Just What is Libertarianism?

[bripat9643]

Republicans: "We believe in the freedoms and liberties that we approve of"
Democrats: "We believe in the freedoms and liberties that we approve of"
Libertarians: "We believe in freedom and liberty"

Libertarians, then, don't approve of other peoples ethical objection to child porn?

Libertarian support the freedom to own a gun for the purpose of shooting people in a authority acting in accordance with the law.

Seems like libertarians support the freedom to follow only the laws they agree with.

Can you quote any libertarian saying he approves of child porn?

Libertarians also don't approve of murder.

It appears you're an idiot who just makes stuff up.

 

[bripat9643]

Okay, over and over again, I'm reading articles attacking this political philosophy. Here's what Wiki says about it:


Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association and the primacy of individual judgement.


If this is the case, why should there be so many attacks against what is, to me, the very foundation of Americanism? Is it a growing dependence on government? An indoctrination in the education system against self-reliance?


And the left – and even some conservatives, are attacking Doctor Rand Paul for being a Libertarian running under a false flag. (I like some of his views, but still would vote for an governor over him)


What do you think?

The Dictionary definition doesn't not match today's American Libertarian, a party co-opted by far-righties both religious and non-religious.

Basically people who were pissed off at the Mainstream GOP looking for new brand, they stole the Libertarian brand.

Just what do you imagine libertarians believe?

 

[hazlnut]

Republicans: "We believe in the freedoms and liberties that we approve of"
Democrats: "We believe in the freedoms and liberties that we approve of"
Libertarians: "We believe in freedom and liberty"

Libertarians, then, don't approve of other peoples ethical objection to child porn?

Libertarian support the freedom to own a gun for the purpose of shooting people in a authority acting in accordance with the law.

Seems like libertarians support the freedom to follow only the laws they agree with.

Can you quote any libertarian saying he approves of child porn?

Libertarians also don't approve of murder.

It appears you're an idiot who just makes stuff up.

Please try not to loose the plot.

I was taking the quoted post to it's most logical conclusion.

If you just support freedom, personal freedom, and nothing else, then you support murder and child porn.

Try to keep up.

If you don't acknowledge the limits on freedom and "rights", then you're not really an American.

 

[hazlnut]

Okay, over and over again, I'm reading articles attacking this political philosophy. Here's what Wiki says about it:


Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association and the primacy of individual judgement.


If this is the case, why should there be so many attacks against what is, to me, the very foundation of Americanism? Is it a growing dependence on government? An indoctrination in the education system against self-reliance?


And the left – and even some conservatives, are attacking Doctor Rand Paul for being a Libertarian running under a false flag. (I like some of his views, but still would vote for an governor over him)


What do you think?

The Dictionary definition doesn't not match today's American Libertarian, a party co-opted by far-righties both religious and non-religious.

Basically people who were pissed off at the Mainstream GOP looking for new brand, they stole the Libertarian brand.

Just what do you imagine libertarians believe?

Which ones?

Old school Libertarians just wanted to legalize pot and have less gun regs.

Today's Libertarians are former far-righties running from the GOP brand.

 

[PredFan]

Republicans: "We believe in the freedoms and liberties that we approve of"
Democrats: "We believe in the freedoms and liberties that we approve of"
Libertarians: "We believe in freedom and liberty"

Libertarians, then, don't approve of other peoples ethical objection to child porn?

Libertarian support the freedom to own a gun for the purpose of shooting people in a authority acting in accordance with the law.

Seems like libertarians support the freedom to follow only the laws they agree with.

How do you live in a brain that small?

 

[PratchettFan]

If you judge American Libertarianism by the attitudes and comments of those who claim to be Libertarians it is not nearly so noble as the slate of beliefs on various websites. It is selfish, racist, corporatist and disdainful of civil rights.

You too.

Here, try this: Libertarianism Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy Yes, it's long and complicated.

Most people who rant wildly against libertarian principles do not have the faintest notion of what they are.

Libertarians have no idea who they are

Other than opposing anything they do not directly benefit from

It's nothing more than a cowardly way to be a republican voter but never having to defend them. Being on the defensive sucks, this way they never have to do anything but attack. Since no legislature in it's right mind will actually do any of the stuff they say they want they get to continually play the noble, lone defender of Americanism while refusing to meaningfully participate.

Libertarians wrap themselves in the concept that they are they only "true Americans"

Yet at no time in our history has anyone adopted their ideals

Libertarianism is as unnatural a system of governance and every bit as fraught with the peril of tyranny as communism. Both are built on dogma as to how they think people ought to act rather than working with how people actually are and what they expect from their society.

All political ideologies are unnatural. They are all based upon the notion that either human beings don't exist at all or that they will all work together in peace and love if you just create the right environment. So all political ideologies collapse in the application since human beings are going to act like human beings no matter what system you put them in.

 

[bripat9643]

Okay, over and over again, I'm reading articles attacking this political philosophy. Here's what Wiki says about it:


Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association and the primacy of individual judgement.


If this is the case, why should there be so many attacks against what is, to me, the very foundation of Americanism? Is it a growing dependence on government? An indoctrination in the education system against self-reliance?


And the left – and even some conservatives, are attacking Doctor Rand Paul for being a Libertarian running under a false flag. (I like some of his views, but still would vote for an governor over him)


What do you think?

The Dictionary definition doesn't not match today's American Libertarian, a party co-opted by far-righties both religious and non-religious.

