Let's be honest

[francoHFW]

#14-Anybody but Fox and our RW a-holes, I suppose...

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Honesty, what do you think is the real cause of the killings going on in the Middle East?

Is it because of American hatred?

Is it because of Americans religious bigotry?

Is it because of a movie released 1 year ago, or now that it was shown it was released a year ago the claim that it was the trailer released on YouTube? (story changes to fit circumstances)

Is it over the killing of OBL?

If you wish to discuss, a WHY would be nice.

Muslims are fucking whack. The whole religion from when it started to present day has been about violence and how to re-direct it to keep the sand ******* from robbing and killing each other.

Mecca isn't a "holy land". It started out as a "safe zone" because the Arabs were slaughtering each other and robbing the nomads and interupting trade in that part of the world.

Muslims have always been mad about something. There has never been a time of peace with those stupid fucks. One can probably blame it on a lack of water. If ya ask me they are as stupid as Eskimos. Ever wonder why a race of people would call "ice" home? I wonder about that often. I feel the same way about a race of people that call "sand" home.

They are fuckin whack.

This is funny cause my post earlier got me negged by a liberal as a racist. I told him he had no idea what real racism is but it seems you've got it pretty well covered.

 

[Freewill]

Ron Paul Explains Reasons for 9/11 - YouTube

Blame America first crack pot no wonder he losses even though he has some good ideas. I guess what Paul wants is isolationism. That didn't work out so well for Europe in the 1930s.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I believe western ideals are a serious threat to radical Islam because it interferes with their ability to completely control their people.

Civilized human beings would not act as these people do.

Agreed but that is not a reason. Or are you just saying that a bunch of uncivilized people decided to rise up and murder for no apparent reason?

I gave you the reason. What we stand for is a threat to their totalitarian control of their people.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Honesty, what do you think is the real cause of the killings going on in the Middle East?

Is it because of American hatred?

Is it because of Americans religious bigotry?

Is it because of a movie released 1 year ago, or now that it was shown it was released a year ago the claim that it was the trailer released on YouTube? (story changes to fit circumstances)

Is it over the killing of OBL?

If you wish to discuss, a WHY would be nice.

Muslims don't play well with others.

 

[Nole]

I just think it amazing that people not even in power seems to be your scape goat.

oh, its quite clear some here and many on the right think its cute to keep poking this bee's nest of stupidity in the Muslim world. Its beyond obvious, these yahoo's will wait for some right wing wackadoo to burn a book, make a silly movie etc. then go ape shit.


this has been in the making for years, you may not agree but many will.


Its like right wing religious Republicans and hateful Muslims are in a symbiotic dance of sorts. Two rivaling clans of idiots looking to knock each other off.

Its insane but not new.

 

[dblack]

Its like right wing religious Republicans and hateful Muslims are in a symbiotic dance of sorts. Two rivaling clans of idiots looking to knock each other off.

Its insane but not new.

Nope. It's pretty much what's going on. This vid is a bit dated, but still quite relevant and true:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt-FyuuWlWQ]The Power of Nightmares Volume 1 Part 1 of 6 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[OODA_Loop]

oh, its quite clear some here and many on the right think its cute to keep poking this bee's nest of stupidity in the Muslim world. Its beyond obvious, these yahoo's will wait for some right wing wackadoo to burn a book, make a silly movie etc. then go ape shit.

Yes we are just not nice enough to them.

Need to curtail our free speech they dont like.

Be nicer.

Problem = solved.

 

[Freewill]

#14-Anybody but Fox and our RW a-holes, I suppose...

Sorry but there is no link in #14. Can you provide a link to the story where a RW talk show host in, I guess, Libya or Egypt publicized the video as you stated?

 

[Freewill]

I just think it amazing that people not even in power seems to be your scape goat.

oh, its quite clear some here and many on the right think its cute to keep poking this bee's nest of stupidity in the Muslim world. Its beyond obvious, these yahoo's will wait for some right wing wackadoo to burn a book, make a silly movie etc. then go ape shit.


this has been in the making for years, you may not agree but many will.


Its like right wing religious Republicans and hateful Muslims are in a symbiotic dance of sorts. Two rivaling clans of idiots looking to knock each other off.

Its insane but not new.

Are you saying that the motivation behind the movie was religious beliefs and not revenge against religious beliefs? What makes you think that in this case the man is motivated because he is a Republican or a religious zealot?

I was discussing just this instance but in general it is well know that the ME Muslims have offense against the west because of precieved decadence. that idea can be squarly placed on the shoulders of the decadant left. Let there be no doubt.

 

[Nole]

Yes we are just not nice enough to them.

nice. Notice how I said a whole lot about being nice. Im glad you noticed.


you cant and wont redirect this subject matter.


The fact remains, and take notes. Anti Muslim behavior, can and will kill people. You can hold any opinion you like, but when you actively cross a line with ignorance and hatefulness. You are on your own.

I swear, we are dealing with two slightly large groups of people who want to fight. I just wish I could have zero to do with both groups and enjoy my life in peace.

 

[francoHFW]

U.S. intelligence agencies didn't issue high alert about Mideast ...
U.S. intelligence agencies didn - Cached
... that erupted on Tuesday in Libya and Egypt was triggered by an Arabic talk-
show broadcast three days ... In their commentary on the film clips, the hosts of al-
Nas' program alleged the material had been ... Published on September 13, 2012 ...
U.S. agencies didn't issue high alert over Mideast threat | Reuters
www.reuters.com/.../us-protests-warnings-idUSBRE88C1MG20120914 - Cached
1 day ago... officials say they believe an Arabic talk show last Saturday showing parts of ...
U.S. embassies attacked in Yemen, Egypt after Libya envoy killed .... In their
commentary on the film clips, the hosts of al-Nas' program alleged ...

