Let me tell you about my Windows 10 pain today....

[Moonglow]

New problems....the scan part of the printer will not scan to PDF...if I scan using the printer interface it says "connection to PC is lost":...but of course it isn't lost. If I use the worthless M$ scan program it only scans as low res jpgs...not acceptable. So I again I am hunting around forums...yup...all kinds of people having the same problem...HP website...no help....
And this is an improvement?

I had that problem, on Vista with a HP printer, I had manually run the printer to get the computer to recognize the computer..

 

[Ringel05]

You missed the point but that's expected. He did mention the hardware wasn't that old, I mean come on, what does M$ consider old? Four years? Two years? Six months?

What about my last point?

It's not applicable, it's a stretch.

It is simply bad luck. My PC gets blackscreens in Windows 10. I can´t use it at all. But I am not burning the Microsoft HQ. You see many problems on forums and other platforms but you so no one creating a threat "My printer works fine." For 99,9% it is fine.

Does Putin own Microsoft now? Your defense of M$ would indicate as much.......

I just provided you with a new point of view. Up to you what you do with it.

I'll repeat myself; I'm not anti Windows (I use Win 10) but I am anti Microsoft. Why? Because Microsoft sucks.

 

[Bleipriester]

Driver...pheh...isn't it amazing that "drivers" 20 years ago were only 20-30 lines of text. If you had a device with numerous capabilities and options...gee...the "driver" might be a whopping 100 lines of text.
That is all a computer really needs.
Example..
"Hey I am a printer, using USB on port 4. My max paper is AxB, I can print from 200 to 1200 lpi, I have 3 drawers...etc. etc."
Linux "drivers" are still small.
Windows "drivers" can even be as large as 100 MB....ludicrous.
Especially something as simple as a printer. The computer only needs very basic info to use it.

It is because of the increased functionality and because there are driver-packages that include drivers for several devices. Also, control software is included.

 

[Bleipriester]

What about my last point?

It's not applicable, it's a stretch.

It is simply bad luck. My PC gets blackscreens in Windows 10. I can´t use it at all. But I am not burning the Microsoft HQ. You see many problems on forums and other platforms but you so no one creating a threat "My printer works fine." For 99,9% it is fine.

Does Putin own Microsoft now? Your defense of M$ would indicate as much.......

I just provided you with a new point of view. Up to you what you do with it.

I'll repeat myself; I'm not anti Windows (I use Win 10) but I am anti Microsoft. Why? Because Microsoft sucks.

And I don´t understand it. The fact that Microsoft didn´t monopolize the PC platform but made it competitive and finally the leading platform, is often ignored. Other platforms, Apple, Atari, Amiga, Comodore didn´t allow a third party OS at all. This is where IBM was different and why we still have this IBM computers. Because this platform is open to any hard- and software.

 

[Ringel05]

It's not applicable, it's a stretch.

It is simply bad luck. My PC gets blackscreens in Windows 10. I can´t use it at all. But I am not burning the Microsoft HQ. You see many problems on forums and other platforms but you so no one creating a threat "My printer works fine." For 99,9% it is fine.

Does Putin own Microsoft now? Your defense of M$ would indicate as much.......

I just provided you with a new point of view. Up to you what you do with it.

I'll repeat myself; I'm not anti Windows (I use Win 10) but I am anti Microsoft. Why? Because Microsoft sucks.

And I don´t understand it. The fact that Microsoft didn´t monopolize the PC platform but made it competitive and finally the leading platform, is often ignored. Other platforms, Apple, Atari, Amiga, Comodore didn´t allow a third party OS at all. This is where IBM was different and why we still have this IBM computers. Because this platform is open to any hard- and software.

The point is Microsoft (over the last decade) has been trying to change the playing field, new software but oh, ya have to update all your drivers or buy new hardware that is compatible with the new OS. While I'm not a Linux fanatic they at least try to include drivers for as many new and old hardware configurations as possible, both legally and practically.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

...at the office at some point we had a power outage and one of the office PC's decided it didn't want to work anymore...nothing...mother board doesn't even post...
So I ran out and bought a new PC...grudgingly knowing it would be Win 10...the first one in the building.

