Krugman Poll on Canadian Healthcare

[Meister]

Canuk...Why don't you do a little damn home work, and show it's not? Get off your lazy ass and do it....oh yeah, I know why, being a socialist, you like other people to do the work for you.

freaking A

I know it's hilarious ..... dipshit askes someone to do something and then we he get's asked to do the same he pulls out the only defence he has - it must be socialism my guess....he's a grade ten dropout.

I see your calling yourself a "dipshit"....good, your coming to grips with yourself. But, you haven't brought anything to the table but your tripe.
You being a conservative...yeah, you would have to be a crazy bunch to call yourselves that. I assure you I have never dropped out of anything I started.

 

[Jay Canuck]

freaking A

I know it's hilarious ..... dipshit askes someone to do something and then we he get's asked to do the same he pulls out the only defence he has - it must be socialism my guess....he's a grade ten dropout.

you are hilarious,,have you seen any Americans in line,, did ya ask em?

no after the Bush years many Americans don't even have bus fare to get up here.... the party of fiscal responsibility really is a joke.

 

[Meister]

I know it's hilarious ..... dipshit askes someone to do something and then we he get's asked to do the same he pulls out the only defence he has - it must be socialism my guess....he's a grade ten dropout.

you are hilarious,,have you seen any Americans in line,, did ya ask em?

no after the Bush years many American don't even have bus fare to get up here.... the party of fiscal responsibility really is a joke.

Link?

 

[PoliticalChic]

no I'm not....and nobody else should be either when you are citing a poll conducted on less than 5000 people on a media call list like it's a real indicator of how all Americans feel....... ABC - they should stick to T.V shows like Full House

Thank you for carefully observing rules #2, 3, 4, and 9 of the Liberal Libretto

Through skillful machinations, I was able to get my hands on the (apocryphal) “Liberal Libretto”, as ratified by Saul Alinsky.
Actually, I pointed over a libs shoulder and shouted ‘watch out’ and grabbed the book.

Here is the full set for you to review.

1. Always be the first to accuse, and make certain to accuse the opponent of exactly what you are doing.

2. Refuse to accept the statements of any opposing view, from individuals or media, unless reliably liberal.

3. Always assure the opposition that you know what is better for the proletariat, even if there are polls that claim the opposite.
a. Assure the compliant that you are only looking out for their best interests, as in “look, it’s not about me…”
b. Claim the public has been ‘brainwashed,’ and politicians bought.

4. Be sure to you carry your ‘concern’ as though it was a hypodermic needle, but one filled with poison. Furrow your brow, look vaguely sad, (think Leon Panetta) but watch for opportunities to stab, to use abusive language, using your (imagined) superiority to allow you to do violence to the reputation of those who have alternative views.

5. If you find yourself in a debating ‘box,’ where the true answer will sink a liberal talking point, either
a. Claim that the question is ‘above my pay grade.’
b. Look astounded, and claim that the questioner is a racist, sexist or homophobe. Or fascist, or, always good, nazi.
c. Make up any term as opprobrium, as long as it sounds ominous.
d. Learn phrases such as ‘it’s time to move on,” or ‘let’s put this behind us.”
e. If all else fails, shrug your shoulders and say “ I’m only interested in discourse.”

6. Claim to misunderstand, obfuscate, deflect and change the subject, and, if all else fails, allege that you misspoke.
a. Remember, left-wingers may make a ‘mistake,’ for right-wingers, it is a lie!
b. When relating a series of events that lead to a conclusion, if it is a right-wing conclusion, we must never see the connection!
c. Any exposure of detrimental information must be referred to as either ‘fear-tactics,’ or ‘red-baiting.’

7. Never, never criticize in any way any government or movement that is totalitarian, homicidal or anti-American.
a. Claim to idolize despots and tyrants. But always state how their people love them.
b. The corollary applies: never support traditional American values. Important terms: imperialist, oppressor
c. Deny atrocities by tyrants. If not possible, explain they were necessary. Finally, justify them, and, show how America was ultimately at fault.
d. Support government officials and appointees.
I. This does not apply to uniformed government employees such as police or military.

