Kabul Has Fallen - But Don't Blame Biden

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With so much topical content with regard to the recent pullout from Afghanistan, particularly the flow of pro-imperialist propaganda that seems to be following, a good dose of reality is likely in order.


Copyright © 2021 by RonPaul Institute. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit and a live link are given.


This weekend the US experienced another “Saigon moment,” this time in Afghanistan. After a 20 year war that drained trillions from Americans’ pockets, the capital of Afghanistan fell without a fight. The corrupt Potemkin regime that the US had been propping up for two decades and the Afghan military that we had spent billions training just melted away.

The rush is on now to find somebody to blame for the chaos in Afghanistan. Many of the “experts” doing the finger-pointing are the ones most to blame. Politicians and pundits who played cheerleader for this war for two decades are now rushing to blame President Biden for finally getting the US out. Where were they when succeeding presidents continued to add troops and expand the mission in Afghanistan?

The US war on Afghanistan was not lost yesterday in Kabul. It was lost the moment it shifted from a limited mission to apprehend those who planned the attack on 9/11 to an exercise in regime change and nation-building.

Immediately after the 9/11 attacks I proposed that we issue letters of marque and reprisal to bring those responsible to justice. But such a limited and targeted response to the attack was ridiculed at the time. How could the US war machine and all its allied profiteers make their billions if we didn’t put on a massive war?

So who is to blame for the scenes from Afghanistan this weekend? There is plenty to go around.

Congress has kicked the can down the road for 20 years, continuing to fund the Afghan war long after even they understood that there was no point to the US occupation. There were some efforts by some Members to end the war, but most, on a bipartisan basis, just went along to get along.

The generals and other high-ranking military officers lied to their commander-in-chief and to the American people for years about progress in Afghanistan. The same is true for the US intelligence agencies. Unless there is a major purge of those who lied and misled, we can count on these disasters to continue until the last US dollar goes up in smoke.

The military industrial complex spent 20 years on the gravy train with the Afghanistan war. They built missiles, they built tanks, they built aircraft and helicopters. They hired armies of lobbyists and think tank writers to continue the lie that was making them rich. They wrapped their graft up in the American flag, but they are the opposite of patriots.

The mainstream media has uncritically repeated the propaganda of the military and political leaders about Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and all the other pointless US interventions. Many of these outlets are owned by defense industry-connected companies. The corruption is deep.

American citizens must also share some blame. Until more Americans rise up and demand a pro-America, non-interventionist foreign policy they will continue to get fleeced by war profiteers.

Political control in Afghanistan has returned to the people who fought against those they viewed as occupiers and for what they viewed as their homeland. That is the real lesson, but don’t expect it to be understood in Washington. War is too profitable and political leaders are too cowardly to go against the tide.

But the lesson is clear for anyone wishing to see it: the US global military empire is a grave threat to the United States and its future.
 
Biden essentially admitted to George Step....that he knew that this would happen.....but he didn't care. He claimed that intel reports said Kabul would fall by the end of the year....when he claimed last month that it would never happen.
Which is the truth?
 
I think the most fair way to settle things is to have every single person in congress and the White House resign. They can all take the blame equally, republicans and demonrats.

Then never let anybody who has ever served in Congress run again.



What a dream….
 
Politicians and pundits who played cheerleader for this war for two decades are now rushing to blame President Biden for finally getting the US out. Where were they when succeeding presidents continued to add troops and expand the mission in Afghanistan?

Exactly

After 9-11 neither the press nor elected officials dared to question Bush invading Afghanistan as part of the War on Terror.

No other alternatives were provided other than to invade Afghanistan and create a government in our image.

Afghanistan was relatively easy to conquer, impossible to govern

We never had a chance
 
Exactly

After 9-11 neither the press nor elected officials dared to question Bush invading Afghanistan as part of the War on Terror.

No other alternatives were provided other than to invade Afghanistan and create a government in our image.

Afghanistan was relatively easy to conquer, impossible to govern

We never had a chance
So because Bush was awful Biden had to follow suit? Not his fault we are or were there but his fault on the optics of the awful withdrawal
 
With so much topical content with regard to the recent pullout from Afghanistan, particularly the flow of pro-imperialist propaganda that seems to be following, a good dose of reality is likely in order.


Copyright © 2021 by RonPaul Institute. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit and a live link are given.


This weekend the US experienced another “Saigon moment,” this time in Afghanistan. After a 20 year war that drained trillions from Americans’ pockets, the capital of Afghanistan fell without a fight. The corrupt Potemkin regime that the US had been propping up for two decades and the Afghan military that we had spent billions training just melted away.

The rush is on now to find somebody to blame for the chaos in Afghanistan. Many of the “experts” doing the finger-pointing are the ones most to blame. Politicians and pundits who played cheerleader for this war for two decades are now rushing to blame President Biden for finally getting the US out. Where were they when succeeding presidents continued to add troops and expand the mission in Afghanistan?