 

[Freewill]

Yes we are just not nice enough to them.

The fact remains, and take notes. Anti Muslim behavior, can and will kill people. You can hold any opinion you like, but when you actively cross a line with ignorance and hatefulness. You are on your own. .

How many people did the making of the movie kill???? I would say NONE.

 

[Mac1958]

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There's not one simple answer, not just one finger to point.

These people essentially have a 17th century mindset animated and exacerbated by their religion. Fine, that's their problem, not mine or ours. But then we stick our nose in their business pretty much everywhere, and -- far worse -- militarily occupy what they consider to be their sacred land and blow the living shit out of half of it so that we can fill up our Escalades and Hummers. Since they don't have jet fighters and rockets to fight us and get us the fuck out of there, they do what they can.

That gives their "leaders" plenty of fuel to preach their hate (funny, I see the same tactic used in America by race pimps, but that's for a different thread) and make a bad situation even worse.

If some Middle Eastern country wanted our coal and parked a few thousand tanks in Dubuque, what would we do?

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Are you repeating the story line of the war for oil? When exactly are we getting that oil? I didn't think we had tanks in Libya nor Egypt. The Iraq war may well have been over oil but it was for the protection not the stealing as I think you are implying. Since the war in Iraq ended about a year ago on the Bush timeline doesn't it seem a bit of a stretch to think that all of a sudden there are riots on 9/11 over that war?

So I guess you reasoning is that they just hate America.

My reasoning is what I said it is: There are multiple elements involved.

One thing we never want to do is put ourselves in the shoes, er, sandals of someone over there who is watching our actions:

1. We have meddled in the political affairs of the Middle East for decades
2. We have meddled in the military affairs of the Middle East for decades
3. We have placed hundreds of thousands of soldiers on their sacred sand
4. We have directly or indirectly been responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands of their innocents, family members, friends
5. We have destroyed countless buildings and structures with our bombs
6. We have occupied their cities with our troops, a constant reminder of our military presence on their sovereign land
7. We have introduced many items and behaviors of Western culture into their devout world
8. By our actions, we have played right into the hands of those there who want to fan the flames

So, two questions:

Would you honestly deny any of the 8 things I have listed above?

Can you understand why, based on the above 8 examples, people there may not think very highly of us?

I don't think those are unreasonable or radical questions.

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[HUGGY]

Let's be honest

I see no difference in the stupidity of the muslims freaking out over a stupid video than the stupid GOPers blaming Obama for any of this. Religion clearly makes people stupid. Obama has consistantly tried to help these people find some semblance of freedom. The muslims are too dumb to sieze the opportunity to govern themselves without screwing the pooch. Obama's only mistake is thinking that any of these people in the ME are reasonable. For the life of me I can't understand why a smart guy like our POTUS has any faith in those idiot muslims. They have NEVER shown that they can get along with ANYONE including themselves.

 

[Nole]

How many people did the making of the movie kill???? I would say NONE.

what are you talking about?

Allow me to escort you to REALITY.

This is not my PHD thesis subject matter by any stretch however, just going back to recent memory we had two mishaps with Koran burnings and people being hurt. One on a US base in Iraq and one idiot in Gainsville, Florida. Then we forward to recent events. Its clear this movie had a biased tone and people took offense. Its simple, actions and reactions. Keep poking at the Muslim who already dislike you and see what happens.

I just want no part of this crap. This is what we get for allowing religion into our politics.

 

[SniperFire]

I just think it amazing that people not even in power seems to be your scape goat.

oh, its quite clear some here and many on the right think its cute to keep poking this bee's nest of stupidity in the Muslim world. Its beyond obvious, these yahoo's will wait for some right wing wackadoo to burn a book, make a silly movie etc. then go ape shit.


this has been in the making for years, you may not agree but many will.


Its like right wing religious Republicans and hateful Muslims are in a symbiotic dance of sorts. Two rivaling clans of idiots looking to knock each other off.

Its insane but not new.

Yes, it has been in the works for about 1400 years, right about the time Muhammed said 'convert or die.'

 

[Freewill]

U.S. intelligence agencies didn't issue high alert about Mideast ...
U.S. intelligence agencies didn - Cached
... that erupted on Tuesday in Libya and Egypt was triggered by an Arabic talk-
show broadcast three days ... In their commentary on the film clips, the hosts of al-
Nas' program alleged the material had been ... Published on September 13, 2012 ...
U.S. agencies didn't issue high alert over Mideast threat | Reuters
www.reuters.com/.../us-protests-warnings-idUSBRE88C1MG20120914 - Cached
1 day ago... officials say they believe an Arabic talk show last Saturday showing parts of ...
U.S. embassies attacked in Yemen, Egypt after Libya envoy killed .... In their
commentary on the film clips, the hosts of al-Nas' program alleged ...

So, according to you, this al-Nas progam is a RW talk show?

 

[SniperFire]

How many people did the making of the movie kill???? I would say NONE.

what are you talking about?

Allow me to escort you to REALITY.

This is not my PHD thesis subject matter by any stretch however, just going back to recent memory we had two mishaps with Koran burnings and people being hurt. One on a US base in Iraq and one idiot in Gainsville, Florida. Then we forward to recent events. Its clear this movie had a biased tone and people took offense. Its simple, actions and reactions. Keep poking at the Muslim who already dislike you and see what happens.

I just want no part of this crap. This is what we get for allowing religion into our politics.

Did the new Batman movie cause people to die?

 

[Nole]

Yes, it has been in the works for about 1400 years, right about the time Muhammed said 'convert or die.'

Are you truly afraid these people will one day show up on your door step and expect you to convert?

seriously.