Lost common sense: How America lived through the Asian flu of 1957

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Well put.


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The 1957 Asian flu, a form of H2N2 influenza that is believed to have originated in China, is estimated to have killed 116,000 Americans, the equivalent of roughly 200,000 in today’s larger America. Given that an estimated 25 percent of the entire country contracted that flu and a much larger share suffered from strong symptoms, one has to wonder what the recorded death toll would have been had we tested everyone and counted those deaths as liberally as we do today.


For even greater context, keep in mind that there were only about 4.9 million people over the age of 75 back then, as compared to 23 million today. So, while the general population was slightly more than half of what it is today, the over-75 population was approximately one-fifth of what it is today. The over-90 population was 1/12 of today’s advanced senior population. Accordingly, the death toll in 1957 was even more severe than with COVID-19 when one considers how many more seniors we have today. After all, the median age of death from COVID-19 is 78, roughly around life expectancy, with roughly half of all deaths occurring among sicker seniors in nursing homes.


Another more dangerous aspect of the Asian flu as compared to COVID-19 is that it seemed to be more dangerous to pregnant women and to cause birth defects, similar to what was observed during the Spanish flu. A study published in Minnesota in 1959 found that nearly 20% of deaths that occurred during pregnancy were due to the 1957-58 epidemic, making it the leading cause of death for pregnant women during those months. One-half of all women of child-bearing age who died during the epidemic were pregnant. Imagine the panic that would have induced today!


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Also, rather than panicking everyone and counting every last case in the country, they “recommended that ‘hospital admissions be limited as far as possible to those cases of influenza with complications, or to those with other diseases which might be aggravated by influenza.’”


Health officials understood what our leaders today clearly don’t, which is that for a virus that targets only certain people with serious complications or death and is broadly mild (and today, downright asymptomatic) in most others, the worst thing you can do is treat every case like a serious case, needlessly stressing medical care, and risk spreading the virus in hospitals to vulnerable people who are already there, often for other ailments and chronic conditions. It was all about treatment where it was needed and developing a vaccine for the vulnerable.


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I don't think we did live through it. It killed us all.
 
I remember my mother getting that flu. It was horrible. I was 9 and stayed home from school to take care of her and do the laundry. The doctor came to the house every other day. She was so miserable.
 
Well put.


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The 1957 Asian flu, a form of H2N2 influenza that is believed to have originated in China, is estimated to have killed 116,000 Americans, the equivalent of roughly 200,000 in today’s larger America. Given that an estimated 25 percent of the entire country contracted that flu and a much larger share suffered from strong symptoms, one has to wonder what the recorded death toll would have been had we tested everyone and counted those deaths as liberally as we do today.
For even greater context, keep in mind that there were only about 4.9 million people over the age of 75 back then, as compared to 23 million today. So, while the general population was slightly more than half of what it is today, the over-75 population was approximately one-fifth of what it is today. The over-90 population was 1/12 of today’s advanced senior population. Accordingly, the death toll in 1957 was even more severe than with COVID-19 when one considers how many more seniors we have today. After all, the median age of death from COVID-19 is 78, roughly around life expectancy, with roughly half of all deaths occurring among sicker seniors in nursing homes.
Another more dangerous aspect of the Asian flu as compared to COVID-19 is that it seemed to be more dangerous to pregnant women and to cause birth defects, similar to what was observed during the Spanish flu. A study published in Minnesota in 1959 found that nearly 20% of deaths that occurred during pregnancy were due to the 1957-58 epidemic, making it the leading cause of death for pregnant women during those months. One-half of all women of child-bearing age who died during the epidemic were pregnant. Imagine the panic that would have induced today!
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Also, rather than panicking everyone and counting every last case in the country, they “recommended that ‘hospital admissions be limited as far as possible to those cases of influenza with complications, or to those with other diseases which might be aggravated by influenza.’”
Health officials understood what our leaders today clearly don’t, which is that for a virus that targets only certain people with serious complications or death and is broadly mild (and today, downright asymptomatic) in most others, the worst thing you can do is treat every case like a serious case, needlessly stressing medical care, and risk spreading the virus in hospitals to vulnerable people who are already there, often for other ailments and chronic conditions. It was all about treatment where it was needed and developing a vaccine for the vulnerable.
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Excellent analysis.
Too bad we have so many democrats. They abhor analysis, data and facts.
 