8. Remember to spend appropriate time in front of the mirror practicing outrage, shock, and disbelief, or, and best, a sarcastic sneer.

9. Remember, as a liberal, you never have to apologize, be accurate, nor have any knowledge. No matter how many times your talking points are shown to be wrong, continue to repeat them.

10. Remember the gullible and grumbling always identify with vague terms like ‘hope’ ‘change’ ‘new’ ‘empathy’ and ‘better.’


Both Saul, and, I'm sure, the Public School Education System, are very, very proud of you.

I will pass that on to my liberal friends...I'm sure they will laugh they're asses off when I tell them it was from a Neo-Con.

I created the list for enjoyment, but, and assuming that you have friends, if they are honest liberals, they can't deny that each and every one of the 'rules' is true.

 

[PoliticalChic]

the Liberal Libretto

Good lord, it's like you took the right-wing talking-head playbook and inserted the terms "liberal" and "proletariat" in the appropriate spots.

The possible exception would be your insertion of "Racist" and "Homophobe", but that's obvious, since there are pretty much no monority Republicans, and Republicans have a stranglehold on Homophobia.

But I guess that adheres to rule one:

1. Always be the first to accuse, and make certain to accuse the opponent of exactly what you are doing.

Most people call that "projecting". ROFL.

I'm glad you appreciated my work.

But it seems like your response is somewhat sophomoric, along the lines of 'so are you.'

On the other hand, you're working to ability.

 

[Jay Canuck]

freaking A

I know it's hilarious ..... dipshit askes someone to do something and then we he get's asked to do the same he pulls out the only defence he has - it must be socialism my guess....he's a grade ten dropout.

I see your calling yourself a "dipshit"....good, your coming to grips with yourself. But, you haven't brought anything to the table but your tripe.
You being a conservative...yeah, you would have to be a crazy bunch to call yourselves that. I assure you I have never dropped out of anything I started.

poor bastard doesn't know when he's being insulted....maybe he dropped out earlier than tenth grade with that kind of reading comphrehension

 

[Vast LWC]

Please try to be more accurate.

Every single individual in the United States of America has healthcare.

That is incorrect.

Every individual can receive EMERGENCY health care in life or death situations.

That is a very different animal.

That means that if you don't have health insurance, you probably won't be seeing a doctor in the early stages of a illness, only in the last stages of an illness, when it's too late.

 

[Toro]

of course the last time I looked at the WHO ratings the U.S was in 37 place and Canada was 7 places ahead of you.....not quite #1 huh?

If your opponent is #37 and you are #30, that isn't really much to brag about.

 

[Vast LWC]

But it seems like your response is somewhat sophomoric, along the lines of 'so are you.'

Hey, you're the one who put that rule in the first line, showing your colors.

You don't need me to point out your own inadequacies, you're doing that quite well yourself.

Or in the words of Socrates "He who smelt it, clearly dealt it".

 

[Jay Canuck]

of course the last time I looked at the WHO ratings the U.S was in 37 place and Canada was 7 places ahead of you.....not quite #1 huh?

If your opponent is #37 and you are #30, that isn't really much to brag about.

what makes you think I was bragging?

 

[Toro]

I would like to see just where you got your #'s on Cancer mortality rates in Canada vs. the U.S.

There are comparative figures in this thread.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...are/83876-health-outcomes-in-canada-v-us.html

And another

http://www.usmessageboard.com/healthcare-insurance-govt-healthcare/83743-cancer-survival-rates.html

 

[Jay Canuck]

you are hilarious,,have you seen any Americans in line,, did ya ask em?

no after the Bush years many American don't even have bus fare to get up here.... the party of fiscal responsibility really is a joke.

Link?

to what.... a site that confirms that Bush almost bankrupt the U.S.?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Of course they lie.

