Ksenia Sobchak for President: Proof of the True Democracy in Russia

[Stratford57]

Sobchak thought she asked Putin an "inconvenient" question but Putin answered it just brilliantly.

Kseniya Sobchak: Yes, Mr Putin.

Vladimir Putin: Are you against everyone present or everyone in general?

Kseniya Sobchak: No, I am for Russians and against power never changing hands. I have a question about competition.

Vladimir Putin: I knew it.

Kseniya Sobchak: I have a question about competition in this election. As you may know, I am also going to run for President of Russia. I have come here as a journalist from Dozhd TV channel, because, at the moment, this is the only chance to ask you a question, because you do not participate in debates.

Vladimir Putin: Please.

Kseniya Sobchak: My question is related to the competitiveness of the election. Your press secretary, Dmitry Peskov, has already said that there is no opposition today; you have said today that you cannot nurture rivals, there are no people.

I think that everyone is quite ready and there is no need to nurture anyone. The problem is that today opposition candidates are not allowed to take part in elections, or they run into problems. I can feel it myself.

For example, there is a candidate, Alexei Navalny, who has been campaigning for over a year now. Fake criminal cases were begun against him. Alexei Navalny proved that they are fake at the European Court. You know that the Russian Federation recognises rulings of the European Court. Nevertheless, he is not allowed to stand in the election, although it is known that the Constitutional Court has a special opinion on this issue and so on.

The same goes for my activities since my announcement. It is very difficult to rent a hall in Russia, and people refuse to cooperate, even on a commercial basis. It is difficult to deliver any advertising materials. All of it is simply connected with fear. People understand that to be an opposition member in Russia means that you will either get killed, or go to jail, or something like that.

My question is: why is this happening? Is the government afraid of honest competition?

Vladimir Putin: As for competition and whether we have a capable opposition, I have already answered in enough detail. The message was not that anyone is not mature enough, but that the opposition must emerge with a clear, understandable programme of positive action.

Suppose your slogan is “Against everyone.” Is this a positive action programme? What are you proposing to resolve the problems we are discussing today? (Applause.)

A question about Ukraine was already asked. Do you want dozens of people like Saakashvili running around here? Those you named are a Russian version of Saakashvilis. Do you want such Saakashvilis to destabilise your country? Do you want us to live from one Maidan to the next? To survive attempted coups? We have been through this already. Do you want all this to return? I am sure that the absolute, overwhelming majority of Russian citizens does not want this and will not allow this. (Applause.)

There certainly should be competition, and there will be competition of course – the only question is radicalism. Look what happened to the Occupy Wall Street movement in the United States. Where is it now? The thing is, it was comprised of people like Saakashvili or those you named. Where are they now? Nobody knows.

I assure you that the government has never been afraid and is not afraid of anyone. But the government should not be watching the state turn into a muddy puddle where oligarchs fish out goldfish for themselves, like it was in the 1990s or in Ukraine today. Do we want a replica of today's Ukraine in Russia? No, we do not want it and will not allow it.

Vladimir Putin’s annual news conference
^full conference, Kremlin site

 

[Esmeralda]

One of the most dumbest celebrities in Russia run for President.Nothing cam from Putin to stop her. Voters have to decide.Sure she has zero chances to win election, but the fact is: Russia becames a True Democracy where everybody ( even idiots ) can run for the First Office in country. Can you say it about most of EU-countries where folks vote for corrupted parties and can not elect the first person ( e.g. Germany )

It is just absolutely astounding that any thinking somewhat knowledgeable person would think Russia has a 'true democracy.' Absolutely astounding. You have not been paying attention to history at all.

 

[Sbiker]

One of the most dumbest celebrities in Russia run for President.Nothing cam from Putin to stop her. Voters have to decide.Sure she has zero chances to win election, but the fact is: Russia becames a True Democracy where everybody ( even idiots ) can run for the First Office in country. Can you say it about most of EU-countries where folks vote for corrupted parties and can not elect the first person ( e.g. Germany )

It is just absolutely astounding that any thinking somewhat knowledgeable person would think Russia has a 'true democracy.' Absolutely astounding. You have not been paying attention to history at all.

Russian cities were ruled by democracy for a several centuries, and Russia is an successor of Bysantium Empire, where lived Greeks, thought up democracy, as term and concept... What do you, Europeans, really know about democracy? )) Especially in Spain, ruled by KING Felipe VI...