70,000 to 116,000 died in the estimate, in the USA

Fortunately, we had some great, persistent scientists who had a Flu vaccine ready, by September 1957, the month this flu first hit the U.S.

And they had the insight to know the flu in Asia in January would be a pandemic and hit the USA by the Fall of 1957.

Influenza vaccinations were created in the 1940's, so in 1957 they had the experience and knowledge of how to make the vaccine...

Holy Toledo, that was one deadly flu, considering we had a vaccine by the time it reached the US....

BUT as they say, vaccines do not save lives, vaccinations do.... And it takes time and supplies and a willing populous, to get people vaccinated.

The Corona virus, any form of it, not just COVID 19, has never had a vaccine created for it, that works.... So we are in a worse position than they were in 1957....

A corona virus is NOT an Influenza virus, and this is more difficult...

And this corona virus, has no 'season' where it slows down or dies off, like an influenza virus....
 
Well put.


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The 1957 Asian flu, a form of H2N2 influenza that is believed to have originated in China, is estimated to have killed 116,000 Americans, the equivalent of roughly 200,000 in today’s larger America. Given that an estimated 25 percent of the entire country contracted that flu and a much larger share suffered from strong symptoms, one has to wonder what the recorded death toll would have been had we tested everyone and counted those deaths as liberally as we do today.
For even greater context, keep in mind that there were only about 4.9 million people over the age of 75 back then, as compared to 23 million today. So, while the general population was slightly more than half of what it is today, the over-75 population was approximately one-fifth of what it is today. The over-90 population was 1/12 of today’s advanced senior population. Accordingly, the death toll in 1957 was even more severe than with COVID-19 when one considers how many more seniors we have today. After all, the median age of death from COVID-19 is 78, roughly around life expectancy, with roughly half of all deaths occurring among sicker seniors in nursing homes.
Another more dangerous aspect of the Asian flu as compared to COVID-19 is that it seemed to be more dangerous to pregnant women and to cause birth defects, similar to what was observed during the Spanish flu. A study published in Minnesota in 1959 found that nearly 20% of deaths that occurred during pregnancy were due to the 1957-58 epidemic, making it the leading cause of death for pregnant women during those months. One-half of all women of child-bearing age who died during the epidemic were pregnant. Imagine the panic that would have induced today!
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Also, rather than panicking everyone and counting every last case in the country, they “recommended that ‘hospital admissions be limited as far as possible to those cases of influenza with complications, or to those with other diseases which might be aggravated by influenza.’”
Health officials understood what our leaders today clearly don’t, which is that for a virus that targets only certain people with serious complications or death and is broadly mild (and today, downright asymptomatic) in most others, the worst thing you can do is treat every case like a serious case, needlessly stressing medical care, and risk spreading the virus in hospitals to vulnerable people who are already there, often for other ailments and chronic conditions. It was all about treatment where it was needed and developing a vaccine for the vulnerable.
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At some point, we are going to need to isolate. Europe has started this. Europe has determined that the US is a Covid Hot bed and no longer allows people to enter Europe from the US. Japan has a ban on people traveling from the US except for Hawaii that has blocked it's borders. New York has listed many states as needing to do mandatory 14 day isolation if the enter the state. Sooner or later, the mandatory isolations are going to be done in order to get it under control. Time to Man UP, child and act like an adult.
 
Country didn't shut the hell down then or in 1968.........

Doctor.......the man has an ear ache.......

