Let's be honest

[Freewill]

How many people did the making of the movie kill???? I would say NONE.

what are you talking about?

Allow me to escort you to REALITY.

This is not my PHD thesis subject matter by any stretch however, just going back to recent memory we had two mishaps with Koran burnings and people being hurt. One on a US base in Iraq and one idiot in Gainsville, Florida. Then we forward to recent events. Its clear this movie had a biased tone and people took offense. Its simple, actions and reactions. Keep poking at the Muslim who already dislike you and see what happens.

I just want no part of this crap. This is what we get for allowing religion into our politics.

This is what you posted: "The fact remains, and take notes. Anti Muslim behavior, can and will kill people."

Now, how does making a film or saying the wrong thing kill anyone? It can't and does not, over the top reaction to both may. So I guess what you are saying is shut up someone might kill you for saying the wrong thing.

 

[SniperFire]

Yes, it has been in the works for about 1400 years, right about the time Muhammed said 'convert or die.'

Are you truly afraid these people will one day show up on your door step and expect you to convert?

seriously.

Your best is a strawman argument?

LOL

 

[Nole]

Did the new Batman movie cause people to die?

you want an absolute answer when there is not one.

From what I have seen, this movie was a catalyst for some of the violence we have seen.

 

[SniperFire]

Did the new Batman movie cause people to die?

you want an absolute answer when there is not one.

From what I have seen, this movie was a catalyst for some of the violence we have seen.

Can't answer the simple question, asshole?

 

[Freewill]

Let's be honest

I see no difference in the stupidity of the muslims freaking out over a stupid video than the stupid GOPers blaming Obama for any of this. Religion clearly makes people stupid. Obama has consistantly tried to help these people find some semblance of freedom. The muslims are too dumb to sieze the opportunity to govern themselves without screwing the pooch. Obama's only mistake is thinking that any of these people in the ME are reasonable. For the life of me I can't understand why a smart guy like our POTUS has any faith in those idiot muslims. They have NEVER shown that they can get along with ANYONE including themselves.

Where in any of the OP did Obama get blamed? If what you say is his only mistake then I would say that is one really HUGE mistake.

 

[Freewill]

Did the new Batman movie cause people to die?

you want an absolute answer when there is not one.

From what I have seen, this movie was a catalyst for some of the violence we have seen.

So it wasn't the movie that cause people to die, thanks for agreeing.

 

[SniperFire]

Yes we are just not nice enough to them.

nice. Notice how I said a whole lot about being nice. Im glad you noticed.


you cant and wont redirect this subject matter.


The fact remains, and take notes. Anti Muslim behavior, can and will kill people. You can hold any opinion you like, but when you actively cross a line with ignorance and hatefulness. You are on your own.

I swear, we are dealing with two slightly large groups of people who want to fight. I just wish I could have zero to do with both groups and enjoy my life in peace.

Can anti-Caped Crusader behavior kill people?

 

[OODA_Loop]

Yes, it has been in the works for about 1400 years, right about the time Muhammed said 'convert or die.'

Are you truly afraid these people will one day show up on your door step and expect you to convert?

seriously.

Yes it is their doctrine and historical pattern though out time.

It has caused strife in every culture they have tried to establish their doctrine to this day.

 

[Mac1958]

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There's not one simple answer, not just one finger to point.

These people essentially have a 17th century mindset animated and exacerbated by their religion. Fine, that's their problem, not mine or ours. But then we stick our nose in their business pretty much everywhere, and -- far worse -- militarily occupy what they consider to be their sacred land and blow the living shit out of half of it so that we can fill up our Escalades and Hummers. Since they don't have jet fighters and rockets to fight us and get us the fuck out of there, they do what they can.

That gives their "leaders" plenty of fuel to preach their hate (funny, I see the same tactic used in America by race pimps, but that's for a different thread) and make a bad situation even worse.

If some Middle Eastern country wanted our coal and parked a few thousand tanks in Dubuque, what would we do?

.

Are you repeating the story line of the war for oil? When exactly are we getting that oil? I didn't think we had tanks in Libya nor Egypt. The Iraq war may well have been over oil but it was for the protection not the stealing as I think you are implying. Since the war in Iraq ended about a year ago on the Bush timeline doesn't it seem a bit of a stretch to think that all of a sudden there are riots on 9/11 over that war?