Powered up...set up her credentials...wait...no internet...what the...it sees the network...but no WAN or LAN.
So I run the useless troubleshooting as admin..."missing or corrupt IP protocol settings"...excuse me, but you do know that the "P" in "I.P." stands for protocol?? Your saying the internet protocol protocol settings is missing...gee that tells me a lot!! ... not...so I spend at least 30 minutes browsing forums...looking at Microsoft forums...tried everything...nothing. But wait...I find this one guy that said this happened to him and like me the cable is connected fine...all he did was pull out the ethernet cable WHILE THE COMPUTER IS OFF...and restart...and plug it up after it is back up....I did it...yep...works. WTF???
Now the printer...won't work. It is a HP Officejet 6600...only maybe 2 years old max...it installs the printer, in the devices it says working...shows up in the available printers...but neither firefox or IE sees it....what the...so again I am perusing forums...looking at HP troubleshooting...trying 1000 things...nothing.
AUUUUUUGH!!!!!!....but wait...found one guy who had the same problem...come to find out some composite USB devices just flat out don't work with Windows 10...it is supposed to...some devices work on some Win 10 computers, but strangely will not work on others.
Hilariously as it is...if I take the same printer...hook it up to a Win 7 box, share it...I can print to it. Oh the Irony.
So...now Office...enter credentials..."there is a problem with your account"...WTF does that mean? I call Microsoft # on the multi license tag..."hmm everything looks fine:..they give me a different number that should work...nope...so f*ck it...I installed Open office.
Installing Acrobat Reader because the joke PDF reader that comes with Windows has zero features...wait...what??? I have to enter a Microsoft ID to install this??? Fuuuu....ok fine...set this all up...installed...what do I have to reboot for??/...wait...what the...it changed the user credentials I set up to the long ass email I set the Microsoft account user as...now...I don't want that!!!!!

FML... M$ sucks!!!!!!!

God this remind me of the days of VISTA!

I am still on Windows 7 and refuse to buy a new system!

 

[Bleipriester]

It is simply bad luck. My PC gets blackscreens in Windows 10. I can´t use it at all. But I am not burning the Microsoft HQ. You see many problems on forums and other platforms but you so no one creating a threat "My printer works fine." For 99,9% it is fine.

Does Putin own Microsoft now? Your defense of M$ would indicate as much.......

I just provided you with a new point of view. Up to you what you do with it.

I'll repeat myself; I'm not anti Windows (I use Win 10) but I am anti Microsoft. Why? Because Microsoft sucks.

And I don´t understand it. The fact that Microsoft didn´t monopolize the PC platform but made it competitive and finally the leading platform, is often ignored. Other platforms, Apple, Atari, Amiga, Comodore didn´t allow a third party OS at all. This is where IBM was different and why we still have this IBM computers. Because this platform is open to any hard- and software.

The point is Microsoft (over the last decade) has been trying to change the playing field, new software but oh, ya have to update all your drivers or buy new hardware that is compatible with the new OS. While I'm not a Linux fanatic they at least try to include drivers for as many new and old hardware configurations as possible, both legally and practically.

True. Microsoft has been criticized because they ban older operating systems through limiting their capabilities to adopt newer techniques or programs. The newest example is DirectX 12 which is Windows 10 exclusive. I don´t like that but MS is a profit-oriented company and by all means forces nobody to use the most recent version of Windows although the obtrusiveness of Windows 10 was critical. Other companies do worse things and aren´t criticized.
The Linux environment on the other hand struggles with a low marketshare which is even split into many distributions.

 

[Ringel05]

Does Putin own Microsoft now? Your defense of M$ would indicate as much.......

I just provided you with a new point of view. Up to you what you do with it.

I'll repeat myself; I'm not anti Windows (I use Win 10) but I am anti Microsoft. Why? Because Microsoft sucks.

And I don´t understand it. The fact that Microsoft didn´t monopolize the PC platform but made it competitive and finally the leading platform, is often ignored. Other platforms, Apple, Atari, Amiga, Comodore didn´t allow a third party OS at all. This is where IBM was different and why we still have this IBM computers. Because this platform is open to any hard- and software.

The point is Microsoft (over the last decade) has been trying to change the playing field, new software but oh, ya have to update all your drivers or buy new hardware that is compatible with the new OS. While I'm not a Linux fanatic they at least try to include drivers for as many new and old hardware configurations as possible, both legally and practically.