Of course! Any organization that uses numbers and facts to presentthe public with information must be lying if said information doesn't adhere to what Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly are telling you, right?

Damn those pesky facts. Always getting in the way of the "Fair and Balanced" agenda.

You see, if I were like you, I'd be posting data from Keith Olberman's show...
But instead I go out and search for reliable information, rather than someone's opinion.

Quite an etherial defense.

I note that you were not able to deny the the WHO does no more than copy the data given by member nations.

Minus one.

" Any organization that uses numbers and facts to presentthe public with information must be lying if said information doesn't adhere..."
This was not consistent with any part of my post, an obvious attempt to deflect.

Minus two.

"...Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly are telling you, right?"
I quoted neither of your 'bete noire.' Clearly a straw man argument, or in this case, straw men.

Minus three.

I hate to embarrass you in public in this manner, but here on the USMB we have come to expect a higher level of debate than you have, thus far, evinced.

Suggestions? Cut down on the vituperation, bulk up on data and links. Nothing wrong with a little jab, but I expect argument less 'so are you...' and more 'here are the reasons for my belief a), b) c).

I'm sure you can do better.

 

[Jay Canuck]

uh Supergirl still waiting for your super answer....what happens if you don't have health insurance and you get sick or injured in the U.S?

 

[Toro]

Japan Life Expectancy / World rank:

82.6 / 1

Sweden Life Expectancy / World rank:

80.9 / 7

France Life Expectancy / World rank:

80.7 / 10

Canada Life Expectancy / World rank:

80.7 / 11

US Life Expectancy:

78.2 / 38

Source: The United Nations Population Prospects, 2006 revision

The numbers don't lie.

Yeah, but you must understand them in context.

In 1900, the country with the longest life span was Sweden, which is number 2 on that list, and it obviously wasn't because of a socialist medical system that was not yet in existence. My guess is Japan would have been up there as well.

 

[PoliticalChic]

no I'm not denying some people who have the money to spend sometimes travel to other nations to recieve treatment from a Dr of their choice and that happens in your nation as well...but I fail to see what that has to do with your crumbling system that allows millions of it's own citizens to go with no coverage at all?

Please try to be more accurate.

Every single individual in the United States of America has healthcare.

Every one.

Even visitors.

Not everyone has insurance.

Inaccuracy is the hallmark of your posts.

if you don't have insurance wonder girl what happens?

I actually believe that yours is an honest question.

Judging by your level of sophistication, you are not aware that hospital emergency rooms will not turn you away. Insurance or no insurance.

There are also free clinics.

The financial argument about healthcare, is, in fact, due in large measure because of the costs to private hospitals and the system in general, of care to those who have no healthcare insurance and so use emergency rooms without recompense to same.

In the future, use the correct terminology: no insurance, not 'no healthcare.'

 

[WillowTree]

uh Supergirl still waiting for your super answer....what happens if you don't have health insurance and you get sick or injured in the U.S?

you go to the emergency room and get treated..

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

 

[PoliticalChic]

Please try to be more accurate.

Every single individual in the United States of America has healthcare.

That is incorrect.

Every individual can receive EMERGENCY health care in life or death situations.

That is a very different animal.

That means that if you don't have health insurance, you probably won't be seeing a doctor in the early stages of a illness, only in the last stages of an illness, when it's too late.

You are not entitled to create your own definitions.

Healthcare:The prevention, treatment, and management of illness and the preservation of mental and physical well-being through the services offered by the medical and allied health professions.

Unlike McDonald's, one doesn't have to check the menu to see if a particular illness, discomfort or malignancy is covered by that particular emergency room.

Many less well off use emergency rooms as their primary healthcare facility.

Shot yourself in the foot again.

 

[PoliticalChic]

But it seems like your response is somewhat sophomoric, along the lines of 'so are you.'

Hey, you're the one who put that rule in the first line, showing your colors.

You don't need me to point out your own inadequacies, you're doing that quite well yourself.

Or in the words of Socrates "He who smelt it, clearly dealt it".

This is not even middle school level.