Lies, innuendo or just more BULLSHIT, You Decide

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    Great news! We have a plan for victory in Iraq. Now, for all of you who are thinking to yourselves, "Wait a minute... shouldn't we have had a plan for victory before we invaded?" - well you're wrong. See, this administration likes to work backwards.

    Yes, last week George W. Bush unveiled his National Strategy for Victory in Iraq , just a little over two and a half years and 2,000 dead U.S. troops after he announced that the mission was accomplished. Good job.

    Bush's plan calls - again - for Iraqi forces to "stand up" so that U.S. forces can "stand down." If you think you've heard that before, well, you have. But there's a difference - since the last time Bush announced this plan, things have apparently changed in Iraq. Here's what Our Great Leader had to say last week:

    The progress of the Iraqi forces is especially clear when the recent anti-terrorist operations in Tal Afar are compared with last year’s assault in Fallujah. In Fallujah, the assault was led by nine coalition battalions made up primarily of United States Marines and Army - with six Iraqi battalions supporting them... This year in Tal Afar, it was a very different story. The assault was primarily led by Iraqi security forces - 11 Iraqi battalions, backed by five coalition battalions providing support.

    Great! Just one problem: it's not true. As Think Progress recently noted, journalists who are actually embedded with U.S. forces in Iraq (remember them?) are painting a very different picture of the reality on the ground. Here's what Time magazine reporter Michael Ware told Anderson Cooper last week:

    I was in that battle (Tal Afar) from the very beginning to the very end. I was with Iraqi units right there on the front line as they were battling with al Qaeda. They were not leading. They were being led by the U.S. green beret special forces with them. Green berets who were following an American plan of attack who were advancing with these Iraqi units as and when they were told to do so by the American battle planners. The Iraqis led nothing.

    George W. Bush lied? I'm shocked.

    But this whole "Plan for Victory" thing becomes far less surprising given the revelation that Bush's speech was written, at least in part, by Dr. Peter Feaver, a National Security Council pollster. According to the New York Times, Feaver concluded through public opinion research that "Americans would support a war with mounting casualties on one condition: that they believe it would ultimately succeed."

    So it seems that the real plan for victory in Iraq is "we don't actually need a plan, as long as the American public thinks we've got a plan."

    Good job Our Great Leader doesn't pay attention to the polls, right?


    Psychoblues
     
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    AaaaAhhhh, Lies, innuendo or 'bs, aaahhhh Lie's, innuendo or bull.....
    Sorry I choose the latter, now your fighting with the iraqi's in this war..and If I remembe.Last week you we're fighting in the Ist gulf war, and most of them boys didn;t even know who saddam hussaim was::: and the week before that ii was in, hmmm let me remember ahah the ww1 or was it ww2 or was it the Korean war. Shuck's I forget.
    Or I got it, it was the civil war, now come on tell the truth.tell the turh.........slap:
     
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    Are you trying to be funny or are you just fucked up on drugs and alcohol? I dunno. Maybe someone else can make sense of your gibberish.

    Psychoblues

     
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    Did you just say I speak jibbbbbbbbeeeerrrrsssh, I speak perferctly fine to me, what's wrong with you? :rolleyes: :bow3:
     
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    We liberated a country from tyranny

    They had elections

    They now have a representational form of government and a constitution

    They are an ally and in the Middle East

    Women, Kurds and other groups long denied equal protections under the law now enjoy them

    Those responsible for the torture, the rape rooms and the mass graves are being brought to justice

    Many terrorists and their terror networks are being shut down....

    Yes, you're right.... we blew it big time...

    As Ann Coulter once said "A liberal is a person who can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory"

    And for all you liberals in yoga land.... here is your daily mantra!!!!! Repeat it until it becomes true!!!! And remember, George W Bush has bad karma!!!!

    "Hare Krishna, Om, Hare Krishna Om, Bush Lied, Hare Krishna , Om, No War for Oil, Hare Krishna, Om, Illegal War, Hare Krishna, Om, Quagmire, Hare Krishna, Om, Multilateralism, Hare Krishna, Om, Haliburton, Hare Krishna, Om, Bring our Troops Home, Hare Krisha, Om, Cheney is Satan, Hare Krishna, Om, Cindy Sheehan is Right, Hare Krishna, Om, Michael Moore Said, Hare Krishna, Om...."
     
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    Thats like a prerequisite question before reading anyone of your posts.

    I personally am glad that Bush doesnt worry about criticism from aging hippies that have smoked themselves too stupid to understand what a "stratergy" is. His stated plan from the begining was to remove Saddam from power. Check. Create an elected government chosen by the people. Check. Establish security in most of the country. Check. Establish an Iraqi military and security force. Almost there. Ensure that IRaq is capable of running self-sufficiently. Might take another 5 to 10 years to fully achieve that. All the while the troop levels will be steadily decreasing as the Iraqi forces become more competant.

    I like your enthusiasm, psycho. Way to root for the enemy as usual.
     
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    well, with boycotting of a big group in Iraq there isn't real democracy when these groups are the 2nd largest ethnicity/"religious group" in the country. Even if the group (sunnites) decided on its own will that they want to stay out of political process.

    the transistional government was therefore only democratic from the voters that participated in the elections on january. But not democratic in terms of the population of Iraq and Iraq as a whole construct.
    This transistional government was therefore only a "time.frequentiated" coalition of egoists which took advatage of the situation that sunnites boycotted the whole process till now.


    The elections of 15 December will be the first step to a situation that deserves to be called democracy as the Sunnites now will join the elections. And this democracy situation came only with USA.
    So Sunnites are acknowledging that political interests are being fought in parliament.
    And their past boycotting of the political process have harmed only themselves as others ensured and arranged their interests in the constitution and in the transistional government.

    When you look into the participating list of the parties in the upcomeing elections, there are dozens of parties which will go through "democratic darwinism" in the next years. Today it is all a very bit infragile and chaos~like.
    I know this is all hypothtic and lies in the future, but the most serious question for Iraqi democracy will be whether there will step up political parties that represent whole Iraq and are electable for their "program" or everything remains as now. By Now i mean: Sunnite parties which are elected by sunnites, shiites elected by shiites. This cannot function continously in a democracy when all parties are only doing politics for their own clientel. And this clientel is based on religion or ethnic diversification.
     
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    Pretty good analyisis. Democracy can only represent those who choose to participate in it though and in America different ethnicities and cultures are represented because they choose to be part of the process. If they didn't, we could very easily have different groups going after each other with weapons. So far we remain a nation that lives by rule of law and not of might.
     
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    Well, it's great news to see that you Dimwits finally realize that there is a plan. I suppose you think Bush just pulled this "new" plan out of his hat yesterday. If you'd been paying attention, the plan has been there all along right under your noses.

    Hillary seems to be on the same page as Bush. Are you telling us that your Great Leader is ALSO full of "lies, innuendo, and just more bullshit"? :boobies:
     
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    just a couple of psycho's quotes..."Battle of (Tal Afar)"..."U.S.green beret special forces" I truly believe Psycho should listen the the song by Sgt. Barry Sadler..."Ballad of the Green Berets" cause all the Special Ops guys I knew were like Marines...Once a Green Beret always a Green Beret...would never down play or bash brothers!
     

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