True. Microsoft has been criticized because they ban older operating systems through limiting their capabilities to adopt newer techniques or programs. The newest example is DirectX 12 which is Windows 10 exclusive. I don´t like that but MS is a profit-oriented company and by all means forces nobody to use the most recent version of Windows although the obtrusiveness of Windows 10 was critical. Other companies do worse things and aren´t criticized.
The Linux environment on the other hand struggles with a low marketshare which is even split into many distributions.

Like I said I'm not a Linux fanatic but the only reason I haven't made the switch over from Windows is game availability but that is changing rapidly, so is the market share particularly with Ubuntu and Mint. Both are the most user friendly and most used Linux distros, only the purists and those who like to play with different distros worry about the rest. I did predict it would be at least 10 years before Linux reached the level it is today, just in a couple of years, it's possible gaming for Linux will reach if not surpass Windows within five more years. When that happens I'll dump Windows.

 

[Bleipriester]

I just provided you with a new point of view. Up to you what you do with it.

I'll repeat myself; I'm not anti Windows (I use Win 10) but I am anti Microsoft. Why? Because Microsoft sucks.

And I don´t understand it. The fact that Microsoft didn´t monopolize the PC platform but made it competitive and finally the leading platform, is often ignored. Other platforms, Apple, Atari, Amiga, Comodore didn´t allow a third party OS at all. This is where IBM was different and why we still have this IBM computers. Because this platform is open to any hard- and software.

The point is Microsoft (over the last decade) has been trying to change the playing field, new software but oh, ya have to update all your drivers or buy new hardware that is compatible with the new OS. While I'm not a Linux fanatic they at least try to include drivers for as many new and old hardware configurations as possible, both legally and practically.

True. Microsoft has been criticized because they ban older operating systems through limiting their capabilities to adopt newer techniques or programs. The newest example is DirectX 12 which is Windows 10 exclusive. I don´t like that but MS is a profit-oriented company and by all means forces nobody to use the most recent version of Windows although the obtrusiveness of Windows 10 was critical. Other companies do worse things and aren´t criticized.
The Linux environment on the other hand struggles with a low marketshare which is even split into many distributions.

Like I said I'm not a Linux fanatic but the only reason I haven't made the switch over from Windows is game availability but that is changing rapidly, so is the market share particularly with Ubuntu and Mint. Both are the most user friendly and most used Linux distros, only the purists and those who like to play with different distros worry about the rest. I did predict it would be at least 10 years before Linux reached the level it is today, just in a couple of years, it's possible gaming for Linux will reach if not surpass Windows within five more years. When that happens I'll dump Windows.

It is far from happening. There´s a doom-loop. More users and more hard- and software support both require the other to be accomplished. Go fifteen years back, when Linux could be found in stores and was even more professional and sophisticated than it is today. It could have been a gaming platform but this never happened. Nothing has changed. Valve launched Steam for Linux only because it was angry when Microsoft introduced its own software store in Windows 8.

 

[Ringel05]

I'll repeat myself; I'm not anti Windows (I use Win 10) but I am anti Microsoft. Why? Because Microsoft sucks.

And I don´t understand it. The fact that Microsoft didn´t monopolize the PC platform but made it competitive and finally the leading platform, is often ignored. Other platforms, Apple, Atari, Amiga, Comodore didn´t allow a third party OS at all. This is where IBM was different and why we still have this IBM computers. Because this platform is open to any hard- and software.

The point is Microsoft (over the last decade) has been trying to change the playing field, new software but oh, ya have to update all your drivers or buy new hardware that is compatible with the new OS. While I'm not a Linux fanatic they at least try to include drivers for as many new and old hardware configurations as possible, both legally and practically.

True. Microsoft has been criticized because they ban older operating systems through limiting their capabilities to adopt newer techniques or programs. The newest example is DirectX 12 which is Windows 10 exclusive. I don´t like that but MS is a profit-oriented company and by all means forces nobody to use the most recent version of Windows although the obtrusiveness of Windows 10 was critical. Other companies do worse things and aren´t criticized.
The Linux environment on the other hand struggles with a low marketshare which is even split into many distributions.