 

[Esmeralda]

One of the most dumbest celebrities in Russia run for President.Nothing cam from Putin to stop her. Voters have to decide.Sure she has zero chances to win election, but the fact is: Russia becames a True Democracy where everybody ( even idiots ) can run for the First Office in country. Can you say it about most of EU-countries where folks vote for corrupted parties and can not elect the first person ( e.g. Germany )

It is just absolutely astounding that any thinking somewhat knowledgeable person would think Russia has a 'true democracy.' Absolutely astounding. You have not been paying attention to history at all.

Russian cities were ruled by democracy for a several centuries, and Russia is an successor of Bysantium Empire, where lived Greeks, thought up democracy, as term and concept... What do you, Europeans, really know about democracy? )) Especially in Spain, ruled by KING Felipe VI...

I'm not a European. I'm an American. I know a lot more than you seem to. The communist empire of the Soviet Union was not socialism: it was fascism.

The 14 characteristics of Fascism: all very strongly in place in the former Soviet Union.

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed
to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

The only two that could be questioned are sexism and religion. However, the government was male dominated. Russian men are known for their brutality and macho attitude toward women; women in Russia are beaten and oppressed by their men. Common knowledge. As far religion, it was supposedly not allowed. Not allowing it is as dictatorial as any other part of fascism. Fascism is dictatorial. Not allowing human rights is an element of denying religion. Atheism was supposed to be the only spiritual attitude. Atheism was as interwined with their government as religion is in other fascist governments.

The 14 defining Characteristics Of Fascism

 

[Sbiker]

One of the most dumbest celebrities in Russia run for President.Nothing cam from Putin to stop her. Voters have to decide.Sure she has zero chances to win election, but the fact is: Russia becames a True Democracy where everybody ( even idiots ) can run for the First Office in country. Can you say it about most of EU-countries where folks vote for corrupted parties and can not elect the first person ( e.g. Germany )

It is just absolutely astounding that any thinking somewhat knowledgeable person would think Russia has a 'true democracy.' Absolutely astounding. You have not been paying attention to history at all.

Russian cities were ruled by democracy for a several centuries, and Russia is an successor of Bysantium Empire, where lived Greeks, thought up democracy, as term and concept... What do you, Europeans, really know about democracy? )) Especially in Spain, ruled by KING Felipe VI...

I'm not a European. I'm an American. I know a lot more than you seem to. The communist empire of the Soviet Union was not socialism: it was fascism.

So, if USSR was fascist state - who was US, helping USSR to fight against Hitler? Helpers of Fascism? Could you say it face-to-face to a lot of American guys, fought against real German and Japan fascism at the fields of WWII?

USSR paid 20 million lives to avoid fascism from a face of Earth. I know, you, Americans, being natural racists don't consider 20 million Soviet murdered as "people" and cannot imagine, how many it was for Russia. But what about your, American veterans?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

...says people from country with Cu-Clux-Clan and segregation of blacks, like in Charlotte and other towns.. Is it joke?

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

What? For comparison, which country now with USSR, had completely free education and medical help? Or being educated and healthy not a human rights in current world?

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities;

Or, good example... Which attribute do you use personally not to consider Russians as people - racial, ethnic or religious?

Or do you seriously think, people in mass could love fascism, having murdered relatives from fascism in _every_ family?

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Hmmm... Do yok know, which country have the military supremacy all over the world now?

5. Rampant Sexism

Tell me analogue of Russian word "шпалоукладчица", and I'll believe in progress of anti-sexism in world to level, comparative with Russian

6. Controlled Mass Media

Like "Russia Today" in US?

7. Obsession with National Security

Like US in Sirya and Afganistan? What US forces doing at far end of the world, not to be obsessed of National Security?Performing a pure agression?

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined

And president brings an oath to serve people at Bible, like in US?

9. Corporate Power is Protected

Like in situation of Marvin Heemeyer?

10. Labor Power is Suppressed

Do the people in USA have the guarantied Right for Labour, like it was in USSR?

And so on... including

women in Russia are beaten and oppressed by their men.

I suppose, like at typical Russian caricatures:

)))))) Thanks - it was a post, full of jokes...

But if seriously, I have only one question. US have a long story and a lot of experience of struggle against racial discrimination of different groups of people... What do you think, when Russians could hope not to be discriminating by racial/ethnic attributes in US media?