The US war on Afghanistan was not lost yesterday in Kabul. It was lost the moment it shifted from a limited mission to apprehend those who planned the attack on 9/11 to an exercise in regime change and nation-building.

Immediately after the 9/11 attacks I proposed that we issue letters of marque and reprisal to bring those responsible to justice. But such a limited and targeted response to the attack was ridiculed at the time. How could the US war machine and all its allied profiteers make their billions if we didn’t put on a massive war?

So who is to blame for the scenes from Afghanistan this weekend? There is plenty to go around.

Congress has kicked the can down the road for 20 years, continuing to fund the Afghan war long after even they understood that there was no point to the US occupation. There were some efforts by some Members to end the war, but most, on a bipartisan basis, just went along to get along.

The generals and other high-ranking military officers lied to their commander-in-chief and to the American people for years about progress in Afghanistan. The same is true for the US intelligence agencies. Unless there is a major purge of those who lied and misled, we can count on these disasters to continue until the last US dollar goes up in smoke.

The military industrial complex spent 20 years on the gravy train with the Afghanistan war. They built missiles, they built tanks, they built aircraft and helicopters. They hired armies of lobbyists and think tank writers to continue the lie that was making them rich. They wrapped their graft up in the American flag, but they are the opposite of patriots.

The mainstream media has uncritically repeated the propaganda of the military and political leaders about Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and all the other pointless US interventions. Many of these outlets are owned by defense industry-connected companies. The corruption is deep.

American citizens must also share some blame. Until more Americans rise up and demand a pro-America, non-interventionist foreign policy they will continue to get fleeced by war profiteers.

Political control in Afghanistan has returned to the people who fought against those they viewed as occupiers and for what they viewed as their homeland. That is the real lesson, but don’t expect it to be understood in Washington. War is too profitable and political leaders are too cowardly to go against the tide.

But the lesson is clear for anyone wishing to see it: the US global military empire is a grave threat to the United States and its future.
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The buck stops with me, but really blame that guy and that guy and those other guys over there.

All he's had to say is a prepared speech in which he claims to take responsibility then dishes it off to others. He's a moron way past his prime who should be nowhere near the White House except maybe for a visit. And that's coming out in spades at this point.
 
Ron Paul is absolutely right. Once Bin laden was killed, the mission was over. Time to leave.

Neither Obama nor Trump had the stomach to withdraw from Afghanistan and to face the consquences.

Chaos was inevitable from any withdrawal. That is why Obama and Trump passed the buck.

Biden is taking the heat now. It is what follows when you don't pass the buck.
 
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With so much topical content with regard to the recent pullout from Afghanistan, particularly the flow of pro-imperialist propaganda that seems to be following, a good dose of reality is likely in order.


Copyright © 2021 by RonPaul Institute. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit and a live link are given.


This weekend the US experienced another “Saigon moment,” this time in Afghanistan. After a 20 year war that drained trillions from Americans’ pockets, the capital of Afghanistan fell without a fight. The corrupt Potemkin regime that the US had been propping up for two decades and the Afghan military that we had spent billions training just melted away.

The rush is on now to find somebody to blame for the chaos in Afghanistan. Many of the “experts” doing the finger-pointing are the ones most to blame. Politicians and pundits who played cheerleader for this war for two decades are now rushing to blame President Biden for finally getting the US out. Where were they when succeeding presidents continued to add troops and expand the mission in Afghanistan?

The US war on Afghanistan was not lost yesterday in Kabul. It was lost the moment it shifted from a limited mission to apprehend those who planned the attack on 9/11 to an exercise in regime change and nation-building.

Immediately after the 9/11 attacks I proposed that we issue letters of marque and reprisal to bring those responsible to justice. But such a limited and targeted response to the attack was ridiculed at the time. How could the US war machine and all its allied profiteers make their billions if we didn’t put on a massive war?

So who is to blame for the scenes from Afghanistan this weekend? There is plenty to go around.

Congress has kicked the can down the road for 20 years, continuing to fund the Afghan war long after even they understood that there was no point to the US occupation. There were some efforts by some Members to end the war, but most, on a bipartisan basis, just went along to get along.

The generals and other high-ranking military officers lied to their commander-in-chief and to the American people for years about progress in Afghanistan. The same is true for the US intelligence agencies. Unless there is a major purge of those who lied and misled, we can count on these disasters to continue until the last US dollar goes up in smoke.

The military industrial complex spent 20 years on the gravy train with the Afghanistan war. They built missiles, they built tanks, they built aircraft and helicopters. They hired armies of lobbyists and think tank writers to continue the lie that was making them rich. They wrapped their graft up in the American flag, but they are the opposite of patriots.

The mainstream media has uncritically repeated the propaganda of the military and political leaders about Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and all the other pointless US interventions. Many of these outlets are owned by defense industry-connected companies. The corruption is deep.

American citizens must also share some blame. Until more Americans rise up and demand a pro-America, non-interventionist foreign policy they will continue to get fleeced by war profiteers.

