Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[velvtacheeze]

Canada, Australia and the UK all have gun laws that we could rely on as positive foreign models. They are not perfect, and gun crimes exist there, but not to the extent they do here. Guns are everywhere in America, and so is gun violence. It's not some amazing coincidence.

Please don't try and use common sense here. "Why don't you move to Socialist Australia" is the response you should expect shortly.

Still a non-answer. Explain how when any kid can get unlimited pot, which is entirely against the law, gun laws are going to prevent criminals from getting guns which are everywhere inside and outside the country.

How many massacres were carried out by attacking people with marijuana?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

A good first step is registration of all firearms and background checks on ALL gun sales. Even between private parties. This will allow responsible gun owners to continue to own anything they want but will help place responsibility on to people who sell guns to people who shouldn't have them or end up using them for murder/crime.

We can certainly start there.

The problem there is, the state and federal government have a hiant backlog of individuals that need to be added to the systems now. How are they going to manage registering EVERY gun out there? What about those who don't comply? Home searches for weapons?

On top of that, what stops a criminal from stealing someone elses guns? Or paying another "blue collar" criminal to obtain the weapons for a fee?

It's a noble and grand idea, but the implications of it dont hold up. There is no way to register ALL guns. My father in law, who hunts religiously, owns several from long before any of these registrations were necessary. He's not alone either. It solves nothing. Mostly because the state/fed cant handle the job they have now, who is going to do the work to administer this grand idea?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Please don't try and use common sense here. "Why don't you move to Socialist Australia" is the response you should expect shortly.

Still a non-answer. Explain how when any kid can get unlimited pot, which is entirely against the law, gun laws are going to prevent criminals from getting guns which are everywhere inside and outside the country.

How many massacres were carried out by attacking people with marijuana?

Your argument is invalid. But you're LOLberal, so we understand.

 

[Steven_R]

Didn't realize people were being slaughtered daily with books and websites. But other than that, good analogy.

Let's say you get your way and guns are registered which has invariably led to outrght banned because governments don't keep lists unless they intended to use them. Then what? I'm not giving up my guns, so that means someone is going to have to come and take them. Are you willing to kick in my door or will you just send other people to take the risk?

Holy fucking leap you're taking there. Who said anything about taking them. Was your car taken away when you registered it?

We're not talking about cars. We're talking about guns and everytime there has been registration it had led to some form of confiscation and outlawing ownership. They did just that in New Jersey and California by just wanting registration of AR-15s and then came by a few years later and had a list of who actually owned them after those rifles in specific configurations were made illegal.

I'm not taking anyone's word that all government wants is a list but will never do anything with said list.

 

[RDD_1210]

A good first step is registration of all firearms and background checks on ALL gun sales. Even between private parties. This will allow responsible gun owners to continue to own anything they want but will help place responsibility on to people who sell guns to people who shouldn't have them or end up using them for murder/crime.

We can certainly start there.

The problem there is, the state and federal government have a hiant backlog of individuals that need to be added to the systems now. How are they going to manage registering EVERY gun out there? What about those who don't comply? Home searches fgor weapons?

On top of that, what stops a criminal from stealing someone elses guns? Or paying another "blue collar" criminal to obtain the weapons for a fee?

It's a noble and grand idea, but the implications of it dont hold up. There is no way to register ALL guns. My father in law, who hunts religiously, owns several from long before any of these registrations were necessary. He's not alone either. It solves nothing. Mostly because the state/fed cant handle the job they have now, who is going to do the work to administer this grand idea?

It's certainly not an overnight fix and would take some time to see the effectiveness, but if you make the penalty stiff enough by just being found to be in possession of an unregistered gun I think you would convince a lot of people to not take the chance and just register their weapons. If you can highlight that no further restrictions will be placed on gun types, clip size, etc...that responsible gun owners can own then you just may be able to get support from the NRA and those who preach responsible gun ownership.