 

[Esmeralda]

One of the most dumbest celebrities in Russia run for President.Nothing cam from Putin to stop her. Voters have to decide.Sure she has zero chances to win election, but the fact is: Russia becames a True Democracy where everybody ( even idiots ) can run for the First Office in country. Can you say it about most of EU-countries where folks vote for corrupted parties and can not elect the first person ( e.g. Germany )

It is just absolutely astounding that any thinking somewhat knowledgeable person would think Russia has a 'true democracy.' Absolutely astounding. You have not been paying attention to history at all.

Russian cities were ruled by democracy for a several centuries, and Russia is an successor of Bysantium Empire, where lived Greeks, thought up democracy, as term and concept... What do you, Europeans, really know about democracy? )) Especially in Spain, ruled by KING Felipe VI...

I'm not a European. I'm an American. I know a lot more than you seem to. The communist empire of the Soviet Union was not socialism: it was fascism.

So, if USSR was fascist state - who was US, helping USSR to fight against Hitler? Helpers of Fascism? Could you say it face-to-face to a lot of American guys, fought against real German and Japan fascism at the fields of WWII?

USSR paid 20 million lives to avoid fascism from a face of Earth. I know, you, Americans, being natural racists don't consider 20 million Soviet murdered as "people" and cannot imagine, how many it was for Russia. But what about your, American veterans?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

...says people from country with Cu-Clux-Clan and segregation of blacks, like in Charlotte and other towns.. Is it joke?

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

What? For comparison, which country now with USSR, had completely free education and medical help? Or being educated and healthy not a human rights in current world?

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities;

Or, good example... Which attribute do you use personally not to consider Russians as people - racial, ethnic or religious?

Or do you seriously think, people in mass could love fascism, having murdered relatives from fascism in _every_ family?

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Hmmm... Do yok know, which country have the military supremacy all over the world now?

5. Rampant Sexism

Tell me analogue of Russian word "шпалоукладчица", and I'll believe in progress of anti-sexism in world to level, comparative with Russian

6. Controlled Mass Media

Like "Russia Today" in US?

7. Obsession with National Security

Like US in Sirya and Afganistan? What US forces doing at far end of the world, not to be obsessed of National Security?Performing a pure agression?

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined

And president brings an oath to serve people at Bible, like in US?

9. Corporate Power is Protected

Like in situation of Marvin Heemeyer?

10. Labor Power is Suppressed

Do the people in USA have the guarantied Right for Labour, like it was in USSR?

And so on... including

women in Russia are beaten and oppressed by their men.

I suppose, like at typical Russian caricatures:
View attachment 166546

)))))) Thanks - it was a post, full of jokes...

But if seriously, I have only one question. US have a long story and a lot of experience of struggle against racial discrimination of different groups of people... What do you think, when Russians could hope not to be discriminating by racial/ethnic attributes in US media?

World War II was not about fascism.

 

[Esmeralda]

One of the most dumbest celebrities in Russia run for President.Nothing cam from Putin to stop her. Voters have to decide.Sure she has zero chances to win election, but the fact is: Russia becames a True Democracy where everybody ( even idiots ) can run for the First Office in country. Can you say it about most of EU-countries where folks vote for corrupted parties and can not elect the first person ( e.g. Germany )

It is just absolutely astounding that any thinking somewhat knowledgeable person would think Russia has a 'true democracy.' Absolutely astounding. You have not been paying attention to history at all.

Russian cities were ruled by democracy for a several centuries, and Russia is an successor of Bysantium Empire, where lived Greeks, thought up democracy, as term and concept... What do you, Europeans, really know about democracy? )) Especially in Spain, ruled by KING Felipe VI...

I'm not a European. I'm an American. I know a lot more than you seem to. The communist empire of the Soviet Union was not socialism: it was fascism.

So, if USSR was fascist state - who was US, helping USSR to fight against Hitler? Helpers of Fascism? Could you say it face-to-face to a lot of American guys, fought against real German and Japan fascism at the fields of WWII?

USSR paid 20 million lives to avoid fascism from a face of Earth. I know, you, Americans, being natural racists don't consider 20 million Soviet murdered as "people" and cannot imagine, how many it was for Russia. But what about your, American veterans?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

...says people from country with Cu-Clux-Clan and segregation of blacks, like in Charlotte and other towns.. Is it joke?

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

What? For comparison, which country now with USSR, had completely free education and medical help? Or being educated and healthy not a human rights in current world?

