Libs Big Lie on McCarthy is embarrassing by now

[bripat9643]

So, the people he harassed that weren't Communists don't matter at all. NICE!

Name one.

Fred Fisher

Nope:

The Real McCarthy Record, Page 4

The Fred Fisher Episode. On June 9th, the 30th day of the hearings, Welch was engaged in baiting Roy Cohn, challenging him to get 130 communists or subversives out of defense plants "before the sun goes down." The treatment of Cohn angered McCarthy and he said that if Welch were so concerned about persons aiding the Communist Party, he should check on a man in his Boston law office named Fred Fisher, who had once belonged to the National Lawyers Guild (NLG), which Attorney General Brownell had called "the legal mouthpiece of the Communist Party." Welch then delivered the most famous lines from the Army-McCarthy Hearings, accusing McCarthy of "reckless cruelty" and concluding: "Let us not assassinate this lad further, senator. You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?"

The fact of the matter was that Fred Fisher's connection with the National Lawyers Guild had been widely publicized two months earlier. Page 12 of the April 16th New York Times had carried a picture of Fisher and a story about his removal from Welch's team because of his past association with the NLG. If Mr. Welch was so worried that McCarthy's remarks might inflict a lifelong "scar" on Fisher's reputation, why did he dramatize the incident in such histrionic fashion? The reason, of course, was that McCarthy had fallen into a trap in raising the Fisher issue, and Welch, superb showman that he was, played the scene for all it was worth. Was Fred Fisher hurt by the incident? Not at all. He became a partner in Welch's Boston law firm, Hale & Dorr, and was elected president of the Massachusetts Bar Association in the mid-1970s.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Name one.

Fred Fisher

Nope:

The Real McCarthy Record, Page 4

The Fred Fisher Episode. On June 9th, the 30th day of the hearings, Welch was engaged in baiting Roy Cohn, challenging him to get 130 communists or subversives out of defense plants "before the sun goes down." The treatment of Cohn angered McCarthy and he said that if Welch were so concerned about persons aiding the Communist Party, he should check on a man in his Boston law office named Fred Fisher, who had once belonged to the National Lawyers Guild (NLG), which Attorney General Brownell had called "the legal mouthpiece of the Communist Party." Welch then delivered the most famous lines from the Army-McCarthy Hearings, accusing McCarthy of "reckless cruelty" and concluding: "Let us not assassinate this lad further, senator. You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?"

The fact of the matter was that Fred Fisher's connection with the National Lawyers Guild had been widely publicized two months earlier. Page 12 of the April 16th New York Times had carried a picture of Fisher and a story about his removal from Welch's team because of his past association with the NLG. If Mr. Welch was so worried that McCarthy's remarks might inflict a lifelong "scar" on Fisher's reputation, why did he dramatize the incident in such histrionic fashion? The reason, of course, was that McCarthy had fallen into a trap in raising the Fisher issue, and Welch, superb showman that he was, played the scene for all it was worth. Was Fred Fisher hurt by the incident? Not at all. He became a partner in Welch's Boston law firm, Hale & Dorr, and was elected president of the Massachusetts Bar Association in the mid-1970s.

So you have to wonder about Welsh's true loyalties. Not all of the spies and tools made the Verona list

 

[L.K.Eder]

dems evolved from:

Mccarthy's evil huac destroyed people lives and blacklisted zero mostel!!! To

communists directing us policy? Eh no biggie

lol!!! Now you're saying mccarthy was in the house? Stepping on your message, aren't you?!?!

HUARGH

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[MuadDib]

McCarthy was a bit of a nutjob, but he was correct that there were Communists and Socialists in the government, publishing, and entertainment industries and had been since the failed socialist revolution of 1848 in Germany, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia.

 

[Too Tall]

In HBO's "the Newsroom" the Sam Waterson character went off on a bizarre and total incorrect tangent about what a bad man Joe McCarthy was and how he would have been dangerous chairing a House Subcommittee on Communications!

It was hysterical!

Libs are reading from an outdated totally incorrect playbook and the only people listening are the uneducated.

McCarthy warned us that people in the White House and US State Department were Moscow Operative and the Soviets confirmed this.

Lib still labor under a Piltdown Man version of US History.

It's over, fellas, you lost your media monopoly. You look like idiots

McCarthy was a US Senator. How could he possibly chair any House Committee?

You are pointing to a piece of fiction and crowing because it wasn't true?