 

[Yurt]

A good first step is registration of all firearms and background checks on ALL gun sales. Even between private parties. This will allow responsible gun owners to continue to own anything they want but will help place responsibility on to people who sell guns to people who shouldn't have them or end up using them for murder/crime.

We can certainly start there.

thanks for providing a plan.

however, your plan would not work. how do conduct a background check of a private party selling a gun to a friend? currently crimes and deaths have been committed even when a background check is done. it does help, but is not foolproof.

what would registration solve? if i sell my gun to person X, and they use it for a crime, why should i be responsible? a store is not responsible for a dui when someone gets drunk and drives.

 

[Pete7469]

Canada, Australia and the UK all have gun laws that we could rely on as positive foreign models. They are not perfect, and gun crimes exist there, but not to the extent they do here. Guns are everywhere in America, and so is gun violence. It's not some amazing coincidence.

Then move there you anti-american troll asshole.

That's really where I'm at with all the bed wetter parasites.

They love regurgitating this bullshit about how great things are everywhere else the "progressive" bullshit has been enacted.

Well then you fucksticks are coordially invited to get your stupid asses the fuck out of our country. Can we not have JUST ONE fucking country on earth where you assholes can't dictate what we own, how much money we can have, who we worship, or how we celebrate holidays? Can't you disgusting little maggots just fuck off for a while?

 

[RDD_1210]

Let's say you get your way and guns are registered which has invariably led to outrght banned because governments don't keep lists unless they intended to use them. Then what? I'm not giving up my guns, so that means someone is going to have to come and take them. Are you willing to kick in my door or will you just send other people to take the risk?

Holy fucking leap you're taking there. Who said anything about taking them. Was your car taken away when you registered it?

We're not talking about cars. We're talking about guns and everytime there has been registration it had led to some form of confiscation and outlawing ownership. They did just that in New Jersey and California by just wanting registration of AR-15s and then came by a few years later and had a list of who actually owned them after those rifles in specific configurations were made illegal.

I'm not taking anyone's word that all government wants is a list but will never do anything with said list.

How about this, when the government decides to use that list to confiscate all the guns of every American, you let me know and I'll personally fight by your side to prevent that. But you're rejecting suggestions based upon insane what-ifs that any sane person knows will never happen.

 

[martybegan]

Holy fucking leap you're taking there. Who said anything about taking them. Was your car taken away when you registered it?

We're not talking about cars. We're talking about guns and everytime there has been registration it had led to some form of confiscation and outlawing ownership. They did just that in New Jersey and California by just wanting registration of AR-15s and then came by a few years later and had a list of who actually owned them after those rifles in specific configurations were made illegal.

I'm not taking anyone's word that all government wants is a list but will never do anything with said list.

How about this, when the government decides to use that list to confiscate all the guns of every American, you let me know and I'll personally fight by your side to prevent that. But you're rejecting suggestions based upon insane what-ifs that any sane person knows will never happen.

I have a feeling you would pussy out and begin sucking government dick the second they come to your door.

 

[Steven_R]

I'm rejecting registration based on what history has shown government does with registration. It's not some insane what-if when it's happened time and again.

 

[RDD_1210]

A good first step is registration of all firearms and background checks on ALL gun sales. Even between private parties. This will allow responsible gun owners to continue to own anything they want but will help place responsibility on to people who sell guns to people who shouldn't have them or end up using them for murder/crime.

We can certainly start there.

thanks for providing a plan.

however, your plan would not work. how do conduct a background check of a private party selling a gun to a friend? currently crimes and deaths have been committed even when a background check is done. it does help, but is not foolproof.

The private parties could go to a licensed dealer who is authorized to do background checks and pay a small fee for that dealer to authorize the sale and transfer pending a background check

what would registration solve? if i sell my gun to person X, and they use it for a crime, why should i be responsible? a store is not responsible for a dui when someone gets drunk and drives.