Political control in Afghanistan has returned to the people who fought against those they viewed as occupiers and for what they viewed as their homeland. That is the real lesson, but don’t expect it to be understood in Washington. War is too profitable and political leaders are too cowardly to go against the tide.

But the lesson is clear for anyone wishing to see it: the US global military empire is a grave threat to the United States and its future.
I blame everyone. Republicans, Democrats, Corporations, The Military-Industrial Complex.
Bush (and Cheney) for starting it.
Obama and Trump for continuing it without a clear plan to end it (listening to the war hawks and the nation builders).
Biden for ending it sloppily....but with a caveat that the outcome was always inevitable.
 
So because Bush was awful Biden had to follow suit? Not his fault we are or were there but his fault on the optics of the awful withdrawal

Yes, every following President got stuck with Bush’s poor decisions. Trump wanted us out, Biden agreed.

There was never going to be a happy ending in Afghanistan.
Sometimes you gotta cut your losses
 
Ron Paul is absolutely right. Once Bin laden was killed, the mission was over. Time to leave.

Neither Obama nor Trump had the guts to withdraw from Afghanistan.

Biden did.

Chaos was inevitable from any withdrawal. That is why Obama and Trump passed the buck.

Biden is taking the heat now. It is what happens when you don't pass the buck.


Your post is garbage. To say that Trump didn't have the guts to withdraw from Afghanistan but Joe Dufus did is hogwash. Typical Moon Bat confusion.

Trump made the decision to do in a responsible manner. Joe Dufus fucked up that plan big time.

You also have to remember that Joe Dufus was part of the administration that escalated the war in Afghanistan.

A great time to have withdrawn troops and declare victory was when Bin Laden was killed but The Worthless Negro/Joe Dufus Administration didn't have the courage to do that, did they?

Joe Dufus fucked this up big time. No way are you stupid uneducated Moon Bats going to run away from this disaster.
 
Your post is garbage. To say that Trump didn't have the guts to withdraw from Afghanistan but Joe Dufus did is hogwash. Typical Moon Bat confusion.

Trump made the decision to do in a responsible manner. Joe Dufus fucked up that plan big time.

You also have to remember that Joe Dufus was part of the administration that escalated the war in Afghanistan.

A great time to have withdrawn troops and declare victory was when Bin Laden was killed but The Worthless Negro/Joe Dufus Administration didn't have the courage to do that, did they?

Joe Dufus fucked this up big time. No way are you stupid uneducated Moon Bats going to run away from this disaster.
Hey BooBoo...I wrote many time that Biden's exit from Afghanistan was a disaster. However, chaos would have ensued no matter who with was president at the time of our departure from Afghanistan. Trump did not have the guts to withdraw from Afghanistan when he was President. Biden did.
 
Hey BooBoo...I wrote many time that Biden's exit from Afghanistan was a disaster. However, chaos would have ensued no matter who with was president at the time of our departure from Afghanistan. Trump did not have the guts to withdraw from Afghanistan when he was President. Biden did.


You are still confused Moon Bat.

Trump had a reasonable plan that would have minimized the chaos.

Joe Dufus went on vacation.
 
You are still confused Moon Bat.

Trump had a reasonable plan that would have minimized the chaos.

Joe Dufus went on vacation.
Hey..Boob...Did Trump ever implement his "plan?" He had 4 years. He was all talk on Afghanistan.
 
Joe Dufus pulled off a miracle, equipping the Taliban with modern weaponry: from night vision, IR devices, to helicopters.

Scan Eagle drones (probably now on its way to China and Russia for disassembly)
22 x Super Tucano ground attack aircraft w/ GBU-58 Paveway II laser guided missiles
6 x MI24 Hind helicopters
11 x MD350F helicopters
35 x UH60 Blackhawks
76 x MI17 Hip transport helicopters
12 x Pilatus PC-12 planes
4 x C-130 Hercules
5 x Cessna Combat Caravan
44 x T-55/62 main battle tanks
1013 x Humvees/others
775 x M114A1 155mm/other artillery pieces
 
Your post is garbage. To say that Trump didn't have the guts to withdraw from Afghanistan but Joe Dufus did is hogwash. Typical Moon Bat confusion.

Trump made the decision to do in a responsible manner. Joe Dufus fucked up that plan big time.

You also have to remember that Joe Dufus was part of the administration that escalated the war in Afghanistan.

A great time to have withdrawn troops and declare victory was when Bin Laden was killed but The Worthless Negro/Joe Dufus Administration didn't have the courage to do that, did they?

Joe Dufus fucked this up big time. No way are you stupid uneducated Moon Bats going to run away from this disaster.
That assertion is 100% on the money. Trump DIDN'T have the guts to withdraw from Afghanistan. I think people told him how much of a cluster it would be and he pussied out.
So much for the buck stops here. :) Joe was just the seasoned old dog at the end of the shit line that decided to cut bait. But don't worry, I heap a healthy dose of disgust
on Obama for continuing the quagmire. But I reserve the most disdain for Bush and Cheney. I don't want to hear anything from those two. They're the ones that decide to go in the first place.
 

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