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities;

Or, good example... Which attribute do you use personally not to consider Russians as people - racial, ethnic or religious?

Or do you seriously think, people in mass could love fascism, having murdered relatives from fascism in _every_ family?

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Hmmm... Do yok know, which country have the military supremacy all over the world now?

5. Rampant Sexism

Tell me analogue of Russian word "шпалоукладчица", and I'll believe in progress of anti-sexism in world to level, comparative with Russian

6. Controlled Mass Media

Like "Russia Today" in US?

7. Obsession with National Security

Like US in Sirya and Afganistan? What US forces doing at far end of the world, not to be obsessed of National Security?Performing a pure agression?

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined

And president brings an oath to serve people at Bible, like in US?

9. Corporate Power is Protected

Like in situation of Marvin Heemeyer?

10. Labor Power is Suppressed

Do the people in USA have the guarantied Right for Labour, like it was in USSR?

And so on... including

women in Russia are beaten and oppressed by their men.

I suppose, like at typical Russian caricatures:
View attachment 166546

)))))) Thanks - it was a post, full of jokes...

But if seriously, I have only one question. US have a long story and a lot of experience of struggle against racial discrimination of different groups of people... What do you think, when Russians could hope not to be discriminating by racial/ethnic attributes in US media?

This is not about America or Europe or Japan or WWII. You have issues. I wasn't saying anything one way or the other about America. Get a grip. You are going way off topic.

 

[Sbiker]

One of the most dumbest celebrities in Russia run for President.Nothing cam from Putin to stop her. Voters have to decide.Sure she has zero chances to win election, but the fact is: Russia becames a True Democracy where everybody ( even idiots ) can run for the First Office in country. Can you say it about most of EU-countries where folks vote for corrupted parties and can not elect the first person ( e.g. Germany )

It is just absolutely astounding that any thinking somewhat knowledgeable person would think Russia has a 'true democracy.' Absolutely astounding. You have not been paying attention to history at all.

Russian cities were ruled by democracy for a several centuries, and Russia is an successor of Bysantium Empire, where lived Greeks, thought up democracy, as term and concept... What do you, Europeans, really know about democracy? )) Especially in Spain, ruled by KING Felipe VI...

I'm not a European. I'm an American. I know a lot more than you seem to. The communist empire of the Soviet Union was not socialism: it was fascism.

So, if USSR was fascist state - who was US, helping USSR to fight against Hitler? Helpers of Fascism? Could you say it face-to-face to a lot of American guys, fought against real German and Japan fascism at the fields of WWII?

USSR paid 20 million lives to avoid fascism from a face of Earth. I know, you, Americans, being natural racists don't consider 20 million Soviet murdered as "people" and cannot imagine, how many it was for Russia. But what about your, American veterans?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

...says people from country with Cu-Clux-Clan and segregation of blacks, like in Charlotte and other towns.. Is it joke?

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

What? For comparison, which country now with USSR, had completely free education and medical help? Or being educated and healthy not a human rights in current world?

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities;

Or, good example... Which attribute do you use personally not to consider Russians as people - racial, ethnic or religious?

Or do you seriously think, people in mass could love fascism, having murdered relatives from fascism in _every_ family?

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Hmmm... Do yok know, which country have the military supremacy all over the world now?

5. Rampant Sexism

Tell me analogue of Russian word "шпалоукладчица", and I'll believe in progress of anti-sexism in world to level, comparative with Russian

6. Controlled Mass Media

Like "Russia Today" in US?

7. Obsession with National Security

Like US in Sirya and Afganistan? What US forces doing at far end of the world, not to be obsessed of National Security?Performing a pure agression?

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined

And president brings an oath to serve people at Bible, like in US?

9. Corporate Power is Protected

Like in situation of Marvin Heemeyer?

10. Labor Power is Suppressed

Do the people in USA have the guarantied Right for Labour, like it was in USSR?

And so on... including

women in Russia are beaten and oppressed by their men.

I suppose, like at typical Russian caricatures:
View attachment 166546

)))))) Thanks - it was a post, full of jokes...

But if seriously, I have only one question. US have a long story and a lot of experience of struggle against racial discrimination of different groups of people... What do you think, when Russians could hope not to be discriminating by racial/ethnic attributes in US media?

World War II was not about fascism.

World War II WAS about fascism.

