Keystone pipeline

[Dubya]

Tbe Keystone XL pipeline was fine where it stood originally.

The threat to land and water is not from crude oil or natural gas, but from agriculture itself...

Running Dry on the Great Plains

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/01/opinion/polluting-the-ogallala-aquifer.html?_r=0

Where has the Keystone XL pipeline stood? Was it on paper?

 

[Mr. H.]

Tell me about the Alberta Clipper. Since you've studied it, fool.

 

[Mr. H.]

Here ya go, fuck for naught...

Permit for Alberta Clipper Pipeline Issued

 

[bayoubill]

w00t...!

up all night...

arguing the finer points with folks who will never be convinced to come around to your point of view...

what's the point of this futile exercise...?

 

[tinydancer]

This shows how many pipelines already cross Nebraska and yes cross the aquifer. Nuff said. This has been a dog and pony show from the get go. Great article.

On the Ogallala Aquifer – The Expert and The Activist

Interesting piece in the Washington Post – detailing the sharp differences over whether the Keystone XL pipeline will impact the Ogallala aquifer as it crosses Nebraska.

On one side: activist Jane Kleeb, who believes the pipeline would endanger the primary water supply to the Great Plains. On the other: University of Nebraska professor emeritus James Goecke, who has studied the aquifer for more than three decades.

The Post notes that Kleeb is a “savvy activist” who moved to Nebraska in 2007. Goecke is a hydrogeologist, the Post reports, who has been “measuring water tables in Nebraska’s ecologically sensitive Sand Hills region since 1970 …”

Kleeb tells the newspaper that if the Keystone XL leaked, “oil could quickly seep into and through the porous, sandy soil.” The Ogallala is a “very fragile ecosystem, literally made of sand,” she says. “To have a pipeline crossing that region is just mind-boggling.”

Mind-boggling to Kleeb, perhaps, but the fact is that thousands of miles of other pipelines already cross the Ogallala (in pink) in Nebraska, as shown below:

On the Ogallala Aquifer ? The Expert and The Activist | Blog | Energy Tomorrow

 

[bayoubill]

This shows how many pipelines already cross Nebraska and yes cross the aquifer. Nuff said. This has been a dog and pony show from the get go. Great article.

On the Ogallala Aquifer – The Expert and The Activist

Interesting piece in the Washington Post – detailing the sharp differences over whether the Keystone XL pipeline will impact the Ogallala aquifer as it crosses Nebraska.

On one side: activist Jane Kleeb, who believes the pipeline would endanger the primary water supply to the Great Plains. On the other: University of Nebraska professor emeritus James Goecke, who has studied the aquifer for more than three decades.

The Post notes that Kleeb is a “savvy activist” who moved to Nebraska in 2007. Goecke is a hydrogeologist, the Post reports, who has been “measuring water tables in Nebraska’s ecologically sensitive Sand Hills region since 1970 …”

Kleeb tells the newspaper that if the Keystone XL leaked, “oil could quickly seep into and through the porous, sandy soil.” The Ogallala is a “very fragile ecosystem, literally made of sand,” she says. “To have a pipeline crossing that region is just mind-boggling.”

Mind-boggling to Kleeb, perhaps, but the fact is that thousands of miles of other pipelines already cross the Ogallala (in pink) in Nebraska, as shown below:

On the Ogallala Aquifer ? The Expert and The Activist | Blog | Energy Tomorrow

not to mention, if such arguments were valid, we down here in Louisiana woulda been environmentally fucked beyond all repair long ago...

in reality, the actions related to drilling, transport and refiling are relatively tame, environmentally speaking... the economic benefits of such actions greatly outweigh, on an exponential scale, any environmental cost...

a bigger concern is all the crap you folks up north flush down the Mississippi River, creating a dead zone just off our coast in the Gulf of Mexico... a piece of water real estate the size of Nebraska... there's absolutely no economic benefit to be had for us to accept your crap...

 

[bayoubill]

ALL the anti-pipeline-environmentalists have yet to answer this simple question:

If a one million barrel oil tanker travels one mile on the ocean how much oil would travel in one mile of the Keystone pipeline?

Another way of looking at it which has a better chance of damaging more environment 1 million barrels traveling one mile in an oil tanker,
or ______ barrels traveling one mile in a pipeline???

great statistical analogy that should show the environmentalists for what they are... dumbfuck reactionaries with their heads up their asses, with no sense of reality...

I 'spect an unbiased statistical analysis would provide results similar to the one that shows air travel being exponentially safer than travel in an automobile...

 

[Mr. H.]

ALL the anti-pipeline-environmentalists have yet to answer this simple question:

If a one million barrel oil tanker travels one mile on the ocean how much oil would travel in one mile of the Keystone pipeline?

