Key Republicans Backing Health Reform

[Immanuel]

I read about this in another thread. The thing is that they support the idea of reform. From what I have read they support the goal of reform. That does not necessarily mean that they support universal healthcare or the President's idea of socialized medicine.

The funny thing is that I don't know of anyone that does not support healthcare reform. We all know that it has to be done. But, the form that it takes is what is up for debate, not whether or not it needs to be done.

Immie

 

[Dr.House]

So you ignore Frist and Bush????
Not really Republicans?

Please, you're just playing juvenile games.

How about some honest discussion - we've seen those who are incapable of it weigh in - how about some REAL discussion?

George W. Bush did not comment on this, according to your article...

Perhaps you should have read the article completely...

 

[nodoginnafight]

I read about this in another thread. The thing is that they support the idea of reform. From what I have read they support the goal of reform. That does not necessarily mean that they support universal healthcare or the President's idea of socialized medicine.

The funny thing is that I don't know of anyone that does not support healthcare reform. We all know that it has to be done. But, the form that it takes is what is up for debate, not whether or not it needs to be done.

Immie

I think that's a decent point. I wonder if the folks whose main interest is political (give a black eye to enhance your party's chances at the polls next time around) or those folks whose main concern is the welfare of our nation will prevail.

There are some legitimate reasons to back or oppose legislation that is on the table. Unfortunately so many among the opposition have focused on lies and scare tactics in pursuit of their own political objections. That means people put a lot less confidence in what they say are the problems in the bill. In THAT respect - legitimate concerns and real give-and-take is replaced by hyper-partisan theatre, name-calling, hyperbole, and posturing. It's the "Boy Who Cried Wolf" scenario. And it's a shame. It actually reduces the chances of a good reform bill.

 

[Xenophon]

Funny thread, not a single GoPer in the house or the senate, but somehow they are key*.

*key=might support barry

 

[veritas]

I'd overhaul it to the landfill. Scrap it entirely. Get rid of health insurance companies.

 

[nodoginnafight]

I'd overhaul it to the landfill. Scrap it entirely. Get rid of health insurance companies.

Would you replace them with something else? Would everyone have to pay out-of-pocket? Would healthcare providers be paid by the government and everyone get "free" care?

 

[Bfgrn]

I also wonder if the Mitch McConnells of the GOP or these more moderate voices will prevail in the struggle for the hearts and minds of the GOP.

Moderate?
Frist let the Democrats walk all over him while he was in the Senate.
Ahnold has pursued a Democratic strategy of tax and spend as governor, giving CA the second worst economy in the nation.
Bloomberg isn't even a Republican, and philosophically never was.

Yeah, these are some real leaders of the GOP. The party needs to follow these nincompoops into electoral obscurity.

Electoral obscurity? You're already THERE! If the GOP continues down the profit and property before people road they're on, obscurity would be the BEST outcome...extinction would be the most likely outcome...

 

[Immanuel]

I also wonder if the Mitch McConnells of the GOP or these more moderate voices will prevail in the struggle for the hearts and minds of the GOP.

Moderate?
Frist let the Democrats walk all over him while he was in the Senate.
Ahnold has pursued a Democratic strategy of tax and spend as governor, giving CA the second worst economy in the nation.
Bloomberg isn't even a Republican, and philosophically never was.

Yeah, these are some real leaders of the GOP. The party needs to follow these nincompoops into electoral obscurity.

Electoral obscurity? You're already THERE! If the GOP continues down the profit and property before people road they're on, obscurity would be the BEST outcome...extinction would be the most likely outcome...

Tell me you are not insinuating that the Dems (political ones) care about people over profit, property and power.

I believe that there are good hearted Democrats and Republicans, Liberals and Conservatives, in all walks of life. But when a person gets to Washington their life changes. Most go to Washington believing they can do good for America and with every intention of doing so, but it is not long before reality sets in.