Or do you consider this practice as "normal" and "nothing serious":

 

[Esmeralda]

It is just absolutely astounding that any thinking somewhat knowledgeable person would think Russia has a 'true democracy.' Absolutely astounding. You have not been paying attention to history at all.

Russian cities were ruled by democracy for a several centuries, and Russia is an successor of Bysantium Empire, where lived Greeks, thought up democracy, as term and concept... What do you, Europeans, really know about democracy? )) Especially in Spain, ruled by KING Felipe VI...

I'm not a European. I'm an American. I know a lot more than you seem to. The communist empire of the Soviet Union was not socialism: it was fascism.

So, if USSR was fascist state - who was US, helping USSR to fight against Hitler? Helpers of Fascism? Could you say it face-to-face to a lot of American guys, fought against real German and Japan fascism at the fields of WWII?

USSR paid 20 million lives to avoid fascism from a face of Earth. I know, you, Americans, being natural racists don't consider 20 million Soviet murdered as "people" and cannot imagine, how many it was for Russia. But what about your, American veterans?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

...says people from country with Cu-Clux-Clan and segregation of blacks, like in Charlotte and other towns.. Is it joke?

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

What? For comparison, which country now with USSR, had completely free education and medical help? Or being educated and healthy not a human rights in current world?

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities;

Or, good example... Which attribute do you use personally not to consider Russians as people - racial, ethnic or religious?

Or do you seriously think, people in mass could love fascism, having murdered relatives from fascism in _every_ family?

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Hmmm... Do yok know, which country have the military supremacy all over the world now?

5. Rampant Sexism

Tell me analogue of Russian word "шпалоукладчица", and I'll believe in progress of anti-sexism in world to level, comparative with Russian

6. Controlled Mass Media

Like "Russia Today" in US?

7. Obsession with National Security

Like US in Sirya and Afganistan? What US forces doing at far end of the world, not to be obsessed of National Security?Performing a pure agression?

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined

And president brings an oath to serve people at Bible, like in US?

9. Corporate Power is Protected

Like in situation of Marvin Heemeyer?

10. Labor Power is Suppressed

Do the people in USA have the guarantied Right for Labour, like it was in USSR?

And so on... including

women in Russia are beaten and oppressed by their men.

I suppose, like at typical Russian caricatures:
View attachment 166546

)))))) Thanks - it was a post, full of jokes...

But if seriously, I have only one question. US have a long story and a lot of experience of struggle against racial discrimination of different groups of people... What do you think, when Russians could hope not to be discriminating by racial/ethnic attributes in US media?

World War II was not about fascism.

World War II WAS about fascism.

Or do you consider this practice as "normal" and "nothing serious":

When WWII started and almost until the end of it, no one even know about the Holocaust and the treatment of the Jews. It was about the fact that Hitler was invading other countries. England got involved because he invaded other European countries like Poland and Belgium and they feared he would try to invade the British Isles. It was never about fascism.

 

[Sbiker]

One of the most dumbest celebrities in Russia run for President.Nothing cam from Putin to stop her. Voters have to decide.Sure she has zero chances to win election, but the fact is: Russia becames a True Democracy where everybody ( even idiots ) can run for the First Office in country. Can you say it about most of EU-countries where folks vote for corrupted parties and can not elect the first person ( e.g. Germany )

It is just absolutely astounding that any thinking somewhat knowledgeable person would think Russia has a 'true democracy.' Absolutely astounding. You have not been paying attention to history at all.

Russian cities were ruled by democracy for a several centuries, and Russia is an successor of Bysantium Empire, where lived Greeks, thought up democracy, as term and concept... What do you, Europeans, really know about democracy? )) Especially in Spain, ruled by KING Felipe VI...

I'm not a European. I'm an American. I know a lot more than you seem to. The communist empire of the Soviet Union was not socialism: it was fascism.

So, if USSR was fascist state - who was US, helping USSR to fight against Hitler? Helpers of Fascism? Could you say it face-to-face to a lot of American guys, fought against real German and Japan fascism at the fields of WWII?

USSR paid 20 million lives to avoid fascism from a face of Earth. I know, you, Americans, being natural racists don't consider 20 million Soviet murdered as "people" and cannot imagine, how many it was for Russia. But what about your, American veterans?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

...says people from country with Cu-Clux-Clan and segregation of blacks, like in Charlotte and other towns.. Is it joke?

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

What? For comparison, which country now with USSR, had completely free education and medical help? Or being educated and healthy not a human rights in current world?

