Lets apologize

[Zona]

Where is Obama apologizing? What exactly do you find wrong with this? Partisan hack much?

This question is rhetorical....no matter what he does..NO MATTER WHAT...they will say its wrong...NO MATTER WHAT.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Where is Obama apologizing? What exactly do you find wrong with this? Partisan hack much?

This question is rhetorical....no matter what he does..NO MATTER WHAT...they will say its wrong...NO MATTER WHAT.

I guess you completely ignored mine, and a couple o' other con's post up here, eh Zona?

Typical lib!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

That is because he was taught that America is always wrong since he was first in school, and has never even attempted to overcome the conditioning.

What a moronic comment above. The mind that produces it cannot objectively, rationally, critically evaluate evidence. Absolutely stunning, just stunning.

Want to give us some evidence for your statement, QWB? And, please, your opinion is not evidence.

Neither is yours, the difference is I know that about myself, and you do not.

 

[JakeStarkey]

QWB has nothing to offer other than he hates the president.

 

[Douger]

Sorry dude but sending a representative to the anniversary or whatever exactly it is who isn't even scheduled to speak is not apologizing.

Appearance wise it is. As I explained in my follow on post. That site is simply a means a attack the US. Always has been.

As a senior in high school, I had a Japanese exchange student , in 1997 I visited her and her family in Japan, the Japanese people are very much a shame culture and are VERY ashamed of the actions of their ancestors, they are in noway like the Muslims who blame their bad behavior on others, they don't bash the US for dropping the bomb.

That's exactly right. I did business with them for years. They are humble and realize they were ruled by an idiocracy, just like you currently are.
I wonder how murkins will react when a few of your cities go up in smoke ?
My bet is a different reaction completely.

 

[Article 15]

That is because he was taught that America is always wrong since he was first in school, and has never even attempted to overcome the conditioning.

Pure nonsense.

 

[HUGGY]

We had no choice, it was either use the bombs or invade, an invasion would probably seen millions of dead Japanese soldiers and civilians. It took 2 bombs to convince the Emperor to surrender. And even then his Army tried to stage a coup to prevent it.

U.S., allies to send first delegation to Hiroshima memorial - Yahoo! News

This President is an idiot.

Your ignorant lack of grace is mind numbing.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Just put phrase through google, this came up:

U.S. Delegation will not offer apology at Hiroshima Ceremony - CafeMom

The U.S. delegation will not offer an apology for dropping atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki when it attends a ceremony in Japan on Friday marking the 65th anniversary of the attacks, which brought World War II to an end.

State Department spokesman Noel Clay said no apology will be offered by the delegation, to be led by U.S. Ambassador John Roos, at the ceremony in Hiroshima.

Once again, RGS talking out of his ass.

Already addressed that retard. Just showing up is an apology all by itself. Ohh and I won't be linking anything from the Holocausts site as this is my opinion and won't change.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

For the record, neither nuking Japan nor an invasion of Japan was necessary to end the war.

Good point. We could have surrendered. That would have ended the war immediately.

Kennedy is an idiot, as anyone else that claims Japan intended to surrender. I have a link to source documents that clearly show all the Japanese offered before the first bomb was for a cessation of hostilities with a return from both sides of land captured after Dec 7 1941.

Further those documents clearly show that the Army lead Military Government and the Emperor refused to surrender after the first bomb, instead making demands for terms. Only after the second bomb did the Emperor OVERRULE the Army which STILL refused to surrender. And even then the Army staged a coup to steal the tape of the Emperor making the announcement. Fortunately for Japan the Coup failed.

As to the spurious claim that neither site was a military target... both were Headquarters of Army Groups gearing up for the coming Invasion, both were production facilities, both I believe are ports ( could be wrong haven't looked at a map. You don't want your cities bombed in war time, don't put any of those things IN the city.

As for dead, we killed many more fire bombing Tokyo.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

For the record, neither nuking Japan nor an invasion of Japan was necessary to end the war.

Good point. We could have surrendered. That would have ended the war immediately.

Japan was willing to end hostilities before we dropped the bomb.

"I was against it on two counts. First, the Japanese were ready to surrender, and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing. Second, I hated to see our country be the first to use such a weapon." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

Eisenhower was wrong and the only thing you got right is, YES Japan wanted the war to stop, in place with an exchange of property seized since Dec 7 1941.

The Atomic Bomb and the End of World War II: A Collection of Primary Sources

Dumb ass.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Is that what you call an excuse? The end justifies the means...? Pathetic!!!

1. If you were alive at the time, you were nothing more than a kid!!! Don't act like you were there!!!

2. We successfully drop a second bomb; this means that we had air supremacy; we could had drop a "warning bomb", just outside of Hiroshima for the emperor to see.

3. It was dropped on civilians, not on a REAL military target. You saw how we were angered at the idea of our civilians being killed. We only lost +3000 at 9/11, they lost 70,000.

I support any President Obama's willingness to admit that the decision as to where to drop the bomb was ill advised. However, as always with you conservatives, I still don't see in your link, a quote from President Obama supporting your claim. I don't see a quote from him offering an official apology. Figures start to lie when liars start to figure

President Obama is smart enough to understand the idea of apologizing for the way an action was carried out versus apologizing for why the action was carried out.

You could understand if you would care to listen; but before you can listen, you must dig the poop out of your ears; but before you you dig the poop out of your ears, you must first pull your head out of your a...

