Keystone pipeline

[tinydancer]

ALL the anti-pipeline-environmentalists have yet to answer this simple question:

If a one million barrel oil tanker travels one mile on the ocean how much oil would travel in one mile of the Keystone pipeline?

Another way of looking at it which has a better chance of damaging more environment 1 million barrels traveling one mile in an oil tanker,
or ______ barrels traveling one mile in a pipeline???

How's this for another way of looking at it: scrap the pipeline, invest the money in clean, renewable energy and get off filthy oil altogether.

How did all those clean energy projects work out like Solyndra?

I think the statistic was 80% of taxpayers dollars went to Obama backers. 19 or 20 companies have already gone bust.

Ah found a great link. Here's part of the article.

For those who only hear about these failing companies one by one, the following is a list of all the clean energy companies supported by President Obama’s stimulus that are now failing or have filed for bankruptcy. The liberal media hopes you’ve forgotten about all of them except Solyndra, but we haven’t.

Evergreen Solar
SpectraWatt
Solyndra (received $535 million)
Beacon Power (received $43 million)
AES’ subsidiary Eastern Energy
Nevada Geothermal (received $98.5 million)
SunPower (received $1.5 billion)
First Solar (received $1.46 billion)
Babcock & Brown (an Australian company which received $178 million)
Ener1 (subsidiary EnerDel received $118.5 million)
Amonix (received 5.9 million)
The National Renewable Energy Lab
Fisker Automotive
Abound Solar (received $400 million)
Chevy Volt (taxpayers basically own GM)
Solar Trust of America
A123 Systems (received $279 million)
Willard & Kelsey Solar Group (received $6 million)
Johnson Controls (received $299 million)
Schneider Electric (received $86 million)

That’s 19 (that we know of so far). We also know that loans went to foreign clean energy companies (Fisker sent money to their overseas plant to develop an electric car), and that 80% of these loans went to President Obama’s campaign donors.

Great money laundering scheme. Tax payers dollars going back to Obama's buddies.

GREEN SCAM: 80% of Green Energy Loans Went to Obama Donors ? 19 Companies Went Bust (Video) | The Gateway Pundit

 

[KissMy]

OK, give us one "clean renewable" fuel that will power an 18 wheeler across the country, one that will power a train across the country or one that will power a plane across the country-----------we just need one, we'll be waiting. and remember, ethanol is not clean.

Reading propaganda studies from bias university professors funded by big oil does not change reality. Ethanol (even corn ethanol up to 25% of our gasoline usage) is cleaner & has a higher EROEI than Canada Tar Sands Oil. Believing otherwise only proves how effectively you can be brainwashed. But we can't produce close to enough bio-fuel to replace oil unless we start harvesting algae from the Gulf.

 

[Redfish]

How's this for another way of looking at it: scrap the pipeline, invest the money in clean, renewable energy and get off filthy oil altogether.

OK, give us one "clean renewable" fuel that will power an 18 wheeler across the country, one that will power a train across the country or one that will power a plane across the country-----------we just need one, we'll be waiting. and remember, ethanol is not clean.

LOL

Only an idiot like you is incapable of thinking outside your boxed-in little world. I didn't say I had the answer but we one thing's for certain, the answer to our future energy sources doesn't lie in depleting our natural resources while filthing up our environment.

until something else is discovered, and we all hope for that day, the world will run on oil, gas and coal. to pretend otherwise is the height of stupidity.

 

[Redfish]

OK, give us one "clean renewable" fuel that will power an 18 wheeler across the country, one that will power a train across the country or one that will power a plane across the country-----------we just need one, we'll be waiting. and remember, ethanol is not clean.

Reading propaganda studies from bias university professors funded by big oil does not change reality. Ethanol (even corn ethanol up to 25% of our gasoline usage) is cleaner & has a higher EROEI than Canada Tar Sands Oil. Believing otherwise only proves how effectively you can be brainwashed. But we can't produce close to enough bio-fuel to replace oil unless we start harvesting algae from the Gulf.

algae from the gulf, sure.

how many processing facilities exist, how may algae stations exist, how many cars, trucks,planes and trains will run on algae?

Yes, we need to be looking at all alternatives, but let the free market do it. let the profit motive find the solutions. the govt never does anything right.

 

[sfcalifornia]

OK, give us one "clean renewable" fuel that will power an 18 wheeler across the country, one that will power a train across the country or one that will power a plane across the country-----------we just need one, we'll be waiting. and remember, ethanol is not clean.

Reading propaganda studies from bias university professors funded by big oil does not change reality. Ethanol (even corn ethanol up to 25% of our gasoline usage) is cleaner & has a higher EROEI than Canada Tar Sands Oil. Believing otherwise only proves how effectively you can be brainwashed. But we can't produce close to enough bio-fuel to replace oil unless we start harvesting algae from the Gulf.

I'll agree with you on that one.