It would make it harder to legally purchase a gun if you have a questionable history if you had to register it after getting a background check.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

A good first step is registration of all firearms and background checks on ALL gun sales. Even between private parties. This will allow responsible gun owners to continue to own anything they want but will help place responsibility on to people who sell guns to people who shouldn't have them or end up using them for murder/crime.

We can certainly start there.

The problem there is, the state and federal government have a hiant backlog of individuals that need to be added to the systems now. How are they going to manage registering EVERY gun out there? What about those who don't comply? Home searches fgor weapons?

On top of that, what stops a criminal from stealing someone elses guns? Or paying another "blue collar" criminal to obtain the weapons for a fee?

It's a noble and grand idea, but the implications of it dont hold up. There is no way to register ALL guns. My father in law, who hunts religiously, owns several from long before any of these registrations were necessary. He's not alone either. It solves nothing. Mostly because the state/fed cant handle the job they have now, who is going to do the work to administer this grand idea?

It's certainly not an overnight fix and would take some time to see the effectiveness, but if you make the penalty stiff enough by just being found to be in possession of an unregistered gun I think you would convince a lot of people to not take the chance and just register their weapons. If you can highlight that no further restrictions will be placed on gun types, clip size, etc...that responsible gun owners can own then you just may be able to get support from the NRA and those who preach responsible gun ownership.

OK, that's a partial answer to my questions. What are we going to do about the giant elephant in the room? The administrative work to actually get all therse arms registered, along with all offenders off the backlog for checks?

When NY passed the SAFE Act, there were over 60k offenders still waiting to be placed on the restrictions checks. That number is now much bigger, and on top of that, they now have a giant backlog for registering arms that are required to be so after the passage of the act.

It only sounds good. That's all this type of thing does. Further, it puts a giant load on administration of public employees. Where will the money come from to add the personel required to carry out all that work?

This is why it's just "shootin' the breeze" as it were.

 

[martybegan]

A good first step is registration of all firearms and background checks on ALL gun sales. Even between private parties. This will allow responsible gun owners to continue to own anything they want but will help place responsibility on to people who sell guns to people who shouldn't have them or end up using them for murder/crime.

We can certainly start there.

As soon as we start registering every book you own, every website you visit, and requiring registration for trial by jury or public defense, we will get right on it.

Didn't realize people were being slaughtered daily with books and websites. But other than that, good analogy.

Considering all are consitutional rights, your cavalier attitude about infringing on one should be translated to the others.

Repeal the 2nd amendment first, then you can talk about registration.

 

[Pete7469]

Of course you don't...

You say that liberals don't have an answer. Your answer to gun violence? Do nothing.

So you and liberals both have something in common

Bullshit.

Our plan is simple. Allow people to defend themselves from sociopathic killers. Make sure people are trained to safely and effectively use weapons.

By....doing nothing. Like I said. You and those awful awful liberals both have something in common. Liberals don't know what to do and you say do nothing.

Again, BULLSHIT.

Rolling back your bullshit anti-gun policies is doing something proactive. It would mean sociopathic killers don't have free reign to slaughter people in confined areas. It would mean home owners can blow asshole thugs to hell when they kick down their door or climb through their windows. It would mean women could walk down the street without fear of rape.

You bed wetters want to do NOTHING, because passing ineffective laws accomplishes NOTHING.

 

[Pete7469]

We're not talking about cars. We're talking about guns and everytime there has been registration it had led to some form of confiscation and outlawing ownership. They did just that in New Jersey and California by just wanting registration of AR-15s and then came by a few years later and had a list of who actually owned them after those rifles in specific configurations were made illegal.

I'm not taking anyone's word that all government wants is a list but will never do anything with said list.

How about this, when the government decides to use that list to confiscate all the guns of every American, you let me know and I'll personally fight by your side to prevent that. But you're rejecting suggestions based upon insane what-ifs that any sane person knows will never happen.

