Krugman Poll on Canadian Healthcare

[Meister]

So let's get this straight....the left have the majority of newspapers in this country, and have the majority of television in this country, and they are bitching because the right has a majority on the radio, Hmmm, I get it.

Says who?

The right-wing media, that's who.

Look at the major newspapers in America...all across the nation, you would have to be deaf dumb and blind not to to comprehend that.
Looks at the television stations over the last election...again the deaf dumb and blind scenario.
Look at the radio stations all across the nation, again the deaf dumb and blind scenario....I'm don't know, but you just may fit that ticket.

 

[Jay Canuck]

Results for Canada. Canada's system of national health insurance is often cited as a model for the United States. But an analysis of 2001 to 2003 data by June O'Neill, former director of the Congressional Budget Office, and economist David O'Neill, found that overall cancer survival rates are higher in the United States than in Canada: 3

not what I would call a recent study by June O'Neill and David O'Neill neither of which have anything to do with medicine..... but hey that's the best you guys can come up with.

 

[Vast LWC]

I'll remind you that what you hear when you listen to Fox is what I hear when I listen to CBS.

No, what you hear on MSNBC is what I hear on fox.

FoxNews consists of 90% extreme right wing opinion shows and 10% news.

As one small example:

Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck regularly call Mr Obama a "Socialist", a "Facist", and, most recently, a "racist".

If ANY commentator on CBS called President Bush any one of those things, they would have been fired, immediately.

FoxNews is NOTHING like CBS. The only major media outlets that come close to Murdoch's bias (but on the liberal side) are MSNBC and perhaps the NY Times Editorial section. And that being said, even MSNBC has some conservative shows, like Morning Joe, and the NY Times has conservative opinion contributors.

 

[Bfgrn]

Hey PC, I know you're not interested in finding out anything that resembles the TRUTH...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv1FwOCNoZ8&feature=channel]YouTube - BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Preview: Wendell Potter pt 2 | PBS[/ame]

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Hey Gay Canuk,

When the Clintons tried to socialize Healthcare they claimed that there were "47 MM uninsured Americans" now Obama is claiming that there are 47MM people, including 12MM illegals who don't have access to health insurance

That means that since Clinton's failed attempt to nationalize health care 12MM Americans got health insurance"

I'm guessing Math must be your strong suit!

Gay rhymes with Jay.....damn you're good

Jay, you're off in the ten millions column...not good..not good at all.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Hey PC, I know you're not interested in finding out anything that resembles the TRUTH...

YouTube - BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Preview: Wendell Potter pt 2 | PBS

The Truth about ObamaCare Eugenics and Euthanasia Program:

"Ultimately, the complete lives system does not create 'classes of Untermenschen whose lives and well being are deemed not worth spending money on,' but rather empowers us to decide fairly whom to save when genuine scarcity makes saving everyone impossible." --

Obama's own Dr. Mengele, Ezekiel Emanuel

 

[Vast LWC]

Look at the major newspapers in America...all across the nation,

Mudoch owns the Wall Street Journal, and the New York Post here in New York.
In Washington there's the Washington Times, in Chicago there's the Tribune, in LA there's the the LA Times.

Every major market seems to have a major conservative newspaper.

Seems pretty balanced to me.

 

[WillowTree]

Hey PC, I know you're not interested in finding out anything that resembles the TRUTH...

YouTube - BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Preview: Wendell Potter pt 2 | PBS

The Trust about ObamaCare Eugenics and Euthanasia Program:

"Ultimately, the complete lives system does not create 'classes of Untermenschen whose lives and well being are deemed not worth spending money on,' but rather empowers us to decide fairly whom to save when genuine scarcity makes saving everyone impossible." --

Obama's own Dr. Mengele Ezekiel Emanuel

so he's hired two eugenicists?? TWO???

 

[Tech_Esq]

But despite the large number of uninsured, cancer patients in the United States are most likely to be screened regularly

So, let me see if I have this straight.

The US beats Canada in ONE disease (cancer) by 3-4%? Wow, that sure proves your point that American health care is way better than Canadian...

And what's the reason for that? Early Detection! And what would help save even more lives through early detection? That's right, everyone having health insurance!

But aside from that, there is no good point to your entire argument, as no-one is currently suggesting full universal health-care in our government right now.