Another way of looking at it which has a better chance of damaging more environment 1 million barrels traveling one mile in an oil tanker,
or ______ barrels traveling one mile in a pipeline???

great statistical analogy that should show the environmentalists for what they are... dumbfuck reactionaries with their heads up their asses, with no sense of reality...

I 'spect an unbiased statistical analysis would provide results similar to the one that shows air travel being exponentially safer than travel in an automobile...

If there's a music video to illustrate the above, bill will find it.

 

[Mr. H.]

Tbe Keystone XL pipeline was fine where it stood originally.

The threat to land and water is not from crude oil or natural gas, but from agriculture itself...

Running Dry on the Great Plains

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/01/opinion/polluting-the-ogallala-aquifer.html?_r=0

Where has the Keystone XL pipeline stood? Was it on paper?

I'm not sure of what you're asking here, D.

 

[Redfish]

ALL the anti-pipeline-environmentalists have yet to answer this simple question:

If a one million barrel oil tanker travels one mile on the ocean how much oil would travel in one mile of the Keystone pipeline?

Another way of looking at it which has a better chance of damaging more environment 1 million barrels traveling one mile in an oil tanker,
or ______ barrels traveling one mile in a pipeline???

Don't you understand? all oil is evil. we must stop using that evil fuel, coal is even more evil. we must power the nation on wind and sun and corn juice. wind and sun powered 18 wheelers are the transport of the future. screw tacos, use all corn for ethanol--------oops didn't brazil try that and are now going balls to the wall producing oil?

The left wing envirowackos are not interested in facts, they are only interesting in hating something or someone.

 

[jon_berzerk]

ALL the anti-pipeline-environmentalists have yet to answer this simple question:

If a one million barrel oil tanker travels one mile on the ocean how much oil would travel in one mile of the Keystone pipeline?

Another way of looking at it which has a better chance of damaging more environment 1 million barrels traveling one mile in an oil tanker,
or ______ barrels traveling one mile in a pipeline???

Don't you understand? all oil is evil. we must stop using that evil fuel, coal is even more evil. we must power the nation on wind and sun and corn juice. wind and sun powered 18 wheelers are the transport of the future. screw tacos, use all corn for ethanol--------oops didn't brazil try that and are now going balls to the wall producing oil?

The left wing envirowackos are not interested in facts, they are only interesting in hating something or someone.

money is even more evil

you should see all the people

in these parts rolling around

in all that evil because

of the oil boom

--LOL

the keystone pipeline would actually make the transfer of oil

in these parts more safe

currently it is being hauled by trucks

and warren buffetts trains

go figure

 

[KissMy]

Tbe Keystone XL pipeline was fine where it stood originally.

The threat to land and water is not from crude oil or natural gas, but from agriculture itself...

Running Dry on the Great Plains

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/01/opinion/polluting-the-ogallala-aquifer.html?_r=0

Where has the Keystone XL pipeline stood? Was it on paper?

You are such an idiot! The shortest route is the most environmentally friendly route. It requires fewer natural resources to build. It disrupts the least amount of environment. It disrupts the least amount of land. It uses less energy to transport oil. It has less exposure to damage & environment impact. It can be better inspected, maintained & guarded against environmental catastrophe.

 

[sfcalifornia]

ALL the anti-pipeline-environmentalists have yet to answer this simple question:

If a one million barrel oil tanker travels one mile on the ocean how much oil would travel in one mile of the Keystone pipeline?

Another way of looking at it which has a better chance of damaging more environment 1 million barrels traveling one mile in an oil tanker,
or ______ barrels traveling one mile in a pipeline???

How's this for another way of looking at it: scrap the pipeline, invest the money in clean, renewable energy and get off filthy oil altogether.

 

[sfcalifornia]

Tbe Keystone XL pipeline was fine where it stood originally.

The threat to land and water is not from crude oil or natural gas, but from agriculture itself...

Running Dry on the Great Plains

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/01/opinion/polluting-the-ogallala-aquifer.html?_r=0

Where has the Keystone XL pipeline stood? Was it on paper?

You are such an idiot! The shortest route is the most environmentally friendly route. It requires fewer natural resources to build. It disrupts the least amount of environment. It disrupts the least amount of land. It uses less energy to transport oil. It has less exposure to damage & environment impact. It can be better inspected, maintained & guarded against environmental catastrophe.

The most environmentally friendly route is no pipeline at all.

 

[Redfish]

ALL the anti-pipeline-environmentalists have yet to answer this simple question:

If a one million barrel oil tanker travels one mile on the ocean how much oil would travel in one mile of the Keystone pipeline?