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities;

Or, good example... Which attribute do you use personally not to consider Russians as people - racial, ethnic or religious?

Or do you seriously think, people in mass could love fascism, having murdered relatives from fascism in _every_ family?

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Hmmm... Do yok know, which country have the military supremacy all over the world now?

5. Rampant Sexism

Tell me analogue of Russian word "шпалоукладчица", and I'll believe in progress of anti-sexism in world to level, comparative with Russian

6. Controlled Mass Media

Like "Russia Today" in US?

7. Obsession with National Security

Like US in Sirya and Afganistan? What US forces doing at far end of the world, not to be obsessed of National Security?Performing a pure agression?

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined

And president brings an oath to serve people at Bible, like in US?

9. Corporate Power is Protected

Like in situation of Marvin Heemeyer?

10. Labor Power is Suppressed

Do the people in USA have the guarantied Right for Labour, like it was in USSR?

And so on... including

women in Russia are beaten and oppressed by their men.

I suppose, like at typical Russian caricatures:
View attachment 166546

)))))) Thanks - it was a post, full of jokes...

But if seriously, I have only one question. US have a long story and a lot of experience of struggle against racial discrimination of different groups of people... What do you think, when Russians could hope not to be discriminating by racial/ethnic attributes in US media?

This is not about America or Europe or Japan or WWII. You have issues. I wasn't saying anything one way or the other about America. Get a grip. You are going way off topic.

I knew, your logical arguments would end very fast.

No one normal peoples in mass could upkeep idea, murdered of their relatives in every family.
Naming Russians as "fascists" you, in fact, saying "Russian are NOT a people".
It's a discrimination of Russians by ethnic principle. Powered by media.

Term "fascist" much more abusive for Russians than any terms you used in past to name black people. But you're using it and performing substantination of it, like Hitler's "scientists" with their race theory. So,it's a fact - you're performing discrimination of Russians by ethnic principle.

 

[Esmeralda]

It is just absolutely astounding that any thinking somewhat knowledgeable person would think Russia has a 'true democracy.' Absolutely astounding. You have not been paying attention to history at all.

Russian cities were ruled by democracy for a several centuries, and Russia is an successor of Bysantium Empire, where lived Greeks, thought up democracy, as term and concept... What do you, Europeans, really know about democracy? )) Especially in Spain, ruled by KING Felipe VI...

I'm not a European. I'm an American. I know a lot more than you seem to. The communist empire of the Soviet Union was not socialism: it was fascism.

So, if USSR was fascist state - who was US, helping USSR to fight against Hitler? Helpers of Fascism? Could you say it face-to-face to a lot of American guys, fought against real German and Japan fascism at the fields of WWII?

USSR paid 20 million lives to avoid fascism from a face of Earth. I know, you, Americans, being natural racists don't consider 20 million Soviet murdered as "people" and cannot imagine, how many it was for Russia. But what about your, American veterans?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

...says people from country with Cu-Clux-Clan and segregation of blacks, like in Charlotte and other towns.. Is it joke?

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

What? For comparison, which country now with USSR, had completely free education and medical help? Or being educated and healthy not a human rights in current world?

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities;

Or, good example... Which attribute do you use personally not to consider Russians as people - racial, ethnic or religious?

Or do you seriously think, people in mass could love fascism, having murdered relatives from fascism in _every_ family?

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Hmmm... Do yok know, which country have the military supremacy all over the world now?

5. Rampant Sexism

Tell me analogue of Russian word "шпалоукладчица", and I'll believe in progress of anti-sexism in world to level, comparative with Russian

6. Controlled Mass Media

Like "Russia Today" in US?

7. Obsession with National Security

Like US in Sirya and Afganistan? What US forces doing at far end of the world, not to be obsessed of National Security?Performing a pure agression?

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined

And president brings an oath to serve people at Bible, like in US?

9. Corporate Power is Protected

Like in situation of Marvin Heemeyer?

10. Labor Power is Suppressed

Do the people in USA have the guarantied Right for Labour, like it was in USSR?

And so on... including

women in Russia are beaten and oppressed by their men.

I suppose, like at typical Russian caricatures:
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)))))) Thanks - it was a post, full of jokes...

But if seriously, I have only one question. US have a long story and a lot of experience of struggle against racial discrimination of different groups of people... What do you think, when Russians could hope not to be discriminating by racial/ethnic attributes in US media?