Let's cut the foot off.........he'll feel better..........What we have today......the economic carnage is coming....now that the gov't tit is drying up.......which will be worse than the dang virus.......But IT'S ELECTION YEAR.

pfft.
 
Lets see, we did not have global transportation back then, and so many people traveling around the globe. News was another issue, no news except the local TV news. The time was different back then.
 
Lets see, we did not have global transportation back then, and so many people traveling around the globe. News was another issue, no news except the local TV news. The time was different back then.
More excuses for fucking over our nation for this BS............typical.

Why the hell are progs like LOCUSTS.........destroying everything they touch......then move on dot org to destroy other places because they fucked up their last home again.........

hmmm
 
Lets see, we did not have global transportation back then, and so many people traveling around the globe. News was another issue, no news except the local TV news. The time was different back then.
More excuses for fucking over our nation for this BS............typical.

Why the hell are progs like LOCUSTS.........destroying everything they touch......then move on dot org to destroy other places because they fucked up their last home again.........

hmmm

Not excuses just the time of 1957-1960. I have no words for your comments, its like you are one fucked up genius just like tramp.
 
Lets see, we did not have global transportation back then, and so many people traveling around the globe. News was another issue, no news except the local TV news. The time was different back then.
More excuses for fucking over our nation for this BS............typical.

Why the hell are progs like LOCUSTS.........destroying everything they touch......then move on dot org to destroy other places because they fucked up their last home again.........

hmmm

Not excuses just the time of 1957-1960. I have no words for your comments, its like you are one fucked up genius just like tramp.
Country didn't shut down Idiot............by population comparison......they are about the same..........but then again............the LSD clowns of the time weren't running the show yet........all over the country spreading FEAR AND HATE.

That is about all your side is good for anymore........

Just look at the protesters throwing piss and feces on police around the country......there is your party.
 
I came across this:

Nov 19, 1918 [Juneau] Alaska Daily Empire Spanish influenza advice reprinted from Douglas paper. "Do not disregard the advice of a specialist just because you do not understand . . . obey cheerfully the rules issued by the authorities." (Via David Reamer)

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I came across this:

Nov 19, 1918 [Juneau] Alaska Daily Empire Spanish influenza advice reprinted from Douglas paper. "Do not disregard the advice of a specialist just because you do not understand . . . obey cheerfully the rules issued by the authorities." (Via David Reamer)

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Thank you mindful!

Good advice from 100 years ago!!!
 
Well put.


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The 1957 Asian flu, a form of H2N2 influenza that is believed to have originated in China, is estimated to have killed 116,000 Americans, the equivalent of roughly 200,000 in today’s larger America. Given that an estimated 25 percent of the entire country contracted that flu and a much larger share suffered from strong symptoms, one has to wonder what the recorded death toll would have been had we tested everyone and counted those deaths as liberally as we do today.
For even greater context, keep in mind that there were only about 4.9 million people over the age of 75 back then, as compared to 23 million today. So, while the general population was slightly more than half of what it is today, the over-75 population was approximately one-fifth of what it is today. The over-90 population was 1/12 of today’s advanced senior population. Accordingly, the death toll in 1957 was even more severe than with COVID-19 when one considers how many more seniors we have today. After all, the median age of death from COVID-19 is 78, roughly around life expectancy, with roughly half of all deaths occurring among sicker seniors in nursing homes.
Another more dangerous aspect of the Asian flu as compared to COVID-19 is that it seemed to be more dangerous to pregnant women and to cause birth defects, similar to what was observed during the Spanish flu. A study published in Minnesota in 1959 found that nearly 20% of deaths that occurred during pregnancy were due to the 1957-58 epidemic, making it the leading cause of death for pregnant women during those months. One-half of all women of child-bearing age who died during the epidemic were pregnant. Imagine the panic that would have induced today!
...
Also, rather than panicking everyone and counting every last case in the country, they “recommended that ‘hospital admissions be limited as far as possible to those cases of influenza with complications, or to those with other diseases which might be aggravated by influenza.’”
Health officials understood what our leaders today clearly don’t, which is that for a virus that targets only certain people with serious complications or death and is broadly mild (and today, downright asymptomatic) in most others, the worst thing you can do is treat every case like a serious case, needlessly stressing medical care, and risk spreading the virus in hospitals to vulnerable people who are already there, often for other ailments and chronic conditions. It was all about treatment where it was needed and developing a vaccine for the vulnerable.
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This fails as a false comparison fallacy.