Like I said I'm not a Linux fanatic but the only reason I haven't made the switch over from Windows is game availability but that is changing rapidly, so is the market share particularly with Ubuntu and Mint. Both are the most user friendly and most used Linux distros, only the purists and those who like to play with different distros worry about the rest. I did predict it would be at least 10 years before Linux reached the level it is today, just in a couple of years, it's possible gaming for Linux will reach if not surpass Windows within five more years. When that happens I'll dump Windows.

It is far from happening. There´s a doom-loop. More users and more hard- and software support both require the other to be accomplished. Go fifteen years back, when Linux could be found in stores and was even more professional and sophisticated than it is today. It could have been a gaming platform but this never happened. Nothing has changed. Valve launched Steam for Linux only because it was angry when Microsoft introduced its own software store in Windows 8.

Funny but all the IT experts disagree with you.

 

[Bleipriester]

And I don´t understand it. The fact that Microsoft didn´t monopolize the PC platform but made it competitive and finally the leading platform, is often ignored. Other platforms, Apple, Atari, Amiga, Comodore didn´t allow a third party OS at all. This is where IBM was different and why we still have this IBM computers. Because this platform is open to any hard- and software.

The point is Microsoft (over the last decade) has been trying to change the playing field, new software but oh, ya have to update all your drivers or buy new hardware that is compatible with the new OS. While I'm not a Linux fanatic they at least try to include drivers for as many new and old hardware configurations as possible, both legally and practically.

True. Microsoft has been criticized because they ban older operating systems through limiting their capabilities to adopt newer techniques or programs. The newest example is DirectX 12 which is Windows 10 exclusive. I don´t like that but MS is a profit-oriented company and by all means forces nobody to use the most recent version of Windows although the obtrusiveness of Windows 10 was critical. Other companies do worse things and aren´t criticized.
The Linux environment on the other hand struggles with a low marketshare which is even split into many distributions.

Like I said I'm not a Linux fanatic but the only reason I haven't made the switch over from Windows is game availability but that is changing rapidly, so is the market share particularly with Ubuntu and Mint. Both are the most user friendly and most used Linux distros, only the purists and those who like to play with different distros worry about the rest. I did predict it would be at least 10 years before Linux reached the level it is today, just in a couple of years, it's possible gaming for Linux will reach if not surpass Windows within five more years. When that happens I'll dump Windows.

It is far from happening. There´s a doom-loop. More users and more hard- and software support both require the other to be accomplished. Go fifteen years back, when Linux could be found in stores and was even more professional and sophisticated than it is today. It could have been a gaming platform but this never happened. Nothing has changed. Valve launched Steam for Linux only because it was angry when Microsoft introduced its own software store in Windows 8.

Funny but all the IT experts disagree with you.

Have a look.

 

[Ringel05]

The point is Microsoft (over the last decade) has been trying to change the playing field, new software but oh, ya have to update all your drivers or buy new hardware that is compatible with the new OS. While I'm not a Linux fanatic they at least try to include drivers for as many new and old hardware configurations as possible, both legally and practically.

True. Microsoft has been criticized because they ban older operating systems through limiting their capabilities to adopt newer techniques or programs. The newest example is DirectX 12 which is Windows 10 exclusive. I don´t like that but MS is a profit-oriented company and by all means forces nobody to use the most recent version of Windows although the obtrusiveness of Windows 10 was critical. Other companies do worse things and aren´t criticized.
The Linux environment on the other hand struggles with a low marketshare which is even split into many distributions.

Like I said I'm not a Linux fanatic but the only reason I haven't made the switch over from Windows is game availability but that is changing rapidly, so is the market share particularly with Ubuntu and Mint. Both are the most user friendly and most used Linux distros, only the purists and those who like to play with different distros worry about the rest. I did predict it would be at least 10 years before Linux reached the level it is today, just in a couple of years, it's possible gaming for Linux will reach if not surpass Windows within five more years. When that happens I'll dump Windows.

It is far from happening. There´s a doom-loop. More users and more hard- and software support both require the other to be accomplished. Go fifteen years back, when Linux could be found in stores and was even more professional and sophisticated than it is today. It could have been a gaming platform but this never happened. Nothing has changed. Valve launched Steam for Linux only because it was angry when Microsoft introduced its own software store in Windows 8.

Funny but all the IT experts disagree with you.

Have a look.