I'm pointing out the failed, flawed, 60 year out of date Progressive narrative on McCarthy. They act as if they still have a media monopoly and that the Soviets never released Verona or the FBI never released their files, all of which totally and irrefutably vindicate McCarthy

This excerpt from Wiki:

The House Committee on Un-American Activities became a standing (permanent) committee in 1945. Representative Edward J. Hart (D) of New Jersey became the committee's first chairman. Under the mandate of Public Law 601, passed by the 79th Congress, the committee of nine representatives investigated suspected threats of subversion or propaganda that attacked "the form of government guaranteed by our Constitution."

Under this mandate, the committee focused its investigations on real and suspected communists in positions of actual or supposed influence in the United States society. A significant step for HUAC was its investigation of the charges of espionage brought against Alger Hiss in 1948. This investigation ultimately resulted in Hiss's trial and conviction for perjury, and convinced many of the usefulness of congressional committees for uncovering communist subversion.

Hollywood blacklist

In 1947, the committee held nine days of hearings into alleged communist propaganda and influence in the Hollywood motion picture industry. After conviction on contempt of Congress charges for refusal to answer some questions posed by committee members, the "Hollywood Ten" were blacklisted by the industry. Eventually, more than 300 artists—including directors, radio commentators, actors and particularly screenwriters—were boycotted by the studios. Some, like Charlie Chaplin, left the U.S. to find work. Others wrote under pseudonyms or the names of colleagues. Only about ten percent succeeded in rebuilding careers within the entertainment industry.

In 1947, studio executives told the committee that wartime films—such as Mission to Moscow, The North Star, and Song of Russia—could be considered pro-Soviet propaganda, but claimed that the films were valuable in the context of the Allied war effort, and that they were made (in the case of Mission to Moscow) at the request of White House officials. In response to the House investigations, most studios produced a number of anti-communist and anti-Soviet propaganda films such as John Wayne's Big Jim McLain, Guilty of Treason (about the ordeal and trial of Cardinal József Mindszenty), The Red Menace, The Red Danube, I Married a Communist, Red Planet Mars, and I Was a Communist for the FBI, which was nominated for an Academy Award for the best documentary in 1951 and also serialized for radio.[16] Universal-International Pictures was the only major studio that did not produce such a film.

Whittaker Chambers and Alger Hiss

In 1948, the committee heard testimony from former spy, and then foreign desk editor of Time magazine, Whittaker Chambers, that numerous figures working for the federal government were in fact, communist agents. Some of the people Chambers named had already died or left the country. Some refused to answer committee questions, citing the Fifth Amendment, and one, Alger Hiss, denied all the charges. In his testimony before the commission, Hiss made a number of false statements for which he was later convicted of perjury and imprisoned.

The House of Representatives was under Democrat control and a helluva lot of the things that were blamed on McCarthy actually came out of the HUAC.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You are pointing to a piece of fiction and crowing because it wasn't true?

I'm pointing out the failed, flawed, 60 year out of date Progressive narrative on McCarthy. They act as if they still have a media monopoly and that the Soviets never released Verona or the FBI never released their files, all of which totally and irrefutably vindicate McCarthy

This excerpt from Wiki:

The House Committee on Un-American Activities became a standing (permanent) committee in 1945. Representative Edward J. Hart (D) of New Jersey became the committee's first chairman. Under the mandate of Public Law 601, passed by the 79th Congress, the committee of nine representatives investigated suspected threats of subversion or propaganda that attacked "the form of government guaranteed by our Constitution."

Under this mandate, the committee focused its investigations on real and suspected communists in positions of actual or supposed influence in the United States society. A significant step for HUAC was its investigation of the charges of espionage brought against Alger Hiss in 1948. This investigation ultimately resulted in Hiss's trial and conviction for perjury, and convinced many of the usefulness of congressional committees for uncovering communist subversion.

Hollywood blacklist

In 1947, the committee held nine days of hearings into alleged communist propaganda and influence in the Hollywood motion picture industry. After conviction on contempt of Congress charges for refusal to answer some questions posed by committee members, the "Hollywood Ten" were blacklisted by the industry. Eventually, more than 300 artists—including directors, radio commentators, actors and particularly screenwriters—were boycotted by the studios. Some, like Charlie Chaplin, left the U.S. to find work. Others wrote under pseudonyms or the names of colleagues. Only about ten percent succeeded in rebuilding careers within the entertainment industry.