Another way of looking at it which has a better chance of damaging more environment 1 million barrels traveling one mile in an oil tanker,
or ______ barrels traveling one mile in a pipeline???

How's this for another way of looking at it: scrap the pipeline, invest the money in clean, renewable energy and get off filthy oil altogether.

OK, give us one "clean renewable" fuel that will power an 18 wheeler across the country, one that will power a train across the country or one that will power a plane across the country-----------we just need one, we'll be waiting. and remember, ethanol is not clean.

 

[Redfish]

Where has the Keystone XL pipeline stood? Was it on paper?

You are such an idiot! The shortest route is the most environmentally friendly route. It requires fewer natural resources to build. It disrupts the least amount of environment. It disrupts the least amount of land. It uses less energy to transport oil. It has less exposure to damage & environment impact. It can be better inspected, maintained & guarded against environmental catastrophe.

The most environmentally friendly route is no pipeline at all.

yes, and all humans should live in the woods and eat leaves-------you are an idiot

 

[healthmyths]

ALL the anti-pipeline-environmentalists have yet to answer this simple question:

If a one million barrel oil tanker travels one mile on the ocean how much oil would travel in one mile of the Keystone pipeline?

Another way of looking at it which has a better chance of damaging more environment 1 million barrels traveling one mile in an oil tanker,
or ______ barrels traveling one mile in a pipeline???

How's this for another way of looking at it: scrap the pipeline, invest the money in clean, renewable energy and get off filthy oil altogether.

You mean like these our govt. has invested in???
So far, 34 companies that were offered federal support from taxpayers are faltering — either having gone bankrupt or laying off workers or heading for bankruptcy. This list includes only those companies that received federal money from the Obama Administration’s Department of Energy and other agencies.

The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:
Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

*Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.
President Obama's Taxpayer-Backed Green Energy Failures

OH and by the way.. did I mention ALL of the above FUNDS came from TAXPAYERS including those filthy OIL companies???

 

[sfcalifornia]

ALL the anti-pipeline-environmentalists have yet to answer this simple question:

If a one million barrel oil tanker travels one mile on the ocean how much oil would travel in one mile of the Keystone pipeline?

Another way of looking at it which has a better chance of damaging more environment 1 million barrels traveling one mile in an oil tanker,
or ______ barrels traveling one mile in a pipeline???

How's this for another way of looking at it: scrap the pipeline, invest the money in clean, renewable energy and get off filthy oil altogether.

OK, give us one "clean renewable" fuel that will power an 18 wheeler across the country, one that will power a train across the country or one that will power a plane across the country-----------we just need one, we'll be waiting. and remember, ethanol is not clean.

LOL

Only an idiot like you is incapable of thinking outside your boxed-in little world. I didn't say I had the answer but we one thing's for certain, the answer to our future energy sources doesn't lie in depleting our natural resources while filthing up our environment.

 

[KissMy]

Where has the Keystone XL pipeline stood? Was it on paper?

You are such an idiot! The shortest route is the most environmentally friendly route. It requires fewer natural resources to build. It disrupts the least amount of environment. It disrupts the least amount of land. It uses less energy to transport oil. It has less exposure to damage & environment impact. It can be better inspected, maintained & guarded against environmental catastrophe.

The most environmentally friendly route is no pipeline at all.

No Keystone pipeline is far more damaging to the environment than building it.

If you have a problem with Canada's Dirty Tar Sand Oil or Bakken Oil then you should take that up with them. They will still produce it with out the pipeline but it will negatively impact the environment & our economy much more.

 

[sfcalifornia]

ALL the anti-pipeline-environmentalists have yet to answer this simple question:

If a one million barrel oil tanker travels one mile on the ocean how much oil would travel in one mile of the Keystone pipeline?

Another way of looking at it which has a better chance of damaging more environment 1 million barrels traveling one mile in an oil tanker,
or ______ barrels traveling one mile in a pipeline???

How's this for another way of looking at it: scrap the pipeline, invest the money in clean, renewable energy and get off filthy oil altogether.

You mean like these our govt. has invested in???
So far, 34 companies that were offered federal support from taxpayers are faltering — either having gone bankrupt or laying off workers or heading for bankruptcy. This list includes only those companies that received federal money from the Obama Administration’s Department of Energy and other agencies.

The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:
Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

*Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.
President Obama's Taxpayer-Backed Green Energy Failures

OH and by the way.. did I mention ALL of the above FUNDS came from TAXPAYERS including those filthy OIL companies???

So tell me where the hell I said it was the GOVERNMENT who needed to invest in renewables?

And just because these companies failed means we're stuck on oil forever? No R and D ever again?

Conservatives are so afraid of change.