Oh look, two random graphs........ looks like it's keeping pace with OS X
I didn't say it was taking over for Windows in total I said it was growing and gaming is expanding to include major game producers, yes all thanks to Steam.

Don't worry, Linux may never take over for Windows and M$ will continue to send you checks to shill for them.

 

[Bleipriester]

True. Microsoft has been criticized because they ban older operating systems through limiting their capabilities to adopt newer techniques or programs. The newest example is DirectX 12 which is Windows 10 exclusive. I don´t like that but MS is a profit-oriented company and by all means forces nobody to use the most recent version of Windows although the obtrusiveness of Windows 10 was critical. Other companies do worse things and aren´t criticized.
The Linux environment on the other hand struggles with a low marketshare which is even split into many distributions.

Like I said I'm not a Linux fanatic but the only reason I haven't made the switch over from Windows is game availability but that is changing rapidly, so is the market share particularly with Ubuntu and Mint. Both are the most user friendly and most used Linux distros, only the purists and those who like to play with different distros worry about the rest. I did predict it would be at least 10 years before Linux reached the level it is today, just in a couple of years, it's possible gaming for Linux will reach if not surpass Windows within five more years. When that happens I'll dump Windows.

It is far from happening. There´s a doom-loop. More users and more hard- and software support both require the other to be accomplished. Go fifteen years back, when Linux could be found in stores and was even more professional and sophisticated than it is today. It could have been a gaming platform but this never happened. Nothing has changed. Valve launched Steam for Linux only because it was angry when Microsoft introduced its own software store in Windows 8.

Funny but all the IT experts disagree with you.

Have a look.

Oh look, two random graphs........ looks like it's keeping pace with OS X
I didn't say it was taking over for Windows in total I said it was growing and gaming is expanding to include major game producers, yes all thanks to Steam.

Don't worry, Linux may never take over for Windows and M$ will continue to send you checks to shill for them.

Not only the low user share matters but how many of those Linux users are actually gamers?

 

[Ringel05]

Like I said I'm not a Linux fanatic but the only reason I haven't made the switch over from Windows is game availability but that is changing rapidly, so is the market share particularly with Ubuntu and Mint. Both are the most user friendly and most used Linux distros, only the purists and those who like to play with different distros worry about the rest. I did predict it would be at least 10 years before Linux reached the level it is today, just in a couple of years, it's possible gaming for Linux will reach if not surpass Windows within five more years. When that happens I'll dump Windows.

It is far from happening. There´s a doom-loop. More users and more hard- and software support both require the other to be accomplished. Go fifteen years back, when Linux could be found in stores and was even more professional and sophisticated than it is today. It could have been a gaming platform but this never happened. Nothing has changed. Valve launched Steam for Linux only because it was angry when Microsoft introduced its own software store in Windows 8.

Funny but all the IT experts disagree with you.

Have a look.

Oh look, two random graphs........ looks like it's keeping pace with OS X
I didn't say it was taking over for Windows in total I said it was growing and gaming is expanding to include major game producers, yes all thanks to Steam.

Don't worry, Linux may never take over for Windows and M$ will continue to send you checks to shill for them.

Not only the low user share matters but how many of those Linux users are actually gamers?

Splitting hairs or grasping at straws? Which one?

 

[Bleipriester]

It is far from happening. There´s a doom-loop. More users and more hard- and software support both require the other to be accomplished. Go fifteen years back, when Linux could be found in stores and was even more professional and sophisticated than it is today. It could have been a gaming platform but this never happened. Nothing has changed. Valve launched Steam for Linux only because it was angry when Microsoft introduced its own software store in Windows 8.

Funny but all the IT experts disagree with you.

Have a look.

Oh look, two random graphs........ looks like it's keeping pace with OS X
I didn't say it was taking over for Windows in total I said it was growing and gaming is expanding to include major game producers, yes all thanks to Steam.

Don't worry, Linux may never take over for Windows and M$ will continue to send you checks to shill for them.

Not only the low user share matters but how many of those Linux users are actually gamers?

Splitting hairs or grasping at straws? Which one?

Come on. See that red Linux line? It has more grip on the ground than you have.

 

[Ringel05]

Funny but all the IT experts disagree with you.

Have a look.