In 1947, studio executives told the committee that wartime films—such as Mission to Moscow, The North Star, and Song of Russia—could be considered pro-Soviet propaganda, but claimed that the films were valuable in the context of the Allied war effort, and that they were made (in the case of Mission to Moscow) at the request of White House officials. In response to the House investigations, most studios produced a number of anti-communist and anti-Soviet propaganda films such as John Wayne's Big Jim McLain, Guilty of Treason (about the ordeal and trial of Cardinal József Mindszenty), The Red Menace, The Red Danube, I Married a Communist, Red Planet Mars, and I Was a Communist for the FBI, which was nominated for an Academy Award for the best documentary in 1951 and also serialized for radio.[16] Universal-International Pictures was the only major studio that did not produce such a film.

Whittaker Chambers and Alger Hiss

In 1948, the committee heard testimony from former spy, and then foreign desk editor of Time magazine, Whittaker Chambers, that numerous figures working for the federal government were in fact, communist agents. Some of the people Chambers named had already died or left the country. Some refused to answer committee questions, citing the Fifth Amendment, and one, Alger Hiss, denied all the charges. In his testimony before the commission, Hiss made a number of false statements for which he was later convicted of perjury and imprisoned.

The House of Representatives was under Democrat control and a helluva lot of the things that were blamed on McCarthy actually came out of the HUAC.

In the first page of the book "Blacklisted by History" Stan Evans points out that McCarthy was a Senator and had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the HUAC.

It was a startling revelation for me because my whole life I had been trained to think that McCarthy and his HUAC blacklisted innocent people.

See, the OP shows how the Left still tries to pawn off the Big Lie.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

McCarthy was a bit of a nutjob, but he was correct that there were Communists and Socialists in the government, publishing, and entertainment industries and had been since the failed socialist revolution of 1848 in Germany, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia.

Actually, he wasn't anything of a nutjob at all

 

[bripat9643]

You are pointing to a piece of fiction and crowing because it wasn't true?

I'm pointing out the failed, flawed, 60 year out of date Progressive narrative on McCarthy. They act as if they still have a media monopoly and that the Soviets never released Verona or the FBI never released their files, all of which totally and irrefutably vindicate McCarthy

This excerpt from Wiki:

The House Committee on Un-American Activities became a standing (permanent) committee in 1945. Representative Edward J. Hart (D) of New Jersey became the committee's first chairman. Under the mandate of Public Law 601, passed by the 79th Congress, the committee of nine representatives investigated suspected threats of subversion or propaganda that attacked "the form of government guaranteed by our Constitution."

Under this mandate, the committee focused its investigations on real and suspected communists in positions of actual or supposed influence in the United States society. A significant step for HUAC was its investigation of the charges of espionage brought against Alger Hiss in 1948. This investigation ultimately resulted in Hiss's trial and conviction for perjury, and convinced many of the usefulness of congressional committees for uncovering communist subversion.

Hollywood blacklist

In 1947, the committee held nine days of hearings into alleged communist propaganda and influence in the Hollywood motion picture industry. After conviction on contempt of Congress charges for refusal to answer some questions posed by committee members, the "Hollywood Ten" were blacklisted by the industry. Eventually, more than 300 artists—including directors, radio commentators, actors and particularly screenwriters—were boycotted by the studios. Some, like Charlie Chaplin, left the U.S. to find work. Others wrote under pseudonyms or the names of colleagues. Only about ten percent succeeded in rebuilding careers within the entertainment industry.

In 1947, studio executives told the committee that wartime films—such as Mission to Moscow, The North Star, and Song of Russia—could be considered pro-Soviet propaganda, but claimed that the films were valuable in the context of the Allied war effort, and that they were made (in the case of Mission to Moscow) at the request of White House officials. In response to the House investigations, most studios produced a number of anti-communist and anti-Soviet propaganda films such as John Wayne's Big Jim McLain, Guilty of Treason (about the ordeal and trial of Cardinal József Mindszenty), The Red Menace, The Red Danube, I Married a Communist, Red Planet Mars, and I Was a Communist for the FBI, which was nominated for an Academy Award for the best documentary in 1951 and also serialized for radio.[16] Universal-International Pictures was the only major studio that did not produce such a film.

Whittaker Chambers and Alger Hiss

In 1948, the committee heard testimony from former spy, and then foreign desk editor of Time magazine, Whittaker Chambers, that numerous figures working for the federal government were in fact, communist agents. Some of the people Chambers named had already died or left the country. Some refused to answer committee questions, citing the Fifth Amendment, and one, Alger Hiss, denied all the charges. In his testimony before the commission, Hiss made a number of false statements for which he was later convicted of perjury and imprisoned.

