Keeping it honest

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  1. MaggieMae
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    You may have your own favorite fact-checker, but whatever your choice, it is wise to be vigilant regarding errors or omissions in statements made by the presidential candidates before going off half-cocked and repeating what they say as gospel.

    GOP New Hampshire Debate | FactCheck.org
     
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    We are periodically taking a look at past claims from the 2012 presidential candidates. Today's topic: Michele Bachmann.

    FactChecking Bachmann | FactCheck.org

    Strangely, I think Michele Bachman has suddenly turned into a strong candidate overall.
     
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    Thanks very much for the links. Bachmann has actually told more lies then I gave her credit for. It's such a shame that the Repubs that like her automatically believe everything she says.

    I will be very surprised if she could carry NH. I think that is going to Romney. But she might be able to pick up Iowa. I'm looking forward to the primaries, they might really be very interesting. I really don't see any Repub candidate right now that could beat Obama.
     
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    I am not quite sure how that is dishonest.......:eusa_eh:

    so, what options are open to them for reducing the growth of spending, if 'rationing' is not allowed...

    so, which is it?
     
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    I was watching CNN interview Bachmann and one question Wolfe asked was whether should would be for arresting doctors and nurses for performing abortions. All she would say was that she was against Roe v Wade. I assume the arrests would be if abortion was illegal, and she would not answer that question. She took her time just doing that and in answering a few other questions. At least in taking time to form an answer or not, she is doing better than Palin.

    I have read that she supported the Jimmy Carter's campaign back in the 70's so I am not sure if that will go good with some of the Repubs. The Shuttle: Rep. Michele Bachmann - Daniel Libit - POLITICO.com
     
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    Who owns and operates factcheck.org?

    Factcheck.org is an Annenberg project. OBAMA was the chairman of the Chicago Annenberg project.

    Just sayin'. I googled "who operates factcheck organization? That's what came up.

    It came up on 4 other googled links. The foundation supports a bevy of public broadcasting interests, also. When I think of public broadcasting, Janine Garofalo, unvarying leftist lockstep shill comes to mind.

    At the Annenburg Foundation, the organization chooses to hide behind Republican skirts, claiming that the benefactor, Walter Annenburg, was a Republican. Well, his foundation got hijacked post mortem.
     
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    See the Act, starting page 490.

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    So it seems the winner of a GOP presidential debate is the candidate who can tell the most lies about Obama and healthcare reform. This may work with the rank-and-file, but wonÂ’t wash in the General.
     
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    Lol..go figure.

    Here's some interesting reading for our mob friends:

    "...liberals are a psychological mob. It has to do with their slogans, how they formulate arguments. They get a lot of slogans, whereas conservatives just don't speak in slogans and we don't understand slogans, and for good reason: It's always sort of glib and superficially appealing, but if you stop and actually think about it for five seconds, slogans never make sense. What does it mean to say, "You can't hug a child with nuclear arms," or, "Pro-choice, pro-child." It means nothing, but that is perfect for appealing to a mob. It's simple-minded. Gustave Le Bon, the father of groupthink, said, "Don't ever use logic with a mob. It confuses them."

    "I just started reading everything I could find on mobs, groupthink, herd behavior, riots -- and I'd heard of Gustave Le Bon -- and then finally I read Gustave Le Bon's book, "[ame="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/145382667X?ie=UTF8&tag=theofficiw0c2-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=145382667X"]The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind[/ame]," and it was so clear, so beautiful; and of course he turns out to be the father of groupthink. He's the first one to notice the psychological characteristics of someone behaving in a mob. Not surprisingly, he was French since the first mob revolt certainly in anything resembling modern times is the French Revolution. I date the beginning of liberalism to the French revolution. Just page after page you read through this book, and it's liberals. It's all of their peculiarities. I almost went back and started inserting some of the other statements from the other books I had read into this book to show that it was more than Le Bon, but he was just so clear and so right. In fact, he was so good -- although the book is a warning about mobs -- both Mussolini and Hitler studied his book in order to learn how to incite mobs."

    "What are some of the characteristics of mobs?[​IMG][ame="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0307353486?ie=UTF8&tag=theofficiw0c2-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0307353486"][/ame]COULTER: Myth-making, contradictory thinking, creating messiahs and turning those who disagree with you into opponents, simple-mindedness, inability to grasp logic. You see a lot of this in Weinergate. It's funny, now when I watch liberals on TV, whatever they're doing, I think, "Oh, yeah, that's myth making, and that's contradictory thinking." Last night at the beginning of the Rachel Maddow Show she got a long segment denouncing, of course, in the middle of Weinergate: David Vitter, Senator from Louisiana. He is the only Republican ever caught in a sex scandal who didn't resign immediately or lose his reelection, but of course his scandal was very different from every other one I can think of. The DC madam released his name -- I'm sure there were a lot of Democrats on that same list but their names weren't released -- and what we found out was that seven years earlier he had gone to a prostitute twice; told his wife about it, apologized to her, confessed to her, confessed to God. She has forgiven him, the marriage had continued, and seven years later we find this out. As soon as his name, David Vitter's name was released from the DC madam's list he went straight out, apologized, admitted it; held a press conference. He's standing there with his wife saying, "I told her seven years ago. He didn't turn around and start denouncing the press and claiming he'd been hacked -- and after all of this, this on Rachel Maddow denouncing Vitter as if his sex scandal were somehow worse rather than less bad -- I mean, we do have forgiveness -- this Rachel Maddow concerned with, you know, the misogyny and the ugliness of David Vitter having visited prostitutes seven years before we found out, interviews as her expert interview on this Larry Flynt. He's your expert on misogyny here. "






    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_060911/content/01125111.guest.html
     
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    Do you know who owns PBS, NPR and American Public Media?

    Corporation for Public Broadcasting & Annenberg Foundation to Expand Teacher Professional Development

    The moral of this story is, if you are a Republican who values the founders of this country, and you wish to bestow a gift to keep this nation as the founders intended, which is to say both free enterprise and Bill of Rights freedoms, some bottom feeding liberal is going to be there to put every last dime into shilling for leftist causes, the kind that have promoted the idea to take everything away from anyone who has assets and put them in a common pot where it will be squandered by well meaning "Got to pick a pocket or two" kingpins who grow rich beyond their wildest dreams.
     
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    She has cleaned up her tendency to shoot from the hip with off-the-wall comments. I think hiring Ed Rollins as her campaign advisor has a lot to do with that. He has experience out the wazoo. She's lucky to land him.
     

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