Oh look, two random graphs........ looks like it's keeping pace with OS X
I didn't say it was taking over for Windows in total I said it was growing and gaming is expanding to include major game producers, yes all thanks to Steam.

Don't worry, Linux may never take over for Windows and M$ will continue to send you checks to shill for them.

Not only the low user share matters but how many of those Linux users are actually gamers?

Splitting hairs or grasping at straws? Which one?

Come on. See that red Linux line? It has more grip on the ground than you have.

Oh you mean the red (not orange) line that keeps growing just under the OS X line? Yeah, I see that one........

 

[Bleipriester]

Have a look.

Oh look, two random graphs........ looks like it's keeping pace with OS X
I didn't say it was taking over for Windows in total I said it was growing and gaming is expanding to include major game producers, yes all thanks to Steam.

Don't worry, Linux may never take over for Windows and M$ will continue to send you checks to shill for them.

Not only the low user share matters but how many of those Linux users are actually gamers?

Splitting hairs or grasping at straws? Which one?

Come on. See that red Linux line? It has more grip on the ground than you have.

Oh you mean the red (not orange) line that keeps growing just under the OS X line? Yeah, I see that one........

You mean that growth that requires a second, zoomed graph in order to be visible?

 

[Ringel05]

Oh look, two random graphs........ looks like it's keeping pace with OS X
I didn't say it was taking over for Windows in total I said it was growing and gaming is expanding to include major game producers, yes all thanks to Steam.

Don't worry, Linux may never take over for Windows and M$ will continue to send you checks to shill for them.

Not only the low user share matters but how many of those Linux users are actually gamers?

Splitting hairs or grasping at straws? Which one?

Come on. See that red Linux line? It has more grip on the ground than you have.

Oh you mean the red (not orange) line that keeps growing just under the OS X line? Yeah, I see that one........

You mean that growth that requires a second, zoomed graph in order to be visible?

You need to get checked for color blindness........ In the upper chart that line is orange..... representing Win 2000......

 

[Bleipriester]

Not only the low user share matters but how many of those Linux users are actually gamers?

Splitting hairs or grasping at straws? Which one?

Come on. See that red Linux line? It has more grip on the ground than you have.

Oh you mean the red (not orange) line that keeps growing just under the OS X line? Yeah, I see that one........

You mean that growth that requires a second, zoomed graph in order to be visible?

You need to get checked for color blindness........ In the upper chart that line is orange..... representing Win 2000......

Both are the same! There is just a 20x zoom in the second one. Linux growths: 2,5 % in 13 years.

 

[ChrisL]

Proper drivers and additional device software are the responsibility of the hardware manufacturers and not of the developers of the OS. Not a fan of Win 10, but this is a fact, simple and plain.

I know what you're saying but that's a cop out excuse. Prior to Vista M$ at least tried to be inclusive with their operating systems and hardware, they resumed the inclusivity with Win 7 then dropped it again with Win 8 and Win 10.

Since Windows 95, most of the OS-Disc´s content is drivers. Today, drivers even arrive via the update channel. So I think MS did not a bad job regarding the hardware support but it is still a service, not a product. The sole responsibility have the hardware manufacturers.
The issue is not XP, Vista, 7, ect but the age of the hardware. Put a Soundblaster Pro in a XP system and you will need no drivers. You have sound with the very first start after the OS´ installation. Put it into a Vista system and it will be silent unless you install the driver.
And of course, MS cannot cover all the variety of devices. There can be issues, there can even be a complete lack of drivers. No reason to damn MS. It is as if you curse your car´s manufacturer when you hit a deep and painful road hole...

You missed the point but that's expected. He did mention the hardware wasn't that old, I mean come on, what does M$ consider old? Four years? Two years? Six months?

Exactly...the device that did not work is approx. 2 1/2 years old. The 2nd printer I mentioned will only partially work is less than a year old. And they are both HP!!! Not like I bought "Yanko"....HP!
HP forums are FILLED with Win 10 complaints, especially the mystifying fact that the same device works on some Win 10 PC's and some not....I don't understand that. That should not be possible. That can only mean that across installs there is inconsistency in the code.

I'm so glad I never "upgraded" to Windows 10. I've heard people complaining that they have had nothing but problems. One big complaint I've heard from people is how slow their computers have become after installing the Windows 10.