The House of Representatives was under Democrat control and a helluva lot of the things that were blamed on McCarthy actually came out of the HUAC.

Alger Hiss was guilty as hell, and so were all the Hollywood 10. No one has ever managed to name a single innocent person who was hauled before HUAC or McCarthy in the Senate.

 

[The T]

McCarthy was a bit of a nutjob, but he was correct that there were Communists and Socialists in the government, publishing, and entertainment industries and had been since the failed socialist revolution of 1848 in Germany, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia.

Actually, he wasn't anything of a nutjob at all

It all began with the 'Progressives' including Woodrow Wilson...

 

[P@triot]

You see? They don't even know the history. McCarthy didn't make any new accusations, he took information from prior investigations to the committee and advised that more investigation should happen. He was forced to name names on the committee floor out of the fbi/Amerasia files.

It turns out he was correct. There were several soviet spies in the WH and the State Dept. and these people were saved instead of investigated or removed. McCarthy took the fall.

You should read history instead of regurgitating lies.

I really don't take people with Stew Bums as Avis seriously..

But the fact is, McCarthy was a cheap demagogue. Eventually, his own party and the press turned on him because he went too far.

We let our fear take hold, and usually, when cooler heads prevailed, we find the guy who started the panic and take it out on him. Which is a sort of justice, I guess.

Joe, the fact is, you've been smacked upside your head with facts and now you're just back peddling and changing the subject. You don't know anything about McCarthy - that much is clear.

Why don't you show a shred of honesty for once and and replace one of your hammers in your avatar with a sickle?

 

[bodecea]

In HBO's "the Newsroom" the Sam Waterson character went off on a bizarre and total incorrect tangent about what a bad man Joe McCarthy was and how he would have been dangerous chairing a House Subcommittee on Communications!

It was hysterical!

Libs are reading from an outdated totally incorrect playbook and the only people listening are the uneducated.

McCarthy warned us that people in the White House and US State Department were Moscow Operative and the Soviets confirmed this.

Lib still labor under a Piltdown Man version of US History.

It's over, fellas, you lost your media monopoly. You look like idiots

McCarthy was a US Senator. How could he possibly chair any House Committee?

Oh yes....let's revive Joe McCarthy, Righties!

 

[MuadDib]

McCarthy was a bit of a nutjob, but he was correct that there were Communists and Socialists in the government, publishing, and entertainment industries and had been since the failed socialist revolution of 1848 in Germany, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia.

Actually, he wasn't anything of a nutjob at all

It all began with the 'Progressives' including Woodrow Wilson...

Wilson helped, but European socialists were already well entrenched by the time he came along.

 

[The T]

Actually, he wasn't anything of a nutjob at all

It all began with the 'Progressives' including Woodrow Wilson...

Wilson helped, but European socialists were already well entrenched by the time he came along.

True...But Wilson was a HUGE conduit. That bunch gave us the 16th, 17th Amendments, and the Federal Reserve. Obama is only here to try to tie the ribbons on that work started 100 years ago.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In HBO's "the Newsroom" the Sam Waterson character went off on a bizarre and total incorrect tangent about what a bad man Joe McCarthy was and how he would have been dangerous chairing a House Subcommittee on Communications!

It was hysterical!

Libs are reading from an outdated totally incorrect playbook and the only people listening are the uneducated.

McCarthy warned us that people in the White House and US State Department were Moscow Operative and the Soviets confirmed this.

Lib still labor under a Piltdown Man version of US History.

It's over, fellas, you lost your media monopoly. You look like idiots

McCarthy was a US Senator. How could he possibly chair any House Committee?

Oh yes....let's revive Joe McCarthy, Righties!

You and Jilly always add to much to the debate.

Thank you for that priceless contribution

 

[MuadDib]

It all began with the 'Progressives' including Woodrow Wilson...

Wilson helped, but European socialists were already well entrenched by the time he came along.

True...But Wilson was a HUGE conduit. That bunch gave us the 16th, 17th Amendments, and the Federal Reserve. Obama is only here to try to tie the ribbons on that work started 100 years ago.

They also gave us the 18th Amendment. It was the Progressives who were pushing for Prohibition.

 

[PratchettFan]

Yeah, you'd that a news cast show, even a fictional one, would get at least some basic facts right and not keep repeating 60 year old lies.