So I guess you reasoning is that they just hate America.

My reasoning is what I said it is: There are multiple elements involved.

One thing we never want to do is put ourselves in the shoes, er, sandals of someone over there who is watching our actions:

1. We have meddled in the political affairs of the Middle East for decades
2. We have meddled in the military affairs of the Middle East for decades
3. We have placed hundreds of thousands of soldiers on their sacred sand
4. We have directly or indirectly been responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands of their innocents, family members, friends
5. We have destroyed countless buildings and structures with our bombs
6. We have occupied their cities with our troops, a constant reminder of our military presence on their sovereign land
7. We have introduced many items and behaviors of Western culture into their devout world
8. By our actions, we have played right into the hands of those there who want to fan the flames

So, two questions:

Would you honestly deny any of the 8 things I have listed above?

Can you understand why, based on the above 8 examples, people there may not think very highly of us?

I don't think those are unreasonable or radical questions.

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I would add a third question:

What would you say to someone in the Middle East who asked "precisely what gives America the right to do the above eight things?"

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[OODA_Loop]

The fact remains, and take notes. Anti Muslim behavior, can and will kill people. You can hold any opinion you like, but when you actively cross a line with ignorance and hatefulness. You are on your own.

Just like provocative behavior brings on rape. Don't actively cross the line.

 

[HUGGY]

Let's be honest

I see no difference in the stupidity of the muslims freaking out over a stupid video than the stupid GOPers blaming Obama for any of this. Religion clearly makes people stupid. Obama has consistantly tried to help these people find some semblance of freedom. The muslims are too dumb to sieze the opportunity to govern themselves without screwing the pooch. Obama's only mistake is thinking that any of these people in the ME are reasonable. For the life of me I can't understand why a smart guy like our POTUS has any faith in those idiot muslims. They have NEVER shown that they can get along with ANYONE including themselves.

Where in any of the OP did Obama get blamed? If what you say is his only mistake then I would say that is one really HUGE mistake.

I didn't include the whole OP quote for a reason. That is so you would know my comment was not directed at the OP. We have an option to reply with quote or just reply.

 

[Nole]

So I guess what you are saying is shut up someone might kill you for saying the wrong thing.

yes, cause it makes common sense to make a anti Muslim film...

 

[SniperFire]

The fact remains, and take notes. Anti Muslim behavior, can and will kill people. You can hold any opinion you like, but when you actively cross a line with ignorance and hatefulness. You are on your own.

Just like provocative behavior brings on rape.

'Noles' would argue that the bitch was just asking for it.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Use your brains people. The movie was an excuse not a reason.

 

[gkjpalmer]

Got oil?

 

[Freewill]

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There's not one simple answer, not just one finger to point.

These people essentially have a 17th century mindset animated and exacerbated by their religion. Fine, that's their problem, not mine or ours. But then we stick our nose in their business pretty much everywhere, and -- far worse -- militarily occupy what they consider to be their sacred land and blow the living shit out of half of it so that we can fill up our Escalades and Hummers. Since they don't have jet fighters and rockets to fight us and get us the fuck out of there, they do what they can.

That gives their "leaders" plenty of fuel to preach their hate (funny, I see the same tactic used in America by race pimps, but that's for a different thread) and make a bad situation even worse.

If some Middle Eastern country wanted our coal and parked a few thousand tanks in Dubuque, what would we do?

.

Are you repeating the story line of the war for oil? When exactly are we getting that oil? I didn't think we had tanks in Libya nor Egypt. The Iraq war may well have been over oil but it was for the protection not the stealing as I think you are implying. Since the war in Iraq ended about a year ago on the Bush timeline doesn't it seem a bit of a stretch to think that all of a sudden there are riots on 9/11 over that war?

So I guess you reasoning is that they just hate America.

My reasoning is what I said it is: There are multiple elements involved.

One thing we never want to do is put ourselves in the shoes, er, sandals of someone over there who is watching our actions:

1. We have meddled in the political affairs of the Middle East for decades
2. We have meddled in the military affairs of the Middle East for decades
3. We have placed hundreds of thousands of soldiers on their sacred sand
4. We have directly or indirectly been responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands of their innocents, family members, friends
5. We have destroyed countless buildings and structures with our bombs
6. We have occupied their cities with our troops, a constant reminder of our military presence on their sovereign land
7. We have introduced many items and behaviors of Western culture into their devout world
8. By our actions, we have played right into the hands of those there who want to fan the flames

So, two questions:

Would you honestly deny any of the 8 things I have listed above?