The current plan is to provide a public option as far as health insurance is concerned, to drive down prices, which have been steadily increasing over the past few decades, contrary to what free-market theory dictates should have happened.

Never mind. You are clearly too stupid to have a debate with. Have a nice day.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Hey PC, I know you're not interested in finding out anything that resembles the TRUTH...

YouTube - BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Preview: Wendell Potter pt 2 | PBS

The Trust about ObamaCare Eugenics and Euthanasia Program:

"Ultimately, the complete lives system does not create 'classes of Untermenschen whose lives and well being are deemed not worth spending money on,' but rather empowers us to decide fairly whom to save when genuine scarcity makes saving everyone impossible." --

Obama's own Dr. Mengele Ezekiel Emanuel

so he's hired two eugenicists?? TWO???

Don't say you weren't fucking warned!

Do you wonder why gun shops can't keep ammo in stock?

 

[Vast LWC]

Looks at the television stations over the last election...again the deaf dumb and blind scenario.
Look at the radio stations all across the nation, again the deaf dumb and blind scenario.

Vast generalizations without a shred of evidence to back them up.

You can go on saying "the Media is liberal" until you're blue in the face, it doesn't prove a thing, except that you like to make unproven accusations.

 

[WillowTree]

The Trust about ObamaCare Eugenics and Euthanasia Program:

"Ultimately, the complete lives system does not create 'classes of Untermenschen whose lives and well being are deemed not worth spending money on,' but rather empowers us to decide fairly whom to save when genuine scarcity makes saving everyone impossible." --

Obama's own Dr. Mengele Ezekiel Emanuel

so he's hired two eugenicists?? TWO???

Don't say you weren't fucking warned!

Do you wonder why gun shops can't keep ammo in stock?

Hey,, I didn't vote for the moron!

 

[Vast LWC]

Never mind. You are clearly too stupid to have a debate with. Have a nice day.

Famous last words of someone who has no response.

 

[Meister]

Look at the major newspapers in America...all across the nation,

Mudoch owns the Wall Street Journal, and the New York Post here in New York.
In Washington there's the Washington Times, in Chicago there's the Tribune, in LA there's the the LA Times.

Every major market seems to have a major conservative newspaper.

Seems pretty balanced to me.

LA TImes is a very left leaning newspaper. But, here is a study done by UCLA.
Media Bias Is Real, Finds a UCLA-Led Study

 

[Meister]

Looks at the television stations over the last election...again the deaf dumb and blind scenario.
Look at the radio stations all across the nation, again the deaf dumb and blind scenario.

Vast generalizations without a shred of evidence to back them up.

You can go on saying "the Media is liberal" until you're blue in the face, it doesn't prove a thing, except that you like to make unproven accusations.

Check out my previous post for some proven accusations

By the way...I was agreeing with your post that radio stations do lean to the right....no argument there. But, I'm just saying each field has a bias left or right.

 

[Chris]

When polled in a national poll to name the greatest Canadian in history, Canadians chose the man who developed their healthcare system, Tommy Douglas....

The Greatest Canadian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[PoliticalChic]

How many Americans don't have healthcare at all?
How many Americans are happy with the healthcare they have?

Among insured Americans, 82 percent rate their health coverage positively. Among insured people who've experienced a serious or chronic illness or injury in their family in the last year, an enormous 91 percent are satisfied with their care, and 86 percent are satisfied with their coverage.
ABCNEWS.com : U.S. Health Care Concerns Increase

“…when one digs deep enough, one finds that only 8 million folks can be classified as "chronically uninsured;" that's still a problem, of course, but a much more manageable one, and puts the lie to the canard that our system is irretrievably broken.”
InsureBlog: Vindicated!

“Once you whittle it down, you start to realize that the number of hard-core uninsured who are citizens is in fact fairly small — perhaps half the reported 47 million or less. (about 7.6%)”
IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily -- The '47 Million Uninsured' Myth


Enlightened?

no I'm not....and nobody else should be either when you are citing a poll conducted on less than 5000 people on a media call list like it's a real indicator of how all Americans feel....... ABC - they should stick to T.V shows like Full House

Thank you for carefully observing rules #2, 3, 4, and 9 of the Liberal Libretto

Through skillful machinations, I was able to get my hands on the (apocryphal) “Liberal Libretto”, as ratified by Saul Alinsky.
Actually, I pointed over a libs shoulder and shouted ‘watch out’ and grabbed the book.