Immie

 

[nodoginnafight]

I'm just wondering if the Olympia Snow wing or the Sarah Palin wing will eventually prevail.
I don't expect the Sarah Palin wing to support healthcare reform of ANY type because I think they would be too afraid that it would be viewed as an "Obama victory" and they'd happily watch America crumble to avoid that.
But moderates on both sides of the aisle might be persuaded - I guess we will see.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Tell me you are not insinuating that the Dems (political ones) care about people over profit, property and power.

I believe that there are good hearted Democrats and Republicans, Liberals and Conservatives, in all walks of life. But when a person gets to Washington their life changes. Most go to Washington believing they can do good for America and with every intention of doing so, but it is not long before reality sets in.

Immie

You make some very good points immie - I agree that most (regardless of party) are trying to do what they honestly believe is best for America. I just believe that after a while many of them start believeing that the ends justify the means and they can rationalize all sorts of things they vowed they would never do by convincing themselves it is for the greater good.

And I think there is a lot of honest disagreement on how we can best achieve our common goals. There's just a lot of dishonest tactics that too many come to accept as just another part of trying to achieve the bigger goal.

 

[Meister]

The Associated Press: Schwarzenegger supports health overhaul goals

Schwarzenegger supports health overhaul goals
By ERICA WERNER (AP) – 3 hours ago
WASHINGTON — California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger praised President Barack Obama's drive to overhaul the nation's health care system on Tuesday and urged fellow Republicans to join in efforts to finish the job this year.
Although Schwarzenegger stopped short of embracing a Democratic bill, his words of encouragement came on the heels of similar statements from other Republicans outside Congress, including former Senate Republican leader Bill Frist. The White House and Democrats highlighted them as evidence of momentum and division within GOP ranks. Congressional Republicans have been nearly unanimous in opposition to Democratic legislation.
Schwarzenegger, who two years ago tried but failed to pass a universal health care plan in California, said in a statement that he appreciated Obama's partnership with the states and his effort to hold down costs and improve quality. He urged lawmakers from both parties to "move forward and accomplish these vital goals for the American people."
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Schwartzenegger will say whatever Maria tells him to say, she is the one that wears the Fruit Of The Looms in that family. I had high expectations of him when the recall happened. But, he was all talk and no action, he's impotent with the republicans. What he has to say means nothing, as he is more of a socialist than most democrats. His days in the republican party will end with his governorship.

did you really?
i knew he was going to be just as bad as Grey Davis, and he hasn't disappointed on that one

I sure did believe his con, I voted for him. We had a state congress and senate that were heavily democratic, along with a democratic governor, that was taking the great state down a path of higher taxes and heavy spending. Something had to be done, I voted for another person...I think it was Forbes in the primary, but voted Arnie over "Bust"amante, I think that was who was running against him.

 

[Meister]

Arnold's Governor of a state hit extremely hard by the economic crisis and continual natural disasters...they need to do away with our corporate run "deathcare" system which is killing business growth and the government run death penalty system which is bankrupting California...


California

Report of the California Commission on the Fair Administration of Justice

“The additional cost of confining an inmate to death row, as compared to the maximum security prisons where those sentenced to life without possibility of parole ordinarily serve their sentences, is $90,000 per year per inmate. With California’s current death row population of 670, that accounts for $63.3 million annually.”

Using conservative rough projections, the Commission estimates the annual costs of the present (death penalty) system to be $137 million per year.

The cost of the present system with reforms recommended by the Commission to ensure a fair process would be $232.7 million per year.

The cost of a system in which the number of death-eligible crimes was significantly narrowed would be $130 million per year.

The cost of a system which imposes a maximum penalty of lifetime incarceration instead of the death penalty would be $11.5 million per year.

Commission on the Fair Administration of Justice, June 30, 2008).

So it has to do with the prison system that has been the main reason for California and it's problems? I see...