Food for thought.

It was very much dropped on a "real" military target. Hiroshima was an industrial city manufacturing military assests. The PEOPLE making them were the enemy, just as much as the soldiers using the weapons that they were making. There were several army headquarters there and it was a supply shipping hub. It was a HUGE military target.

Carry on with your re-writing history.

So if Japan or Germany had bombed Detroit that would have simply been a military target, right?

As a matter of fact yes.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

For the record, neither nuking Japan nor an invasion of Japan was necessary to end the war.

Quite true. I just believe that the alternative would have been worse, and we would probably still be in a state of war with them, just like we are with North Korea.

I find that unlikely since they were willing to surrender, which North Korea never did.

RETARD ALERT. They never offered to surrender. All they offered was a cessation of Hostilities. They would give back the land they seized since Dec 7 1941 and we would do the same. You are a retard. Even after the first bomb they REFUSED to surrender and after the second one the Army staged a Coup against the Emperor, a living God according to them, to stop the surrender. Want me to link to the SOURCE documents AGAIN?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

My wife is from Okinawa so obviously she's Japanese. Her grandmother and grandfather were at Hiroshima the day it was bombed.

Her grandfather was too small to join the Japanese Army (imagine that) so he worked as an engineer for the government. He actually had a hand in designing some of the suicide planes. As an aircraft nut, he and I had some interesting conversations, limited by my poor Japanese and his Okinawan dialect. My wife translated for us most of the time. He said the F6F Hellcat turned the tide in the Pacific as most war buffs would agree.

The week of the bombing he and his wife attended a meeting in Hiroshima. The day of the bombing he fell sick and stayed at the little apartment on the outskirts of the city. His wife saw the B-29 fly over and witnessed the mushroom cloud.

The next day he walked into the city and said "It was hell on hearth". But he also said this: "America had to do it. Japan was under Military rule and was never going to surrender". He never showed any animosity toward Americans and in fact, encouraged his grand daughters to marry Americans and move to America.

Whenever I hear people talk about how terrible America was for dropping the bomb I tell them this story. I have a few pictures of him I'll post later if I can find them.

Except they were going to surrender.

LIAR. once again for the slow all they offered was a cessation of Hostilities. They would give back what they still had seized since Dec 7 1941 and we would do the same. Even after the first bomb they refused to surrender, making demands. After the second the Army staged a Coup to thwart their living God Emperor to keep from surrendering.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Except they were going to surrender.

No, they were not going to surrender.

Actually they were. They were reaching out to the Soviet Union after Germany surrendered because they didn't want the Soviets to turn their attention towards Japan.

I have the source documents, all the offered to discuss was a cessation of hostilities with an exchange of still controlled property and land seized since Dec 7 1941. You have been provided the link several times in the past.

The Atomic Bomb and the End of World War II: A Collection of Primary Sources

 

[Article 15]

The Allies made it clear that they would only accept an unconditional surrender. That policy is what forced the issue and made the nuclear bombings, "necessary." Without the strict unconditional surrender policy the bombings wouldn't have been, "necessary."

 

[xotoxi]

I'd love to hear those who call the US racist for dropping the bombs on Japan, considering we planned using an atomic bomb on Germany if the Battle of the Bulge had failed.

I agree. Anyone who thinks that America is racist for bombing a country against whom we were at war, should be exposed to nuclear waste.

 

[Article 15]

I'd love to hear those who call the US racist for dropping the bombs on Japan, considering we planned using an atomic bomb on Germany if the Battle of the Bulge had failed.

I agree. Anyone who thinks that America is racist for bombing a country against whom we were at war, should be exposed to nuclear waste.

Agreed.

Internments camps were the true display of America's racism during WWII.

 

[Samson]

I'd love to hear those who call the US racist for dropping the bombs on Japan, considering we planned using an atomic bomb on Germany if the Battle of the Bulge had failed.

I agree. Anyone who thinks that America is racist for bombing a country against whom we were at war, should be exposed to nuclear waste.

Americans hated the British Race, and that's really what caused the revolution.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The Allies made it clear that they would only accept an unconditional surrender. That policy is what forced the issue and made the nuclear bombings, "necessary." Without the strict unconditional surrender policy the bombings wouldn't have been, "necessary."

History proves that incorrect. The Army controlled the Government and were more then willing to die to the last man rather then surrender. Their defense plan was to command all civilians to equip themselves with bamboo spears and human wave attack any invasion site until all the civilians were dead or the invaders were driven back into the sea.

After months of fire bombing which crippled their industry and killed over a million civilians they were prepared to issue the above orders. KNOWING they could not feed the population or provide adequate fuel sources for winter they REFUSED to surrender.

After one Atomic Bomb the Army refused to surrender demanding ridiculous terms. After a second they still refused and were over ruled by the Emperor. The Army staged a Coup to seize the tape of the surrender, fortunately for the Japanese people that Coup failed.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I'd love to hear those who call the US racist for dropping the bombs on Japan, considering we planned using an atomic bomb on Germany if the Battle of the Bulge had failed.

I agree. Anyone who thinks that America is racist for bombing a country against whom we were at war, should be exposed to nuclear waste.

Agreed.

Internments camps were the true display of America's racism during WWII.

You are aware that the US all interned thousands of Germans and held some until 1946?