I have a feeling you would pussy out and begin sucking government dick the second they come to your door.

He already sucks obozo dick, not much of a stretch.

 

[RDD_1210]

We're not talking about cars. We're talking about guns and everytime there has been registration it had led to some form of confiscation and outlawing ownership. They did just that in New Jersey and California by just wanting registration of AR-15s and then came by a few years later and had a list of who actually owned them after those rifles in specific configurations were made illegal.

I'm not taking anyone's word that all government wants is a list but will never do anything with said list.

How about this, when the government decides to use that list to confiscate all the guns of every American, you let me know and I'll personally fight by your side to prevent that. But you're rejecting suggestions based upon insane what-ifs that any sane person knows will never happen.

I have a feeling you would pussy out and begin sucking government dick the second they come to your door.

Please share your sexual fantasies with someone else.

 

[RDD_1210]

As soon as we start registering every book you own, every website you visit, and requiring registration for trial by jury or public defense, we will get right on it.

Didn't realize people were being slaughtered daily with books and websites. But other than that, good analogy.

Considering all are consitutional rights, your cavalier attitude about infringing on one should be translated to the others.

Repeal the 2nd amendment first, then you can talk about registration.

None of what I suggested prevents anyone responsible from owning a gun.

Keep swinging slugger!

 

[ClosedCaption]

i've asked you for a suggestion and you have yet to give one

Following your lead sweet cheeks

when did you ask me for a suggestion?

oh wait, you didn't liar.

Yes, because this is your first day on this board and we've never met.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Bullshit.

Our plan is simple. Allow people to defend themselves from sociopathic killers. Make sure people are trained to safely and effectively use weapons.

By....doing nothing. Like I said. You and those awful awful liberals both have something in common. Liberals don't know what to do and you say do nothing.

Again, BULLSHIT.

Rolling back your bullshit anti-gun policies is doing something proactive. It would mean sociopathic killers don't have free reign to slaughter people in confined areas. It would mean home owners can blow asshole thugs to hell when they kick down their door or climb through their windows. It would mean women could walk down the street without fear of rape.

You bed wetters want to do NOTHING, because passing ineffective laws accomplishes NOTHING.

Ahh step 2.

Step 1 for all Conservatives: Be Anti...Anti whatever is happening

Step 2: Get rid of the thing they are Anti about...

Step 3: Swear that something good will come later but don't bother explaining just give promises

 

[Bern80]

Canada, Australia and the UK all have gun laws that we could rely on as positive foreign models. They are not perfect, and gun crimes exist there, but not to the extent they do here. Guns are everywhere in America, and so is gun violence. It's not some amazing coincidence.

Please don't try and use common sense here. "Why don't you move to Socialist Australia" is the response you should expect shortly.

Common sense?! There is exactly ZERO sense in focusing on the availability of an inanimate object as a means of preventing violence. You people who claim to be so interested in the death of innocents need to get your priorties straight. Do you know how many other inanimate objects there are in this country that are involved in more deaths than guns. Only about a dozen. Cars cause far more deaths, yet we don't feel the need to have a national referendum on the safety of cars or talk about banning them, or blame Ford motor company every time a drunk kills someone.

If it were true that guns cause violence and death then I should have been surrounded by violence and death from guns growing up. I grew up in a rural neighborhood in northern Minnesota. Well not very populace, almost everyone hunts, and has multiple guns. It is not an exaggeration to say I was probably within a half mile of hundreds of guns growing up. Yet no deaths, not even an accident, being surrounded by that many guns. By contrast some kid growing up in a ghetto may be surrounded by the same amount of firearms or maybe less and see death and gun violance all the time. If you notice the differene is not the guns. They are the constant. It's the environment and the people that are different. That is way focusing on guns does nothing to stop violence. Our country does not have a gun violence problem so much as it has a culture of violence problem. You need to focus on people to fix that. Not inanimate objects.