "general welfare" has anything to do with transfer payments and redistribution of wealth. But maybe you are, you are a democrat..

Damn I was going to bring out the heavy artillery later on, I have been toying with them but you come in for the kill.

LMAO!! Your idea of heavy artillery is to try and derail the thread onto some other topic. (or to use proper grammar)

 

[Uncensored2008]

Cherry picking again?

The pretense that you and sailor boy have the only valid interpretation of the Constitution and the Founding Fathers is what got the extreme right into the hole that it is in right now. Sticking with your delusions isn't going to get you out of it either.

There is no "interpretation" involved. You made an extremely stupid claim about a very well known figure.

If you came in here talking about Jesus running a whore house, it would be less outrageously stupid.

Jefferson was a champion of property rights, a staunch advocate of limits to government power and particularly taxation. To claim that he would support Federal usurpation of 1/6th of the economy is as stupid as claiming Jesus was a pimp.

It's not a matter of "you're wrong," it's a matter of "you're fucking stupid and should be mocked."

There is also no point in wasting time exchanging Jefferson quotations either because, like sailor boy, you have a selective comprehension disorder. You ignore reality and only embrace whatever fits into your distorted little bubble.

The Founding Fathers were liberals who were open minded and willing to start this "great experiment" in We the People governing ourselves. They were also realists and knew that future generations would face challenges that they could not foresee. Therefore they provided a means to change the Constitution to adapt to future needs. They understood that rigidity and inflexibility were the harbingers of decay and that change must be embraced and adapted to in order to survive.

Again, you're an ignorant fool who stupidly posted absurd bullshit in your partisan zeal, apparently believing that others here are as poorly educated and ignorant as you are.

 

[BillyZane]

wrong as usual representation would mean obamacare/tax would not have passed,

I'm not really one for belittling others, but you are quite stupid. In the context of being represented, we are basically talking about having a vote. The founding fathers had NO vote in how their tax dollars were being spent by the British government. Which at the time was pretty standard, the King levied taxes and the King decided how to spend those taxes. The colonials didn't like that system and thus formed a Republic where every man got a vote, which is NOT to say that every man got his way on every issue.

Did you have the opportunity to vote? Then you were represented.

OH what we have here folks is a sheeple that thinks since he is allowed to vote he has representation,

Do you have access to your representatives? If so do they do what you want or what the one with the most money wants?
do yourself a favor walk away and continue living in that false sense that you have a say in what laws are passed in this country. Don't get me wrong I once believed as you I was just as stupid as you are.

Are you seriously suggesting that every time a law is passed , those who oppose that law weren't represented ? You do realize that the founding fathers didn't agree on everything don't you? Do you suppose Jefferson screamed "I'm not being represented" every time he didn't get his way? LOL

 

[bigrebnc1775]

ROFL

Dude, you should have stuck it out through third grade.

I mean it.

{"The construction applied... to those parts of the Constitution of the United States which delegate to Congress a power "to lay and collect taxes, duties, imports, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States," and "to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the powers vested by the Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof," goes to the destruction of all limits prescribed to [the General Government's] power by the Constitution... Words meant by the instrument to be subsidiary only to the execution of limited powers ought not to be construed as themselves to give unlimited powers, nor a part to be so taken as to destroy the whole residue of that instrument." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Kentucky Resolutions, 1798. ME 17:385 }



Fascistcare is in direct contrast to everything this nation was founded on - particularly in regard to Jefferson - who you haven't a hint of a clue about.

You thought you could throw some bullshit out, or maybe you got that off of the hate site, either way, you're an idiot.

{"Aided by a little sophistry on the words "general welfare," [the federal branch claim] a right to do not only the acts to effect that which are specifically enumerated and permitted, but whatsoever they shall think or pretend will be for the general welfare." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1825. ME 16:147 }

I doubt you are so stupid that you actually think "general welfare" has anything to do with transfer payments and redistribution of wealth. But maybe you are, you are a democrat..

Damn I was going to bring out the heavy artillery later on, I have been toying with them but you come in for the kill.

LMAO!! Your idea of heavy artillery is to try and derail the thread onto some other topic. (or to use proper grammar)

True evidence when someone is butt hurt is when they go with the your grammar bull shit.

 

[Luissa]

ROFL



Dude, you should have stuck it out through third grade.



I mean it.