Basically people who were pissed off at the Mainstream GOP looking for new brand, they stole the Libertarian brand.

Just what do you imagine libertarians believe?

Which ones?

Old school Libertarians just wanted to legalize pot and have less gun regs.

Today's Libertarians are former far-righties running from the GOP brand.

Wrong, there's no difference in the views of "old school" libertarians and current libertarians. They have always been "right-wing," from your perspective, that is.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

ALEC/Koch represent libertarians however they also represent fascist pigs,buying elections,subverted the republican party,killing public education,Medicare Insurance,Social Security Insurance,Medicaid,Food Stamps,Reducing Wages etc etc etc. And support outsourcing USA jobs. All of which is anti American.

Public education,Medicare Insurance,Social Security Insurance,Medicaid,Food Stamps etc etc etc are not free services by any stretch. Taxpayers pay for these services therefore should use them accordingly as necessary.

Which shows you don't know what "fascist" even means, and the term "Anti-American" means absolutely nothing. Oh, and nobody is saying people shouldn't use the crap they're forced to pay taxes on. They're going to loot you regardless so get as much utility out of them as you can I say.

 

[Contumacious]

Just What is Libertarianism?

It is that political philosophy which provokes the Department of Homeland INsecurity to come up with
Operation Jade Helm.

Those operations will end once all libertarians are in jail, dead or in concentration camps.


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[dblack]

There's plenty of grounds on which to criticize libertarians. But the silliness being trotted out lately speaks more to desperation and fear than any kind of meaningful critique. Works for me. It tells me we're on the right track.

 

[dblack]

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

When I was in high school we were still on step one.

 

[ralfy]

There's right and left:

Libertarianism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[bripat9643]

There's right and left:

Libertarianism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The term "left-libertarianism" is an oxymoron. You can't believe in socialism while at the same time believing in the the fundamental principle of libertarianism, which is the banning of the initiation of force from human affairs.

 

[bripat9643]

Republicans: "We believe in the freedoms and liberties that we approve of"
Democrats: "We believe in the freedoms and liberties that we approve of"
Libertarians: "We believe in freedom and liberty"

Libertarians, then, don't approve of other peoples ethical objection to child porn?

Libertarian support the freedom to own a gun for the purpose of shooting people in a authority acting in accordance with the law.

Seems like libertarians support the freedom to follow only the laws they agree with.

Can you quote any libertarian saying he approves of child porn?

Libertarians also don't approve of murder.

It appears you're an idiot who just makes stuff up.

Please try not to loose the plot.

I was taking the quoted post to it's most logical conclusion.

If you just support freedom, personal freedom, and nothing else, then you support murder and child porn.

Try to keep up.

No you don't, moron. Freedom means banning the initiation of force from human affairs. Murder is the initiation of force against an innocent person. Only a sleazy ignominious poltroon would claim that murder is consistent with libertarianism.

If you don't acknowledge the limits on freedom and "rights", then you're not really an American.

Freedom doesn't include murder, theft, assault or rape.

 

[rightwinger]

If Libertarians believe in the concept of "No harm, no foul" I am OK with it

Smoking a joint does not harm anyone.....leave it alone
Prostitution does not harm anyone.....leave it alone
Gays are not harming anyone.....leave them alone

But they go beyond that in a blind fanaticism that the founding fathers somehow knew everything this country would ever need

You know, the founders never supported welfare so we shouldn't do it


You know, the founders never said we should have healthcare, social security or schools....so we don't need them

As a broad philosophy, Libertarianism views are worth considering. But the movement has filled with whack jobs and haters who are little more than anarchists

"You know, the founders never supported welfare so we shouldn't do it"

Not at the Federal level, this is obviously something the founders had intended the various states to deal with. The constitution even states that any power not specifically delegated to the federal government is an issue to be dealt with by the states.

"You know, the founders never said we should have healthcare, social security or schools....so we don't need them"

Same as above, these issues are to be left to the various states to find the best solutions. ESPECIALLY education. That is a deeply local issue, how one educates ones child. The fact that there is a national agency to treat kids all across the land the same? Complete bureaucratic, corporate evil.


When you end your post with an ad hominem attack by saying, "the movement has filled with whack jobs and haters," you do yourself no favors. You only make them look quite good by comparing them to the most politically wise of all, anarchists. Remember, it's that State that is evil, not the individuals that question the wisdom of these bureaucratic monstrosities. Those individuals have learned from history, why haven't you?

The founders lived in a different era with a different concept of the role of government at different levels

They couldn't have had a strong federal government if they wanted to. The country was too big, too poor and communicationand movement between the states was tedious

The concept of public welfare has evolved since the 18th century. It was once the resposibility of local communities and churches. As our country grew to over 300 million people, local charity could no longer work

You haven't posted any evidence that local charities would no longer work. The claim is just one of the tenants of liberal orthodoxy. Neither have you presented any evidence that technological advances require the changes in government that we have suffered under.

Evidence that local charities don't work...

The Great Depression, Hurricane Katrina, Hurricane Sandy

If a family is destitute because the husband can no longer work, local charity can help
If every family in town is out of work, you need government to help

 

[freetek]

Libertarianism: I got mine, fuck the rest of you

No, I *worked* for mine, you?

 

[freetek]

Libertarianism: I got mine, fuck the rest of you

No, I worked for mine, you?

 

[bripat9643]

Libertarianism: I got mine, fuck the rest of you

No, I *worked* for mine, you?

The liberal equivalent is "gimme what you earned, or else."