Learn what Socialism Is.

[Socialist]

I'm tired of people on this board failing to understand what socialism is.. Educate yourselves.

 

[emilynghiem]

I'm tired of people on this board failing to understand what socialism is.. Educate yourselves.

Dear Socialist
People in America tend to stretch the term, use it more loosely to
mean ANY social program that gets micromanaged by federal govt.

It does NOT have to mean pure ownership to get called Socialistic.

I guess we should distinguish the terms literal Socialism
from "socialistic." Instead of arguing back and forth over literal terms,
let's talk about what application and degree of "socialistic govt involvement" we are discussing.
So we don't get hung up on terms and miss out on discussing actual content.

Most people I know don't want ANY political group pushing their agenda
through govt unless it's their own. So that IMPOSITION is the real issue,
not the type of system the person is. The REAL issue is not wanting
these mandating by govt where it isn't up the people's free choice and consent anymore.

Doesn't matter if you blame socialists, capitalists, left or right for pushing an imbalanced system,
the argument is against pushing opposing beliefs on the public against the will of the people affected.

 

[Socialist]

I'm tired of people on this board failing to understand what socialism is.. Educate yourselves.

Dear Socialist
People in America tend to stretch the term, use it more loosely to
mean ANY social program that gets micromanaged by federal govt.

It does NOT have to mean pure ownership to get called Socialistic.

I guess we should distinguish the terms literal Socialism
from "socialistic." Instead of arguing back and forth over literal terms,
let's talk about what application and degree of "socialistic govt involvement" we are discussing.
So we don't get hung up on terms and miss out on discussing actual content.

Most people I know don't want ANY political group pushing their agenda
through govt unless it's their own. So that IMPOSITION is the real issue,
not the type of system the person is. The REAL issue is not wanting
these mandating by govt where it isn't up the people's free choice and consent anymore.

Doesn't matter if you blame socialists, capitalists, left or right for pushing an imbalanced system,
the argument is against pushing opposing beliefs on the public against the will of the people affected.

Socialism has nothing to do with the federal government at all, I urge you to listen to the lectures above to get a sense of the history/usage of the word, it didn't start with marx.
I know people fail to understand socialism, it's sad..

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Dummies are for Socialism.

 

[Rozman]

Someone here should forward this to Debbie Wasserman....
She got the question twice and didn't have a clue.

 

[Socialist]

Dummies are for Socialism.

Oh look, a willfully ignorant moron enters the thread.

 

[bedowin62]

i'm tired of whiny socialists crying that they aren't understood

nobody cares

 

[Political Junky]

Scandinavia is doing just fine. Thank you very much.

 

[bedowin62]

move to Scandinavia then. nobody cares

 

[bedowin62]

I'm tired of people on this board failing to understand what socialism is.. Educate yourselves.

the word "IS" is missing in between socialism and for

 

[Blackrook]

Scandinavia is doing just fine. Thank you very much.

Then go there. No one is stopping you.

 

[Political Junky]

Scandinavia is doing just fine. Thank you very much.

Then go there. No one is stopping you.

Wow, that's so original.

 

[Rozman]

Scandinavia is doing just fine. Thank you very much.

Then go there. No one is stopping you.

Wow, that's so original.

Almost as original as the 'clown car' reference I see in almost every lib post....

 

[Socialist]

Scandinavia is doing just fine. Thank you very much.

Then go there. No one is stopping you.

Wow, that's so original.

Almost as original as the 'clown car' reference I see in almost every lib post....

The clown car reference actually makes sense though.

 

[bedowin62]

Scandinavia is doing just fine. Thank you very much.

Then go there. No one is stopping you.

Wow, that's so original.

Almost as original as the 'clown car' reference I see in almost every lib post....

The clown car reference actually makes sense though.

the get the hell out and go to the socialist country of your liking thing actually makes sense too

 

[hortysir]

Dummies are for Socialism.

Oh look, a willfully ignorant moron enters the thread.

When I move to a country that is founded on socialism I'll worry about it.

As it stands, right now, I live in a Constitutional Republic, which holds no space for socialism

 

[Political Junky]

Scandinavia is doing just fine. Thank you very much.

Then go there. No one is stopping you.

Wow, that's so original.

Almost as original as the 'clown car' reference I see in almost every lib post....

The clown car reference actually makes sense though.

the get the hell out and go to the socialist country of your liking thing actually makes sense too

Good Democrats actually love the US and want what's best for it.

 

[bedowin62]

good democrat is an oxymoron

 

[amrchaos]

I think I may have a very simple idea of socialism.

When Wolff describes it as transforming the market system mainly based on workers co-op, it does not seem like Capitalism died, but evolved into a workers Co-op dominated version of capitalism. It resolves the issue of profit where each worker is compensated for his work, but it does not seem to solve the problem of larger Co ops corps pooling money and influencing politicians to benefit specific Worker co op corporation.

Is there more to this philosophy? Such a philosophy does not lend itself to revolution. It seems like the process of transforming a non-worker/owner corp into a worker co op should be done at the grassroot in the business itself. There are already economic tools and methods that can do this making the idea of socialist taking over the government appear a little pointless.

Am I missing something? It does not appear to me that socialism is a leftist idea at all. The market can be fully deregulated and dominated by workers co-ops pushing it further to the right due to greed among the workers. What is keeping this scenario from becoming real in a socialistic economy?

 

[Socialist]

I think I may have a very simple idea of socialism.

When Wolff describes it as transforming the market system mainly based on workers co-op, it does not seem like Capitalism died, but evolved into a workers Co-op dominated version of capitalism. It resolves the issue of profit where each worker is compensated for his work, but it does not seem to solve the problem of larger Co ops corps pooling money and influencing politicians to benefit specific Worker co op corporation.

Is there more to this philosophy? Such a philosophy does not lend itself to revolution. It seems like the process of transforming a non-worker/owner corp into a worker co op should be done at the grassroot in the business itself. There are already economic tools and methods that can do this making the idea of socialist taking over the government appear a little pointless.

Am I missing something? It does not appear to me that socialism is a leftist idea at all. The market can be fully deregulated and dominated by workers co-ops pushing it further to the right due to greed among the workers. What is keeping this scenario from becoming real in a socialistic economy?

Capitalism assumes capitalists exist to extract surplus value from the laborer, this scenario wouldn't happen under socialism.