Common sense has been lost only by those attempting to compare past events to today’s pandemic.
 

70,000 to 116,000 died in the estimate, in the USA

Fortunately, we had some great, persistent scientists who had a Flu vaccine ready, by September 1957, the month this flu first hit the U.S.

And they had the insight to know the flu in Asia in January would be a pandemic and hit the USA by the Fall of 1957.

Influenza vaccinations were created in the 1940's, so in 1957 they had the experience and knowledge of how to make the vaccine...

Holy Toledo, that was one deadly flu, considering we had a vaccine by the time it reached the US....

BUT as they say, vaccines do not save lives, vaccinations do.... And it takes time and supplies and a willing populous, to get people vaccinated.

The Corona virus, any form of it, not just COVID 19, has never had a vaccine created for it, that works.... So we are in a worse position than they were in 1957....

A corona virus is NOT an Influenza virus, and this is more difficult...

And this corona virus, has no 'season' where it slows down or dies off, like an influenza virus....
It has no season because lockdowns won’t allow for it.
 

70,000 to 116,000 died in the estimate, in the USA

Fortunately, we had some great, persistent scientists who had a Flu vaccine ready, by September 1957, the month this flu first hit the U.S.

And they had the insight to know the flu in Asia in January would be a pandemic and hit the USA by the Fall of 1957.

Influenza vaccinations were created in the 1940's, so in 1957 they had the experience and knowledge of how to make the vaccine...

Holy Toledo, that was one deadly flu, considering we had a vaccine by the time it reached the US....

BUT as they say, vaccines do not save lives, vaccinations do.... And it takes time and supplies and a willing populous, to get people vaccinated.

The Corona virus, any form of it, not just COVID 19, has never had a vaccine created for it, that works.... So we are in a worse position than they were in 1957....

A corona virus is NOT an Influenza virus, and this is more difficult...

And this corona virus, has no 'season' where it slows down or dies off, like an influenza virus....
Your numbers omit adjustments due to population and over-75 population. Very important factors.
What’s more, a vaccine’s purpose is to enhance herd immunity. Given the severity of 1957 in spite of available vaccine, we had a much more serious situation then than we have now with Wuhan.
No lockdowns then, so why now? It’s obvious that lockdowns delay the process and likely exacerbate the problem.
 
Well put.


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The 1957 Asian flu, a form of H2N2 influenza that is believed to have originated in China, is estimated to have killed 116,000 Americans, the equivalent of roughly 200,000 in today’s larger America. Given that an estimated 25 percent of the entire country contracted that flu and a much larger share suffered from strong symptoms, one has to wonder what the recorded death toll would have been had we tested everyone and counted those deaths as liberally as we do today.
For even greater context, keep in mind that there were only about 4.9 million people over the age of 75 back then, as compared to 23 million today. So, while the general population was slightly more than half of what it is today, the over-75 population was approximately one-fifth of what it is today. The over-90 population was 1/12 of today’s advanced senior population. Accordingly, the death toll in 1957 was even more severe than with COVID-19 when one considers how many more seniors we have today. After all, the median age of death from COVID-19 is 78, roughly around life expectancy, with roughly half of all deaths occurring among sicker seniors in nursing homes.
Another more dangerous aspect of the Asian flu as compared to COVID-19 is that it seemed to be more dangerous to pregnant women and to cause birth defects, similar to what was observed during the Spanish flu. A study published in Minnesota in 1959 found that nearly 20% of deaths that occurred during pregnancy were due to the 1957-58 epidemic, making it the leading cause of death for pregnant women during those months. One-half of all women of child-bearing age who died during the epidemic were pregnant. Imagine the panic that would have induced today!
...
Also, rather than panicking everyone and counting every last case in the country, they “recommended that ‘hospital admissions be limited as far as possible to those cases of influenza with complications, or to those with other diseases which might be aggravated by influenza.’”
Health officials understood what our leaders today clearly don’t, which is that for a virus that targets only certain people with serious complications or death and is broadly mild (and today, downright asymptomatic) in most others, the worst thing you can do is treat every case like a serious case, needlessly stressing medical care, and risk spreading the virus in hospitals to vulnerable people who are already there, often for other ailments and chronic conditions. It was all about treatment where it was needed and developing a vaccine for the vulnerable.
...