This is not about America or Europe or Japan or WWII. You have issues. I wasn't saying anything one way or the other about America. Get a grip. You are going way off topic.

I knew, your logical arguments would end very fast.

No one normal peoples in mass could upkeep idea, murdered of their relatives in every family.
Naming Russians as "fascists" you, in fact, saying "Russian are NOT a people".
It's a discrimination of Russians by ethnic principle. Powered by media.

Term "fascist" much more abusive for Russians than any terms you used in past to name black people. But you're using it and performing substantination of it, like Hitler's "scientists" with their race theory. So,it's a fact - you're performing discrimination of Russians by ethnic principle.

You post that and you say I'm not being logical? Hilarious.

 

[Sbiker]

Russian cities were ruled by democracy for a several centuries, and Russia is an successor of Bysantium Empire, where lived Greeks, thought up democracy, as term and concept... What do you, Europeans, really know about democracy? )) Especially in Spain, ruled by KING Felipe VI...

I'm not a European. I'm an American. I know a lot more than you seem to. The communist empire of the Soviet Union was not socialism: it was fascism.

So, if USSR was fascist state - who was US, helping USSR to fight against Hitler? Helpers of Fascism? Could you say it face-to-face to a lot of American guys, fought against real German and Japan fascism at the fields of WWII?

USSR paid 20 million lives to avoid fascism from a face of Earth. I know, you, Americans, being natural racists don't consider 20 million Soviet murdered as "people" and cannot imagine, how many it was for Russia. But what about your, American veterans?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

...says people from country with Cu-Clux-Clan and segregation of blacks, like in Charlotte and other towns.. Is it joke?

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

What? For comparison, which country now with USSR, had completely free education and medical help? Or being educated and healthy not a human rights in current world?

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities;

Or, good example... Which attribute do you use personally not to consider Russians as people - racial, ethnic or religious?

Or do you seriously think, people in mass could love fascism, having murdered relatives from fascism in _every_ family?

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Hmmm... Do yok know, which country have the military supremacy all over the world now?

5. Rampant Sexism

Tell me analogue of Russian word "шпалоукладчица", and I'll believe in progress of anti-sexism in world to level, comparative with Russian

6. Controlled Mass Media

Like "Russia Today" in US?

7. Obsession with National Security

Like US in Sirya and Afganistan? What US forces doing at far end of the world, not to be obsessed of National Security?Performing a pure agression?

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined

And president brings an oath to serve people at Bible, like in US?

9. Corporate Power is Protected

Like in situation of Marvin Heemeyer?

10. Labor Power is Suppressed

Do the people in USA have the guarantied Right for Labour, like it was in USSR?

And so on... including

women in Russia are beaten and oppressed by their men.

I suppose, like at typical Russian caricatures:
View attachment 166546

)))))) Thanks - it was a post, full of jokes...

But if seriously, I have only one question. US have a long story and a lot of experience of struggle against racial discrimination of different groups of people... What do you think, when Russians could hope not to be discriminating by racial/ethnic attributes in US media?

World War II was not about fascism.

World War II WAS about fascism.

Or do you consider this practice as "normal" and "nothing serious":

When WWII started and almost until the end of it, no one even know about the Holocaust and the treatment of the Jews. It was about the fact that Hitler was invading other countries. England got involved because he invaded other European countries like France and Belgium and they feared he would try to invade the British Isles. It was never about fascism.

Are you seriously about "no one know about the Holocaust"?

Did the murdered Jews knew about their death?
Do you know, Hitler's soldiers started to kill Jews and Gipsies from the first day, they invaded USSR.

Jews and Russians knew. You said "no-one"... You're trying to say "Jews and Russian are not a people" again?

And what about Chinese, not only murdered by Japans, but also used as "guinea pigs" by the Japan "medics" in their anti-humanistic experiments? They're not people too?? And all this deaths for the "fascist idea" mean nothing, and WWII was only an easy political game?

 

[Baron]

S
My question is: why is this happening? Is the government afraid of honest competition?
Ve

ROFL
A competition with whom?
A crooked gay activist and a stupid bitch against Putin....

 

[Sbiker]

S
My question is: why is this happening? Is the government afraid of honest competition?
Ve

ROFL
A competition with whom?
A crooked gay activist and a stupid bitch against Putin....

There are some good candidates in left block... But in the head of left block there are a scums and dumbs, so, offcourse - in fact, people would vote for the single responsible man, they know...