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"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Gandhi
I would think all religious people would be liberal? You mean I got that wrong? Heck, we exist for a second in time and eternity waits with long arms, so why worry about money or property or things, worry about the hungry the sick the homeless the needy, help others and do not whine about material things, and if you are blessed as my religious friends sometimes say, help others on their way to that large time that makes this time so short and meaningless.
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"My country is the world, and my religion is to do good." Thomas Paine
"When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion." Abraham Lincoln
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yeah, darn those crazy catholics for actually REALLY being pro life and not liking pretend wars of choice or the death penalty.
how "cultlike" of them.
p.s. you're wrong anyway.... episcopalians are liberal, too. they're not so fond of gay-bashing in addition to the things that bug catholics.
good try, though.
Interestingly, I know several Episcopalians.... they're all conservatives. I think it's silly to assume things about people based on their religion. For instances, I know not one single Catholic who 'bashes gays'. Go figure.
you've never been to the episcopal church in NYC, have you? as a general rule, they tend to be more liberal. but thanks for the anecdotal comments.
catholics don't exactly fight for gay rights. i think that was my point. i'd also be less cranky about it, b/c i was saying catholics tend to be more consistent on the subject of "life" than fundies are.
and really... i was responding to someone who just called y'all a cult.
doncha think that rightwingnut loon is the one you should try take to the woodshed?
I want to talk to some LIBERAL Christians, not right wingers.
See what I mean?
I am more liberal than most liberals on this board. Yet, because I do not fit your definition of liberal, and because I am a Christian, you respond with insults.
Be here now. Do you want to talk now or not? Tell me about why you think you're a liberal.
I'd like to meet you. I know you exist.
I'd like to meet you. I know you exist.
There's thousands of them out here. We call them the Amish.
Completely apolitical, don't vote or participate in politics, so maybe not the kind of liberal you were looking for.
But extremely liberal, Socialist bordering Communist even, in their behavior within their community.
See what I mean?
I am more liberal than most liberals on this board. Yet, because I do not fit your definition of liberal, and because I am a Christian, you respond with insults.
Be here now. Do you want to talk now or not? Tell me about why you think you're a liberal.
Your problem is that you seem pretty fucking cool with insults from those you agree with, but get your panties in a bunch with insults from those you do not.
I find that to be more than a tad ignorant.
I am definitely a liberal. You are not.
Liberals focus first on liberty and equal rights. They speak up even when someone who they hate is being persecuted or oppressed. Liberals follow the principles of the Age of Enlightenment, they believe that the government rules only by consent, and that individuals have fundamental rights to life, liberty, and property. Those are the core beliefs of liberals. They see different ways to get to those beliefs, so there is a broad spectrum of beliefs in liberalism, but if you do not hold those core beliefs, you are not a liberal.
I am closer to those core values that you are. Most conservatives on this board are closer to those core beliefs than you are. Like I said, I am closer to being a liberal than most liberals on this board, mostly because most liberals on this board are actually progressives.
Most 'conservatives' on this board are bigots, if we accept their word that they are conservative. One can argue the definition of liberal, conservative and progressive all day, but the OP asked about being "Christian" and that too requires definiton. Their are "Sunday" Christians and Christians who practice the values JC is purported to have preached everyday. Not the values preached by too many of the clergy today.
Be here now. Do you want to talk now or not? Tell me about why you think you're a liberal.
Your problem is that you seem pretty fucking cool with insults from those you agree with, but get your panties in a bunch with insults from those you do not.
I find that to be more than a tad ignorant.
Rather than talk about "my problem" can we discuss the topic?
I can thank whoever I choose. I thanked that post because I too, believe Jesus was a liberal, and he was killed by conservatives--the Romans.Your problem is that you seem pretty fucking cool with insults from those you agree with, but get your panties in a bunch with insults from those you do not.
I find that to be more than a tad ignorant.
Rather than talk about "my problem" can we discuss the topic?
You don't want to discuss it with conservatives. You made the rule, you die by it.
I find your thanking of the ignorant twit who commented that 'Jesus was a liberal who was killed by conservatives' to be highly offensive. So, no, I wouldn't waste my breath "discussing" it with you.
/shrug
Why would anybody disagree with the facts? He was despised by the establishment, and they put him to death.
The point most people miss is Christ was sent here to die so that all may live - so the 'how' of it doesn't actually matter, IMO.
Yeah, you're right.
We don't agree.
Okay - well. I don't know why you are looking for "liberal Christians" then, because it sounds like you just want to poke fun at the faith of believers, period.
I can thank whoever I choose. I thanked that post because I too, believe Jesus was a liberal, and he was killed by conservatives--the Romans.Rather than talk about "my problem" can we discuss the topic?
You don't want to discuss it with conservatives. You made the rule, you die by it.
I find your thanking of the ignorant twit who commented that 'Jesus was a liberal who was killed by conservatives' to be highly offensive. So, no, I wouldn't waste my breath "discussing" it with you.
I'm looking to discuss a few things with fellow liberals who follow Jesus teachings. Why does that bother you?
I'm not trying to get on your nerves, CG. Why am I now?
I can thank whoever I choose. I thanked that post because I too, believe Jesus was a liberal, and he was killed by conservatives--the Romans.You don't want to discuss it with conservatives. You made the rule, you die by it.
I find your thanking of the ignorant twit who commented that 'Jesus was a liberal who was killed by conservatives' to be highly offensive. So, no, I wouldn't waste my breath "discussing" it with you.
I'm looking to discuss a few things with fellow liberals who follow Jesus teachings. Why does that bother you?
I'm not trying to get on your nerves, CG. Why am I now?
Doesn't bother me. I just wonder why you want to discuss with liberals and then ask me whether I want to discuss it.... not that I give a damn since you're clearly not intelligent enough to discuss Christianity - judging by your fucking moronic belief that Jesus was 'liberal' and that Romans were 'conservative'.
When you grow a brain, let me know.
I can thank whoever I choose. I thanked that post because I too, believe Jesus was a liberal, and he was killed by conservatives--the Romans.
I'm looking to discuss a few things with fellow liberals who follow Jesus teachings. Why does that bother you?
I'm not trying to get on your nerves, CG. Why am I now?
Doesn't bother me. I just wonder why you want to discuss with liberals and then ask me whether I want to discuss it.... not that I give a damn since you're clearly not intelligent enough to discuss Christianity - judging by your fucking moronic belief that Jesus was 'liberal' and that Romans were 'conservative'.
When you grow a brain, let me know.
If you don't want to post on this topic, why are you here?
All you want to do is throw insults at me. I want to talk to politically liberal Christians.
I'd neg rep you for all those insults, but I have to spread it around.
Okay - well. I don't know why you are looking for "liberal Christians" then, because it sounds like you just want to poke fun at the faith of believers, period.
No, not really. I'm interested in talking to Christians who do not practice in a church or have fundie views. I'm interested in talking to people who follow Jesus teachings and consider themselves politically liberal.
I do have my days when I want to "poke fun". Not now. Not today. I think it's safe to say most conservative Christians rub me the wrong way, and I do the same to them. Some days I'm angry about some stupid thing a Christian said or did and I unfairly "light into" someone who doesn't deserve it. Some days, some people do the same to me.
Most of the Christians I've met here are very conservative. I know there are liberals out there. I want to meet them.