{"The construction applied... to those parts of the Constitution of the United States which delegate to Congress a power "to lay and collect taxes, duties, imports, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States," and "to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the powers vested by the Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof," goes to the destruction of all limits prescribed to [the General Government's] power by the Constitution... Words meant by the instrument to be subsidiary only to the execution of limited powers ought not to be construed as themselves to give unlimited powers, nor a part to be so taken as to destroy the whole residue of that instrument." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Kentucky Resolutions, 1798. ME 17:385 }







Fascistcare is in direct contrast to everything this nation was founded on - particularly in regard to Jefferson - who you haven't a hint of a clue about.



You thought you could throw some bullshit out, or maybe you got that off of the hate site, either way, you're an idiot.



{"Aided by a little sophistry on the words "general welfare," [the federal branch claim] a right to do not only the acts to effect that which are specifically enumerated and permitted, but whatsoever they shall think or pretend will be for the general welfare." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1825. ME 16:147 }



I doubt you are so stupid that you actually think "general welfare" has anything to do with transfer payments and redistribution of wealth. But maybe you are, you are a democrat..

Cherry picking again?



The pretense that you and sailor boy have the only valid interpretation of the Constitution and the Founding Fathers is what got the extreme right into the hole that it is in right now. Sticking with your delusions isn't going to get you out of it either.



There is also no point in wasting time exchanging Jefferson quotations either because, like sailor boy, you have a selective comprehension disorder. You ignore reality and only embrace whatever fits into your distorted little bubble.



The Founding Fathers were liberals who were open minded and willing to start this "great experiment" in We the People governing ourselves. They were also realists and knew that future generations would face challenges that they could not foresee. Therefore they provided a means to change the Constitution to adapt to future needs. They understood that rigidity and inflexibility were the harbingers of decay and that change must be embraced and adapted to in order to survive.

Thing about that cherry picking claim can go both ways.

The founding fathers were classic liberals, not to be confused with the modern day liberal. There is not one modern day liberal policy that the Founders of this country would support. I wished you modern day turds would get this through your bone mass full with gray garbage.

They would not support the 16th amendment

they would not support the 17th amendment

They would not support obamacare

They would not support the patriot act nor the NSA indefinite detention nor any of the federal social programs

Nor any gun control laws

They would not support any of the legislation that has become law in the pass 100 plus years.

You know nothing about the Founding Fathers. Read a book that wasn't meant for grade school kids.
And who do think started the basis of federal programs? Thomas Jefferson helped set up publics education, and a stronger federal government( Empire Building), Washington helped set up what would become the CIA.
https://www.cia.gov/kids-page/6-12th-grade/operation-history/history-of-american-intelligence.html

Also look up what Washington was called by some Native American tribes. Our founding fathers were intelligent and I respect them, but you need to stop treating them like they were God like.
Jefferson also tripled the size of the government and raised taxes, you don't think he wouldn't have supported the 16th amendment?
As for the 17th amendment, don't you claim to support the Tea Party? You don't want to vote for your senator but let your government choose your senator. Everything else you have said says otherwise.
You are a moron.


Sent from my iPhone using no lube, maximizing the butt hurt in right wingers

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I'm not really one for belittling others, but you are quite stupid. In the context of being represented, we are basically talking about having a vote. The founding fathers had NO vote in how their tax dollars were being spent by the British government. Which at the time was pretty standard, the King levied taxes and the King decided how to spend those taxes. The colonials didn't like that system and thus formed a Republic where every man got a vote, which is NOT to say that every man got his way on every issue.

Did you have the opportunity to vote? Then you were represented.

OH what we have here folks is a sheeple that thinks since he is allowed to vote he has representation,

Do you have access to your representatives? If so do they do what you want or what the one with the most money wants?
do yourself a favor walk away and continue living in that false sense that you have a say in what laws are passed in this country. Don't get me wrong I once believed as you I was just as stupid as you are.

Are you seriously suggesting that every time a law is passed , those who oppose that law weren't represented ? You do realize that the founding fathers didn't agree on everything don't you? Do you suppose Jefferson screamed "I'm not being represented" every time he didn't get his way? LOL

Are you for real? Not wanting to beat a dead horse or sheeple for that matter but open your eyes do some research. The laws we have now the founders would have resisted them. they would not have supported them. Any law that strips a person of their rights they would not have allowed them. Do keep up.
Let me repeat one more time
ANY LAW THAT TAKES AWAY YOUR RIGHTS WE AS AMERICAN CITIZENS ARE TO FIGHT THEM WITH EVERYTHING WE HAVE.

 

[namvet]

ah to late

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RLuH1_VpJE]Is it too late to vote for the other guy?!!! - YouTube[/ame]