Theyre counting people who died with H2N2, not from it. Totally bogus numbers.

/s
 

70,000 to 116,000 died in the estimate, in the USA

Fortunately, we had some great, persistent scientists who had a Flu vaccine ready, by September 1957, the month this flu first hit the U.S.

And they had the insight to know the flu in Asia in January would be a pandemic and hit the USA by the Fall of 1957.

Influenza vaccinations were created in the 1940's, so in 1957 they had the experience and knowledge of how to make the vaccine...

Holy Toledo, that was one deadly flu, considering we had a vaccine by the time it reached the US....

BUT as they say, vaccines do not save lives, vaccinations do.... And it takes time and supplies and a willing populous, to get people vaccinated.

The Corona virus, any form of it, not just COVID 19, has never had a vaccine created for it, that works.... So we are in a worse position than they were in 1957....

A corona virus is NOT an Influenza virus, and this is more difficult...

And this corona virus, has no 'season' where it slows down or dies off, like an influenza virus....
Your numbers omit adjustments due to population and over-75 population. Very important factors.
What’s more, a vaccine’s purpose is to enhance herd immunity. Given the severity of 1957 in spite of available vaccine, we had a much more serious situation then than we have now with Wuhan.
No lockdowns then, so why now? It’s obvious that lockdowns delay the process and likely exacerbate the problem.
I can’t imagine how bad COVID would have been in 1957. Many of today’s survivors are only here because of leaps in technology since the.
 

70,000 to 116,000 died in the estimate, in the USA

Fortunately, we had some great, persistent scientists who had a Flu vaccine ready, by September 1957, the month this flu first hit the U.S.

And they had the insight to know the flu in Asia in January would be a pandemic and hit the USA by the Fall of 1957.

Influenza vaccinations were created in the 1940's, so in 1957 they had the experience and knowledge of how to make the vaccine...

Holy Toledo, that was one deadly flu, considering we had a vaccine by the time it reached the US....

BUT as they say, vaccines do not save lives, vaccinations do.... And it takes time and supplies and a willing populous, to get people vaccinated.

The Corona virus, any form of it, not just COVID 19, has never had a vaccine created for it, that works.... So we are in a worse position than they were in 1957....

A corona virus is NOT an Influenza virus, and this is more difficult...

And this corona virus, has no 'season' where it slows down or dies off, like an influenza virus....
Your numbers omit adjustments due to population and over-75 population. Very important factors.
What’s more, a vaccine’s purpose is to enhance herd immunity. Given the severity of 1957 in spite of available vaccine, we had a much more serious situation then than we have now with Wuhan.
No lockdowns then, so why now? It’s obvious that lockdowns delay the process and likely exacerbate the problem.
I can’t imagine how bad COVID would have been in 1957. Many of today’s survivors are only here because of leaps in technology since the.

What leaps of tech would those be?
From what I can tell they're using no new tech. It's ventilators and thats pretty much it and those have been around since 1928.
 

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