When oil companies begin investing money in algae ethanol, you know they have to be on to something.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/14/business/energy-environment/14fuel.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

On Tuesday, Exxon plans to announce an investment of $600 million in producing liquid transportation fuels from algae — organisms in water that range from pond scum to seaweed. The biofuel effort involves a partnership with Synthetic Genomics, a biotechnology company founded by the genomics pioneer J. Craig Venter.

 

[tinydancer]

Where has the Keystone XL pipeline stood? Was it on paper?

You are such an idiot! The shortest route is the most environmentally friendly route. It requires fewer natural resources to build. It disrupts the least amount of environment. It disrupts the least amount of land. It uses less energy to transport oil. It has less exposure to damage & environment impact. It can be better inspected, maintained & guarded against environmental catastrophe.

The most environmentally friendly route is no pipeline at all.

That's one of the most stupid enviro weenie talking points ever.

Oh and considering this is just another phase of the Keystone project, I have to ask where were all the protestors before this phase?

Or all of these. This is a bullshit dog and pony show.

Google Image Result for http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/north_america_pipelines_map.jpg

 

[Redfish]

OK, give us one "clean renewable" fuel that will power an 18 wheeler across the country, one that will power a train across the country or one that will power a plane across the country-----------we just need one, we'll be waiting. and remember, ethanol is not clean.

Reading propaganda studies from bias university professors funded by big oil does not change reality. Ethanol (even corn ethanol up to 25% of our gasoline usage) is cleaner & has a higher EROEI than Canada Tar Sands Oil. Believing otherwise only proves how effectively you can be brainwashed. But we can't produce close to enough bio-fuel to replace oil unless we start harvesting algae from the Gulf.

I'll agree with you on that one.

When oil companies begin investing money in algae ethanol, you know they have to be on to something.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/14/business/energy-environment/14fuel.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

On Tuesday, Exxon plans to announce an investment of $600 million in producing liquid transportation fuels from algae — organisms in water that range from pond scum to seaweed. The biofuel effort involves a partnership with Synthetic Genomics, a biotechnology company founded by the genomics pioneer J. Craig Venter.

when the technology makes it profitable, everyone will be into it. the problem with you leftists is that you just want to mandate it before it is viable and to punish poor people with high gas prices in the meantime.

 

[sfcalifornia]

OK, give us one "clean renewable" fuel that will power an 18 wheeler across the country, one that will power a train across the country or one that will power a plane across the country-----------we just need one, we'll be waiting. and remember, ethanol is not clean.

LOL

Only an idiot like you is incapable of thinking outside your boxed-in little world. I didn't say I had the answer but we one thing's for certain, the answer to our future energy sources doesn't lie in depleting our natural resources while filthing up our environment.

until something else is discovered, and we all hope for that day, the world will run on oil, gas and coal. to pretend otherwise is the height of stupidity.

The height of stupidity is being penny-wise, pound foolish and continuing to spend billions of dollars on short-term, archaic fuel sources. Time to invest billions of dollars in the long term.

 

[sfcalifornia]

You are such an idiot! The shortest route is the most environmentally friendly route. It requires fewer natural resources to build. It disrupts the least amount of environment. It disrupts the least amount of land. It uses less energy to transport oil. It has less exposure to damage & environment impact. It can be better inspected, maintained & guarded against environmental catastrophe.

The most environmentally friendly route is no pipeline at all.

That's one of the most stupid enviro weenie talking points ever.

Oh and considering this is just another phase of the Keystone project, I have to ask where were all the protestors before this phase?

Or all of these. This is a bullshit dog and pony show.

Google Image Result for http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/north_america_pipelines_map.jpg

Really? You'd have to be living in a cave if you think the Keystone Pipeline is the first pipeline protest ever.

 

[sfcalifornia]

Reading propaganda studies from bias university professors funded by big oil does not change reality. Ethanol (even corn ethanol up to 25% of our gasoline usage) is cleaner & has a higher EROEI than Canada Tar Sands Oil. Believing otherwise only proves how effectively you can be brainwashed. But we can't produce close to enough bio-fuel to replace oil unless we start harvesting algae from the Gulf.

I'll agree with you on that one.

When oil companies begin investing money in algae ethanol, you know they have to be on to something.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/14/business/energy-environment/14fuel.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

On Tuesday, Exxon plans to announce an investment of $600 million in producing liquid transportation fuels from algae — organisms in water that range from pond scum to seaweed. The biofuel effort involves a partnership with Synthetic Genomics, a biotechnology company founded by the genomics pioneer J. Craig Venter.

when the technology makes it profitable, everyone will be into it. the problem with you leftists is that you just want to mandate it before it is viable and to punish poor people with high gas prices in the meantime.

It's happening right in front of your eyes.

Flying Green: Aviation Industry Harnesses Algae for Biofuel - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Algae jet fuel helps power United Airlines flight | SmartPlanet

Continental jet uses Solazyme algae-based biofuel - SFGate