Can you understand why, based on the above 8 examples, people there may not think very highly of us?

I don't think those are unreasonable or radical questions.

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Don't know if you really care but I will return later to post a response to your post. You spent some time in writing it, it deserves response. But I have an appointment, later.

 

[Mac1958]

Are you repeating the story line of the war for oil? When exactly are we getting that oil? I didn't think we had tanks in Libya nor Egypt. The Iraq war may well have been over oil but it was for the protection not the stealing as I think you are implying. Since the war in Iraq ended about a year ago on the Bush timeline doesn't it seem a bit of a stretch to think that all of a sudden there are riots on 9/11 over that war?

So I guess you reasoning is that they just hate America.

My reasoning is what I said it is: There are multiple elements involved.

One thing we never want to do is put ourselves in the shoes, er, sandals of someone over there who is watching our actions:

1. We have meddled in the political affairs of the Middle East for decades
2. We have meddled in the military affairs of the Middle East for decades
3. We have placed hundreds of thousands of soldiers on their sacred sand
4. We have directly or indirectly been responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands of their innocents, family members, friends
5. We have destroyed countless buildings and structures with our bombs
6. We have occupied their cities with our troops, a constant reminder of our military presence on their sovereign land
7. We have introduced many items and behaviors of Western culture into their devout world
8. By our actions, we have played right into the hands of those there who want to fan the flames

So, two questions:

Would you honestly deny any of the 8 things I have listed above?

Can you understand why, based on the above 8 examples, people there may not think very highly of us?

I don't think those are unreasonable or radical questions.

.

Don't know if you really care but I will return later to post a response to your post. You spent some time in writing it, it deserves response. But I have an appointment, later.

Excellent, thanks.

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[OODA_Loop]

1. We have meddled in the political affairs of the Middle East for decades
2. We have meddled in the military affairs of the Middle East for decades
3. We have placed hundreds of thousands of soldiers on their sacred sand
4. We have directly or indirectly been responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands of their innocents, family members, friends
5. We have destroyed countless buildings and structures with our bombs
6. We have occupied their cities with our troops, a constant reminder of our military presence on their sovereign land
7. We have introduced many items and behaviors of Western culture into their devout world
8. By our actions, we have played right into the hands of those there who want to fan the flames

What would you say to someone in the Middle East who asked "precisely what gives America the right to do the above eight things?"

The free world has shown repeatedly it will spank your ass.

Evolve with the times like the rest of the world's religions and take your foot off of freedom.

 

[Mac1958]

1. We have meddled in the political affairs of the Middle East for decades
2. We have meddled in the military affairs of the Middle East for decades
3. We have placed hundreds of thousands of soldiers on their sacred sand
4. We have directly or indirectly been responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands of their innocents, family members, friends
5. We have destroyed countless buildings and structures with our bombs
6. We have occupied their cities with our troops, a constant reminder of our military presence on their sovereign land
7. We have introduced many items and behaviors of Western culture into their devout world
8. By our actions, we have played right into the hands of those there who want to fan the flames

What would you say to someone in the Middle East who asked "precisely what gives America the right to do the above eight things?"

The free world has shown repeatedly it will spank your ass.

Evolve with the times like the rest of the world's religions and take your foot off of freedom.

So the eight things I listed are all justified because we demand that they "evolve with the times like the rest of the world's religions and take (their) foot off of freedom"?

That's it?

Can you understand why that might make some folks over there a little cranky?

.

 

[Sinjorri]

Yes we are just not nice enough to them.

nice. Notice how I said a whole lot about being nice. Im glad you noticed.


you cant and wont redirect this subject matter.


The fact remains, and take notes. Anti Muslim behavior, can and will kill people. You can hold any opinion you like, but when you actively cross a line with ignorance and hatefulness. You are on your own.

I swear, we are dealing with two slightly large groups of people who want to fight. I just wish I could have zero to do with both groups and enjoy my life in peace.

there are islands and the artic, talk to some corps for a free plane ride out of here. in fact I think this board and your mouth should get together and if we can hold a donation in your honor, to get you a plane ticket to your choice out of america on the agreement you dont return, than you can bad mouth this place all you want.