Not the 9 billion dollars a year from illegals
California's Illegal Aliens Cost Taxpayers Nearly $9 Billion A Year : Diggers Realm

Nor the green policies that the democrats and Arnie have pushed through, that are pushing out businesses and business growth in the great state.
Heliogenic Climate Change: Green policies are killing California

 

[Bfgrn]

Moderate?
Frist let the Democrats walk all over him while he was in the Senate.
Ahnold has pursued a Democratic strategy of tax and spend as governor, giving CA the second worst economy in the nation.
Bloomberg isn't even a Republican, and philosophically never was.

Yeah, these are some real leaders of the GOP. The party needs to follow these nincompoops into electoral obscurity.

Electoral obscurity? You're already THERE! If the GOP continues down the profit and property before people road they're on, obscurity would be the BEST outcome...extinction would be the most likely outcome...

Tell me you are not insinuating that the Dems (political ones) care about people over profit, property and power.

I believe that there are good hearted Democrats and Republicans, Liberals and Conservatives, in all walks of life. But when a person gets to Washington their life changes. Most go to Washington believing they can do good for America and with every intention of doing so, but it is not long before reality sets in.

Immie

THAT is exactly what I'm saying... there is no 100% of anything, so stuff the polarized arguments...

Today's GOP has become a party of extremists... conservatives without conscience...

Ted Kennedy worked for people over profit or property his whole career...

 

[Mr. Peepers]

Not the 9 billion dollars a year from illegals
California's Illegal Aliens Cost Taxpayers Nearly $9 Billion A Year : Diggers Realm

Nor the green policies that the democrats and Arnie have pushed through, that are pushing out businesses and business growth in the great state.
Heliogenic Climate Change: Green policies are killing California

So you're using people's blogs to cite as sources, now? Nifty... and one of those blogs looks like it belongs to a sun-centric cult.... Nice.

 

[Avatar4321]

The Governator is a key Republican? How? He's the Governor of California. He doesnt have a single vote in Congress! His opinion doesnt matter at all in the debate. So who cares?

Also, while Arnold may be pretty large and built, he is still only one person.

 

[The Rabbi]

I also wonder if the Mitch McConnells of the GOP or these more moderate voices will prevail in the struggle for the hearts and minds of the GOP.

Moderate?
Frist let the Democrats walk all over him while he was in the Senate.
Ahnold has pursued a Democratic strategy of tax and spend as governor, giving CA the second worst economy in the nation.
Bloomberg isn't even a Republican, and philosophically never was.

Yeah, these are some real leaders of the GOP. The party needs to follow these nincompoops into electoral obscurity.

Electoral obscurity? You're already THERE! If the GOP continues down the profit and property before people road they're on, obscurity would be the BEST outcome...extinction would be the most likely outcome...

Yes, we are there because we elected people like Frist to positions of power.
Profit and property before people? WTF? What do you think the Democrats are all about??

 

[Avatar4321]

THAT is exactly what I'm saying... there is no 100% of anything, so stuff the polarized arguments...

Today's GOP has become a party of extremists... conservatives without conscience...

Ted Kennedy worked for people over profit or property his whole career...

Conservatives without consceince huh? Simply for opposing your bad policies??

Did you even bother reading the original post? Wow what a conservative Arnold is!

Did you ever consider that you are morally wrong by taking away the freedom of people and handing power to corrupt politicians in Washington DC? Of course not, how could you be wrong?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I read the title and thought it was McCain or Graham or Collins or Snowe, then I got to the punchline: Schwarzenegger!

LOL Ah-nold...LOL

Get to the Single payer Systemmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!

 

[nodoginnafight]

Yes, we are there because we elected people like Frist to positions of power.

I thought he wasn't a Republican???? How come Republicans elected a non-Republican as their majority leader?

 

[Dr.House]

Arnold's Healthcare Reform Plan is to just institute an I.O.U. form of payment for all Medical services...

I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a quadruple bypass today....