Here is the full set for you to review.

1. Always be the first to accuse, and make certain to accuse the opponent of exactly what you are doing.

2. Refuse to accept the statements of any opposing view, from individuals or media, unless reliably liberal.

3. Always assure the opposition that you know what is better for the proletariat, even if there are polls that claim the opposite.
a. Assure the compliant that you are only looking out for their best interests, as in “look, it’s not about me…”
b. Claim the public has been ‘brainwashed,’ and politicians bought.

4. Be sure to you carry your ‘concern’ as though it was a hypodermic needle, but one filled with poison. Furrow your brow, look vaguely sad, (think Leon Panetta) but watch for opportunities to stab, to use abusive language, using your (imagined) superiority to allow you to do violence to the reputation of those who have alternative views.

5. If you find yourself in a debating ‘box,’ where the true answer will sink a liberal talking point, either
a. Claim that the question is ‘above my pay grade.’
b. Look astounded, and claim that the questioner is a racist, sexist or homophobe. Or fascist, or, always good, nazi.
c. Make up any term as opprobrium, as long as it sounds ominous.
d. Learn phrases such as ‘it’s time to move on,” or ‘let’s put this behind us.”
e. If all else fails, shrug your shoulders and say “ I’m only interested in discourse.”

6. Claim to misunderstand, obfuscate, deflect and change the subject, and, if all else fails, allege that you misspoke.
a. Remember, left-wingers may make a ‘mistake,’ for right-wingers, it is a lie!
b. When relating a series of events that lead to a conclusion, if it is a right-wing conclusion, we must never see the connection!
c. Any exposure of detrimental information must be referred to as either ‘fear-tactics,’ or ‘red-baiting.’

7. Never, never criticize in any way any government or movement that is totalitarian, homicidal or anti-American.
a. Claim to idolize despots and tyrants. But always state how their people love them.
b. The corollary applies: never support traditional American values. Important terms: imperialist, oppressor
c. Deny atrocities by tyrants. If not possible, explain they were necessary. Finally, justify them, and, show how America was ultimately at fault.
d. Support government officials and appointees.
I. This does not apply to uniformed government employees such as police or military.

8. Remember to spend appropriate time in front of the mirror practicing outrage, shock, and disbelief, or, and best, a sarcastic sneer.

9. Remember, as a liberal, you never have to apologize, be accurate, nor have any knowledge. No matter how many times your talking points are shown to be wrong, continue to repeat them.

10. Remember the gullible and grumbling always identify with vague terms like ‘hope’ ‘change’ ‘new’ ‘empathy’ and ‘better.’


Both Saul, and, I'm sure, the Public School Education System, are very, very proud of you.

 

[Vast LWC]

Japan Life Expectancy / World rank:

82.6 / 1

Sweden Life Expectancy / World rank:

80.9 / 7

France Life Expectancy / World rank:

80.7 / 10

Canada Life Expectancy / World rank:

80.7 / 11

US Life Expectancy:

78.2 / 38

Source: The United Nations Population Prospects, 2006 revision

The numbers don't lie.

 

[Jay Canuck]

But despite the large number of uninsured, cancer patients in the United States are most likely to be screened regularly

So, let me see if I have this straight.

The US beats Canada in ONE disease (cancer) by 3-4%? Wow, that sure proves your point that American health care is way better than Canadian...

And what's the reason for that? Early Detection! And what would help save even more lives through early detection? That's right, everyone having health insurance!

But aside from that, there is no good point to your entire argument, as no-one is currently suggesting full universal health-care in our government right now.

The current plan is to provide a public option as far as health insurance is concerned, to drive down prices, which have been steadily increasing over the past few decades, contrary to what free-market theory dictates should have happened.

Never mind. You are clearly too stupid to have a debate with. Have a nice day.

of course that extra 3-4% who survived cancer in the US had to pay for treatment and ended up homeless as a result.

 

[PoliticalChic]

How come your Super Girl avatar doesn't have a huge adams apple?

And that gives you partial credit for rule #8!