I don't expect any work of fiction to get facts right. That is why they call it fiction.

I have read your posts. Aren't you one of those folks who keep talking about liberty?

So the Deep Horizon explosion never happened either? Fascinating, the one thing Progressive can continue to fictionalize is the Evilness of Joe McCarthy. Absolutely fascinating.

Then consider this a public service to bring to light the truth about McCarthy

I'm not following your logic. The Titanic did indeed sink in the Atlantic, but that doesn't mean Leonardo DiCaprio had sex in a car in the hold before it went down or that there was a huge diamond on board. A work of fiction is a work of fiction. You don't look to it for correct facts.

Joe McCarthy was a drunk and a demagogue. For all I know, he thought he was doing good in the beginning, but he clearly didn't give a damn about truth or who he hurt in the end. He proved to be an embarrasment to the party and was shunned. Rightfully so. In a free society, an embarrassment is the only thing you could call him. Assuming you actually believe in freedom, that is.

You are, of course, free to see it any way you like and to express your opinion on the subject without fear of reprisals. However, if McCarthy had had his way, you wouldn't.

 

[Too Tall]

I don't expect any work of fiction to get facts right. That is why they call it fiction.

I have read your posts. Aren't you one of those folks who keep talking about liberty?

So the Deep Horizon explosion never happened either? Fascinating, the one thing Progressive can continue to fictionalize is the Evilness of Joe McCarthy. Absolutely fascinating.

Then consider this a public service to bring to light the truth about McCarthy

I'm not following your logic. The Titanic did indeed sink in the Atlantic, but that doesn't mean Leonardo DiCaprio had sex in a car in the hold before it went down or that there was a huge diamond on board. A work of fiction is a work of fiction. You don't look to it for correct facts.

Joe McCarthy was a drunk and a demagogue. For all I know, he thought he was doing good in the beginning, but he clearly didn't give a damn about truth or who he hurt in the end. He proved to be an embarrasment to the party and was shunned. Rightfully so. In a free society, an embarrassment is the only thing you could call him. Assuming you actually believe in freedom, that is.

You are, of course, free to see it any way you like and to express your opinion on the subject without fear of reprisals. However, if McCarthy had had his way, you wouldn't.

It is a given that McCarthy had a serious drinking problem. So did Ted Kennedy, but at least McCarthy didn't drown anyone.

 

[bripat9643]

Joe McCarthy was a drunk and a demagogue. For all I know, he thought he was doing good in the beginning, but he clearly didn't give a damn about truth or who he hurt in the end. He proved to be an embarrasment to the party and was shunned. Rightfully so. In a free society, an embarrassment is the only thing you could call him. Assuming you actually believe in freedom, that is.

You are, of course, free to see it any way you like and to express your opinion on the subject without fear of reprisals. However, if McCarthy had had his way, you wouldn't.

That's all pure horseshit. The true demogogues are the commies and their sympathizers who attacked McCarthy. Everything MaCarthy said about communists infiltrating our government was 100% true. Nothing that morons like you say about him is supported by the historical facts.

 

[regent]

So how many communist spies did McCarthy uncover on his own?

 

[PratchettFan]

Joe McCarthy was a drunk and a demagogue. For all I know, he thought he was doing good in the beginning, but he clearly didn't give a damn about truth or who he hurt in the end. He proved to be an embarrasment to the party and was shunned. Rightfully so. In a free society, an embarrassment is the only thing you could call him. Assuming you actually believe in freedom, that is.

You are, of course, free to see it any way you like and to express your opinion on the subject without fear of reprisals. However, if McCarthy had had his way, you wouldn't.

That's all pure horseshit. The true demogogues are the commies and their sympathizers who attacked McCarthy. Everything MaCarthy said about communists infiltrating our government was 100% true. Nothing that morons like you say about him is supported by the historical facts.

Oh yes. Commies, like the US Army. A well known communist organization. And like the US Senate (then with a republican majority) that publicly condemned the man. Like Joseph Welch, a life long republican and head council for the US Army (that bunch of commies) who finally stopped the whole nightmare by asking, on TV, whether McCarthy had any sense of decency at all. And Dwight Eisenhower, a huge communist, who once refered to McCarthy as "a man steeped in falsehood."

Of course, those people were only there and experienced the situation firsthand. They were hampered by having known McCarthy. They didn't have your opportunity of learning about it from people with absolutely no regard for the truth.

Why don't you try actually looking at history with honest eyes rather than just being a good little follower and believing whatever you are told to believe.